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 judgedoug wrote:


Is shrink wrapping a valid complaint? It also didn't come with busty naked ladies damn you to hell palladium

That's not helping.

And it isn't particularly funny either.

Doubly bad.

Already stamped "NO DESSERT" on his I.D. card

I have also noticed the heel peg on the regult is a bit long.

 Manchu wrote:
I have also noticed the heel peg on the regult is a bit long.

Maybe to file down if basing the model?

Just clipping it off works fine. This just applies to one set of legs on the regult sprue btw.

 Manchu wrote:
Somehow, I had no trouble handling the contents of my box without breaking pieces off. And I have never heard the word "dumped" to describe sprues in a box before. As for quality, anyone who has seen the numerous pictures of sprues knows what to expect and has either made their peace with it or not. To my mind, the box contains no surprises.

Did they make sure to include a glass of PB brand Kool Aid along with everything else?

 stanman wrote:
Did they make sure to include a glass of PB brand Kool Aid along with everything else?

Come on, guys like you are obviously too smart for PB.

Yeah, we're not falling for that!

... again.

>.>

I just assembled a regult and I am filled with the same feeling I had when I first watched Robotech

Of course anything I will say will be dismissed as I am not toeing the party line

But I'm sorry to inform you all that I love these models. At least the regult so far. Gonna be damn easy to assembly line these suckers

What's funny is that everybody seems to love the Zentraedi stuff.

Nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to get some VT's or Destroids put together.

Love to see some folks put together one of each and report back. Loving a Battlepod seems to be par for the course.

I was planning on assembling some destroids, but decided to cut my teeth on the regults first (since there's a giant pile of them) in case the plastic was crap and I started breaking parts.

Thankfully it's a nice hard styrene (or ABS?) and my xacto z blade cut right through them. Plastruct plastic weld melts/bonds within seconds.

Gonna assemble some destroids tomorrow!

Overall my childhood fantasy of having real Robotech minis since I first played Battletech appears to have come true.

I assembled three regults tonight and it felt pretty easy by number three. I think I can built them faster than I figured from just looking at the sprue,

I kind of agree with Forar, at least regarding my own feelings -- I am a little antsy about diving into the Valks. I think I will focus on getting the Zents all built and painted so we can get to gaming faster.

Actually, in terms of size and part count, these remind me a lot of the Flames of War and Plastic Soldier Company plastics - somewhere inbetween a torso/arms/head/gun mini but nowhere near as bad as when I decided I wanted to assemble 1/72 armor.

Not sure about the previous soft detail complaint, there's tons of tiny details. Just grabbed the Phalanx sprue and it's got nice clear sharp details on the head, missiles, etc.

Thinking back to those terribad black/blue regults at Gencon for the demos, I can't even imagine how those were painted (maybe with $1 brushes?). The regult has lots of nice flat surfaces that look to be suuuuuper easy to paint.

They've said it's ABS. Far as I know, that hasn't changed.

And it's just weird. Every unboxing report I've seen has commented on how easy the Battlepods are to build. Like... intentionally or unintentionally, people just automatically end up working on those first.

Hell, I don't even really want to play the Z side and I might build a few of those first, get the rust off what meager building skills I do have.

But the RDF is what I want to play, and let me tell you, 20+ pieces on something an inch and change tall isn't making my trousers tight, if you know what I mean.

At least, coming from a Malifaux background where something that size would probably be, like, 3-6 pieces. Maybe 10-12'ish if it's particularly complicated or comes with its own scenery or something.

Hmm quick subjective reference, got a box of Bolt Action Blitzkrieg Germans here and they look to be the same quality, except the Robotech stuff is harder plastic. The Warlord plastics are definitely softer, brand new in box I'm looking at the sprues and there's already some white marks where the plastic has taken stress. I believe the Robotech plastics won't whiten/bend as easily, which is definitely a plus considering all the guns sticking out of everything.


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Assembling a Regult first was purely because there were so many. If I had like 24 Tomahawks I would have gone with those first. I was honestly trepidatious about assembling these figs so I went with the Regults in case they broke/assembly sucked/I stepped on it/etc.


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 Manchu wrote:
I assembled three regults tonight and it felt pretty easy by number three. I think I can built them faster than I figured from just looking at the sprue,

Yup, after the first couple it'll be a matter of 30 mins of clipping all parts from all the sprues into piles and scraping the mold lines (speaking of which, did you have any? I had almost none on my Regults, or at least that sprue I was working on) and then assembly-lining torso/torso to pelvis to leg/leg to foot/foot to thruster/thruster then the lasers and particle beams.

I've seen almost nothing of mold lines on them.

Yeah, RDF stuff might be mold lines, already put it away though.

For someone who had asked earlier, it appears that the retail box contains literally the retail stuff, including instructions in a mini-pamphlet for assembly of the items in the retail box alone.

However, the Battlecry minis bag contains what appears to be the expansion box retail inserts. There's a separate, zoomed in, large scale assembly diagram per mecha (or, in the case of Tomahawk/Defender and Phalanx/Spartan, one on each side). I personally referenced this much larger Regult assembly diagram versus the smaller one in the retail box. Additionally, the Battlecry bag contains the extra cards, shrinkwrapped, for the Battlecry specific mecha (such as Spartan/Phalanx, which are not in the retail box)


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Before I forget, I'd like to praise the decals sheets. They are really high quality and contain an absurd amount of options. The RDF sheet has at least 150 different number combinations so that you're pretty much guaranteed to never have a repeating numerical designation. The Zentraedi one appears to have a similar amount of options. Additionally, they have a thin plastic cover on them to protect them from damage.

However, in true PB fashion, there's a minor typo on the RDF sheet. Bonus points if you can find it!

Does anyone know know what the advanced VT's look like in battloid and guardian mode?

Is the box being apparently too large perhaps because it's intended to allow you to put assembled minis back in it?

(always an issue with board games that require assembly, and something I'd seen come up in a variety of KS comments)

rigeld2 wrote:
Random response to a data point - the sedition wars box I got from the KS was shrink wrapped, as was the post KS box I bought.

Yep, mine too


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 judgedoug wrote:
I just assembled a regult and I am filled with the same feeling I had when I first watched Robotech

Of course anything I will say will be dismissed as I am not toeing the party line

But I'm sorry to inform you all that I love these models. At least the regult so far. Gonna be damn easy to assembly line these suckers

I'm pretty hopeful for the zent stuff, particularly the regults. How difficult do you thing they'd be to recut/repose the legs? Do the regular plastic cement melts it? I understand ABS doesn't work too well with the regular poli cement...

well so far from what i'm hearing it is what I was expecting with the regult pods being easy and good quality, also hearing other places of damaged boxes and product, which will not bode well, from what I heard the damaged product was a PB issue with the lack of proper packing used (seriously did they use just brown paper?).


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 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.


Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

Asterios wrote:
well so far from what i'm hearing it is what I was expecting with the regult pods being easy and good quality, also hearing other places of damaged boxes and product, which will not bode well, from what I heard the damaged product was a PB issue with the lack of proper packing used (seriously did they use just brown paper?).


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 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

Not unexpected from you Rick

Tangled stuff IS not the same as broken. It is what it is.

He did not degrade other experiences only clarify that the complaint was not over broken parts but tangled ones before people make assumptions as you have.

Again you ASSUME that 2 different studios worked on the minis based on looks. You have no proof either way. The fact that the Ninjas posted a blog of someone putting together some Valkyries does not add anything to your claim.

What your consider good quality and are willing to accept does not mean we all are held or hold the same standard.

So now we also magically have better quality sprues in the main box then what the rest is?

Your "facts" are getting flimsier and flimsier with time.....How many careers and titles and do you hold now? You saw things a mile off but yet you still put over $700 or whatever it was into the project....interesting.

Asterios wrote:
I'm curious why you degrade others experiances

I am sick to the back teeth of folks bending over backwards to say something bad about this product. Complaining that the sprues are "just dumped in the box" is meaningless nonsense.

Asterios wrote:
or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised?

What exactly is "a lot less than promised" about anything that just arrived?

Asterios wrote:
out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

(1) That sounds like more bull gak. If the game box is "too big" and the sprues are "just dumped in" then why would it matter if I only got the base set? (2) I pledged for Battle Cry so I got a big shipping box with a "round one" sprue bag and the main box.

Asterios wrote:
Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

Spreading lies like this is really despicable. In fact, here's what Bad_Syntax himself wrote in his YT comments regarding the broken piece:

I had already "unboxed" it half a dozen times, carried it through gencon, carried it through an airport, and so forth. I'd suspect I did it during one of those events, as nothing else was broken.

Besides, you get 3 full sets of missile types for every unit, 1 broke here and there of those won't matter (kinda like the VF heads).

Asterios wrote:

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

I have zero broken or bent parts after my sprue inspection. I have no doubt that others might not be so lucky, but the fact is that the ABS plastic being used is very strong, stronger than Warlord and GW's polystyrene. They are an order of magnitude stronger than the last few 1/35 and 1/72 model kits I've assembled from a variety of manufacturers. The strength _might_, in the long term, prove to be more brittle than the softer polystyrene, but I personally would rather have a clean break that can be pinned versus bent polystyrene (of which I have too many bent plastic rifles, spears, swords, pikes from GW and Warlord models especially pike & shotte dudes... and bent polystyrene will never ever become straight again)

As I mentioned previously, the sprues and plastics are very reminiscent of Plastic Soldier Company and Battlefront Flames of War in terms of part count and complexity. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it turned out it was the same manufacturer.

Manchu got a Battlecry, as did I, so the package contained 1x retail game box (with all retail components inside said box), and then a large separate bag labeled "Battlecry Phase One" that contained a giiaaannntttt pile of sprues, cards, bases, assembly sheets, etc.

The Zentraedi mecha and the RDF mecha are very obviously from the same design studio. I'm not sure what you mean that the "styles" are different. The same sprue cutting design aesthetic is used, but other than that, the aesthetic styles are indeed different - the RDF mecha are designed by humans, the Zentraedi mecha are designed by an alien race (the Zentraedi). All were designed by Shoji Kawamori.

Actually now that I've gotten my pledge, assembled some Regults, looked at all the components, flicked the the physical rulebook, had a good night's sleep, woken up, looked at the stuff some more, and now I'm at work, I can honestly say I am really very, very happy that I backed this Kickstarter and I'm really, really very antsy to get home to assemble more. I'm considering taking a sick day on Friday just so I can get some painting done.

As a totally subjective review, my older brother (who is kind of a minor Robotech fan, has seen it fully at least once) had a look at everything last night and thought everything looked "fantastic" and loved the Regult I had built. He has only dimly been aware of the Kickstarter's progress.


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 Albertorius wrote:

I'm pretty hopeful for the zent stuff, particularly the regults. How difficult do you thing they'd be to recut/repose the legs? Do the regular plastic cement melts it? I understand ABS doesn't work too well with the regular poli cement...

I use Plastruct Plastic Weld - comes in a glass container with a brush-on applicator - best glue I've ever used. Dries in a few seconds and bonds ABS, polystyrene, and many other plastics. Only about $5 from Hobbytown or from various online places. Took seconds to melt/glue the Regult, and you have a few minutes after that if you change your mind about a position, before the plastic really starts melting together (as I did last night when I had to reposition my Regult's legs about 15 degrees forward)


Quote from Plastruct: "PLASTIC WELD CEMENT
Instantly tacky. Sets in minutes - bonds permanently overnight. Economical to use. Special formulation dissolves a thin layer of each surface to be joined. It evaporates quickly and forms a welded joint; one as strong as the surrounding plastic. Apply with a small brush or blunted syringe-type applicator. Capillary action will spread it the length and breadth of the joint for a continuous solid weld. Plastic Weld works on most dissimilar Styrene, Butryrate, ABS and Acrylic applications."

Oh god, everyone you showed it to loved it, Kevin was right!

Asterios wrote:
well so far from what i'm hearing it is what I was expecting with the regult pods being easy and good quality, also hearing other places of damaged boxes and product, which will not bode well, from what I heard the damaged product was a PB issue with the lack of proper packing used (seriously did they use just brown paper?).

It's the same compressed brown paper used for packing when I order from Warlord Games (shipped from the UK) and from when I order from Miniature Market. I would say neither of these companies are a slouch. Additionally, I reuse said compressed brown paper when I sell stuff, and I have 787 positive feedback 100% on ebay. I do not believe that the packaging material is perfectly acceptable for two very large companies as well as myself to ship miniatures would suddenly by unacceptable for another company to use to ship miniatures.

I used:



Worked great for me.

Joyboozer wrote:
Oh god, everyone you showed it to loved it, Kevin was right!

One out of one, certainly. There will be a flurry of additional opinions by Saturday when our gaming group meets up and everyone (most have no idea what Robotech is) get eyes-on the models.
Again, as I said, subjective. Suuubbbjeecctttiiivvveeee.

So, back to my question about the cards, do we write on them and wipe it off?

Joyboozer wrote:
So, back to my question about the cards, do we write on them and wipe it off?

I'm really sorry, I forgot to check. I'll be home in about 8 hours if no one else has answered that question. Mine are still in the shrinkwrap.

Though I have to be careful... I own two types of dry erase markers and one type was pretty damn permanent on some Warmachine cards a couple weeks ago :(