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Thanks Talisvar!

Hopefully these answers will help you out!


1) Is there one leg assembly and then the option for "warhammer" or "rifleman" torso? I may have missed this being answered earlier. If there are options, magnets at the waist may be easily doable?

To add on to what Judgedoug said, the Warhammer and Rifleman will be on completely different sprues, 2 warhammers on one and 2 rifelmen on a different one.

2) For shoulder and hip assemblies, do you think they would benefit from "pinning"? I hate weak joins (why I am hunting down glue that welds) so some strengthening may be in order.

Depending on the mini, pinning could definitely help. of the 2 I've reviewed so far, the Rifleman could benefit from at waist and shoulder; the plugs are a bit shallow. I don't know that it will be needed, but it won't hurt.

3) Considering size and detail, would you recommend certain parts of assembly being kept separate for painting or all together should work out? (From the photos I would figure all one piece should work).

For the Spartan/Archer and the Rifleman, I think you could paint it as a single piece without too much difficulty. You might want to consider painting the bottom of the Spartan/Archer's feet before putting it on a base however. (They're arched, so you'll seen them even when based.)

4) Any areas to look out for when clipping off the sprue? (Like the dreaded "cut the wrong part first and the other section snaps off...).

Ok , figured out how to change pic names in Google. Things should have a description now even if the description is short.

Hey all! Today’s review is the Veritech Fighter mode.

A quick caveat to all this: The flight stand won’t have any bearing on the final grade. I used it this time to see how it works and review it, and I’ll definitely be covering it, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge it as part of this particular model when despite their differences between minis they’re basically a product wide choice. The review is a little shorter this time as it’s a much simpler and easier model, and as always you can skip ahead to the end verdict and highlights if needed.

This will probably be the easiest RDF mini you build, and certainly the fastest on average! Provided you do it all in a certain order. The instructions don’t show any order to it, so I’ve gone over it in the build section. Follow that path and you should be just fine.

THE BUILD:

The main fuselage goes right together and it’s your starting point, but it’s a little bit of a loose fit where the wings plug in. Thankfully, once plugged in the wings fix this issue, and you can’t see it. Do take some care to line the wings up straight and level though. From here, assemble (if needed) and glue the head/lasers on underneath. Most of the head choices are single pieces, but for this I went with the quad, and you will have to glue that version's lasers to the head. Be warned, this part is extremely small and fiddly. Annoyingly so. It will attach to fuselage very well though, and the majority you build will be the basic one piece head which will be easier. Next, attach the Gun Pod in the center. It attaches from the gungrip, and it’s a good fit. As you can see, it will want to angle downward at the front, because of the slight angle of the undercarriage and one of the gun fins will also direct it that way. I don’t mind that so much on this on visually, but you may consider cutting that fin off the gun pod to secure a tighter fit to the main body. It’s very important that you put the Head/Lasers part on first, BEFORE the gun pod. If you put the gun pod on first, you will not be able to put the head/laser unit on. After that, the legs/engines should be assembled and then attached to the body. The legs/engines themselves could go together better and join the seam club, but at least they fit very snug to the body. (Side note, take a quick look at the instructions to make sure they’re right side up.) Finally, attach the tail fins. These don’t have a very strict fit or obvious attachment point. You can see how they’re supposed to attach, but it’s less plug and play and more hold it at your desired angle until the glue dries. I didn’t use any of the missile options yet, but you can attach those after assembly quite easily.

And now the flight stand. Ugh. The flight stands are ugly, especially in brown. I’ll suggest some ideas/alternatives for them below, but first the physical part. It’s pretty thin, and tapers from bottom to top. The bottom where it attaches to the base is narrow enough, but the connection to model is precarious as all hell. There’s a tiny slot at the top that attaches to the gun barrel, and it won’t take much effort at all to break that. A little downward force and it’ll snap right at that joint. And I’m saying this because mine did just that. I’m hoping the others are better. If you’re up for it, I’d suggest finding an alternative stand of your choice. Many other companies make clear flight stands, but these would require some light drilling into the base and mini both to use. If you are going to use the swoosh flight stand supplied on the sprue, be careful. Also, if you do use them and you’re painting your minis, you’ll need to consider what to paint them. If you’re not painting the base, I’d simply paint them black. Or you could also use them as a way to tell which of your squads is which. (I.E. Squad one could all have blue stands, squad 2 all red, etc.) This lets you keep some kind of squad consistency without them all having to have the same paint job.

Detail wise, I have no particular issues; it looks pretty much right and it’s much sharper than the pictures we’ve seen suggested. At this point I really believe the brown plastic just photographs ugly. Looking at it top down, you can see a lot of good detail. The wings look a little thick and flat on the front edge, but not all that bad. It’s something that’s magnified in the pictures, but better in person. There's also a small seam issue running down the center of the nose.

THE GOOD THINGS: A lot of good detail can be found here, and the mini goes together very easily once you know the order. There’s lots of good extras in the form of the missile options and head/laser options. Also, this is the first RDF mini that didn’t feel like it had too many parts. It does look pretty cool, even downright badass from the front. I may or may not have flown it around the room making engine noises.

THE BAD THINGS: Some of the connections are not intuitive and a little loose and require some fitting or adjusting on your part. Gorram those head/laser units are tiny…prepare to get glue on your fingers. Finally, I forsee a lot of broken flight stands in the future.

Final Verdict: B+ Piece count is way down, and easy build. Very cool looking, but needed some final polish and attention to detail to put it over the top. Still, once it’s built, it’s fun and does look pretty cool.

Next up: Recovery Pod!

Looking at what has been coming with Wave 1 shipment for Battle Cry which looks something like:

1 Core Box +
- 2x Veritech (each mode)
- 2x Spartan Destroid
- 2x Phalanx Destroid
- 4x Destroid
- 1x Glaug Battlepod
- 2x Quiel-Regult
- 4x Artillery Battlepod
- 6x Regult Battlepod

If that correct? It seems like it would be better to wait until retail and get 2 Core Boxes, Artilery Battlepod, Spartan, Destroid Pack for $220-$230 if you are just looking at Wave 1 and don't mind waiting longer.

You're missing some.

Wave One of a BC is;

Core box (5 VTs, an extra Battloid, 2 Defenders, 2 Tomahawks, 12 Battlepods, 1 Officer's Pod, 1 Recovery Pod, 1 Recon pod)

4 more VTs
2 Spartans, 2 Phalanx
12 more Battlepods
1 more command pack (1 each Officer's Pod, Recon, Recovery)
4 Artillery/Support Pods.

A BC is in total 97 figures, with Wave 1 accounting for 70 of them. The remaining 27 will be delivered roughly *insert date here*.

MSRP of a BC's wave one is around $350 or so, meaning even at 25-40% off, a BC was well worth what we paid for it (assuming one actually wants ALL the models), and wave 2 is basically 'profit' above and beyond that.

Wave 1
Veritechs 9
Battlepods 24
Glaug 2
Tomahawks 2
Defenders 2
Scout Pods 2
Spartan 2
Phalanx 2
Artillery Pods 4
Recovery Pods 2
69

Wave 2
Rick 1
Roy 1
Khyron 1
Miriya 1
Gnerls 3
Male Power Armor 3
Super VT's 2
Female Power Armor 3
Lancer II 2
Ghost Fighters 2
96 Total

This might help

70/97, Mike.

You're forgetting the extra Battloid.

Edit: not that I expect many people to care much about one extra Battloid. Personally I'm thinking I'll cut mine up/damage them for objective markers.

Point Forar!

Great. That helps out a lot to get a baseline for everything.

So pledge tab is where you put what you got.

Zen is where you choose what forces you will have. I assumed normal Artillery Pods and Regults as having interchangeable top parts. Khyron and Miriya are simply added to the Total # of Glaugs and Female Power Armor.

Copy and Paste the first 3 columns on the Zen tab to the Zen Colors worksheet once you decide on how you want your minis organized. Then you can place pics with the colors to the right to keep you on track.


Rinse and repeat with the UEDF and UEDF Colors tabs. The Squad Orgs simply tells you what units are in what types of squadrons and helps you calculate the stuff on the Zen and UEDF tabs.

Oh nice. I didn't know you we're making a force organization tool.

Thanks, that'll be helpful.

Oh, btw, is the "you may never have more than two S type VTs still 'a thing' in the rules?

Don't think the more than one VF-1S is an issue. I don't remember it being in the rules. Now VF-1J's ONLY come with a squadron so I did mention that oversight to PB a while back and wound up making my own VF-1J support cards. That way in a skirmish game you can take one VF-1J and a Valk Wing.....Vermillion anyone?

Did PB keep LOS as is, with the middle of the model being in sight?

Mike, did you get 3 boxed games in a Showdown or did you already have a 3rd box?

I'm pretty sure he said he ordered a Showdown and an extra BC.

Still weird (and ridiculous for shipping) that there wasn't simply a 3 box tier. (edit: for clarity; because of that, it cost more to ship 3 boxes than it did 4. That's just strange.)

Far as I know, BS was the only one to be given a box up front, and that was of the three they brought with them to Gencon.

I ordered a SD + a BC but the pledge was a SD

Still no email from PB. :(

Yeah, I keep looking at 9 Valks and thinking that's not enough. Then I remember that I'm getting a showdown. THen I think 9 more would be a nice Carrier Air wing and a couple of spares to crash.

Well, the 'standard' recommended game at 300 points can fit a max of three Squads (240 points) and two 1S VT Special cards, for a total of 14 VTs.

Granted, one could paint up dozens in different pairs or quartets or full 9 VT sets (Squad, 2 Supports, one S), but unless playing larger games (and yes, many people are excited by the idea of having giant waves of stuff on the table at once), a Showdown covers off what can be fielded pretty well.

Remember, with Wave 2 you'll at least be getting Rick and Roy, plus a pair of Super VTs, bumping that number up a bit higher (though that'll be... quite a while away).

But yeah, 9 is a bit of a short load. On the up side, $70 or so for another Core set would bump you up to 14 (coincidence? I think not!) and give you more Destroids, Battlepods and Command Pods to work with. And if you're not interested in playing Zentraedi, hopefully there'll be some cost effective secondary market buys to snag to help round out your flight numbers.

For those who haven't seen, the Palladium Weekly Update is out.

Robotech® RPG Tactics™

We are delighted to be shipping product. Something like a dozen local Kickstarter backers have swung by the office to pick up their packages. Joe in Clawson picked his up just this morning. Most who do have also gotten a chance to see what the game pieces look like built and painted, and are quite excited to start building their own. Nice.

We welcome those of you in the area to swing on over to pick up your Wave One Kickstarter items. We will be working away throughout the weekends, so you can pick up your RRPGT package between 10:00 AM and 6:00 PM Saturday and Sunday. HOWEVER, please call first (734-721-2903)! We need to find, pull and gather your rewards so it is properly invoiced for our records and waiting for you when you arrive. Thank you. If you just show up out of the blue, you will NOT be able to get your RRPGT items. It must be part of a batch for shipping and inventory purposes.

FYI: In order to speed up our shipping processes and get as many packages out as quickly as we can, we are shipping in groups of like combinations (one or two items, prints only, etc.), with the largest batches of identical orders first. So right now we are shipping Battle Cry rewards, next will be Showdown, followed by Reckless and so on. We are shipping domestic orders/USA first because they are much faster to process (no Customs documentation to fill out for each package), and then Canada and overseas. We anticipate all Wave One Kickstarter rewards to have left the Palladium warehouse by the end of October. Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products should appear in stores before Thanksgiving.

Container #3 for Robotech® RPG Tactics™ remains stranded in port, waiting to be placed on a damn truck and shipped to Palladium. The problem is that the terminal is congested, over-booked and short on trailer chassis, so we are stuck in limbo. Container #4 has arrived at a different terminal and is likely to arrive at the same time or even BEFORE Container #3. How crazy is that. And frustrating as hell. At this point, all we can do is take things in stride and deal with it as best we can. We are poised to ship like demons as soon as either one of those containers arrives.

Container #4 is in port and should be put on rail by early next week and sent on its way to us. Container #5 is at sea, and Containers #6 and #7 are at the port in China, about to be loaded on their ship.

So, the salient points I see, are

1) If you're local, you can jump the queue. No real problem with that. But given how friendly and accomodating they are (by all reports, something they're good at), how much time is that taking from the shipping/other duties. A quarter hour meet and greet is one thing. A hour long tour and discussion, is another.
2) Seriously? They're still sending out "prints only" packs? The crap that could have been sent out literally a year ago?
3) EU was always going to be last. Now we know RoW is last too. Was expected, except as it relates to point 7.
4) Mike, looks like you were an exception. I'm OK with that, but it's written there "next WILL be Showdown". Indicating they haven't started on those for the rank and file yet.
5) They anticipated shipping 1000 by the end of this week (10 calendar days). They don't update us on hitting that milestone. They anticipate sending another 3500 in the next 20 calendar days, including the more difficult "Customs required" stuff. Depending on how many EU ones there are, and how they organize collation (are they going to be individually boxed, just requiring a shipping label, or is the consignment place going to pack the orders themselves?), that could take a little bit of time off, I guess. Still, not looking good for their estimate.
6) Still no real confirmation about their EU shipping partner. Sure, they could have everything ironed out, contracts locked, and the staff waiting to get cracking. Or, it could still be up in the air, because heck, it's still Palladium.
7) In stores November. So they have finally abandoned their previous statement that "backers get theirs first" to "backers get sent theirs first, but retailers will have it up for direct sale well before then". Because if RoW is left until last, Australians and EUians will likely be able to get it from US retailers before it arrives from PB. For Aussies, I believe PB are using USPS, and I can't see them paying for the faster service. And for EUians, because the container will probably take a good 4-6 weeks from the "end of the month", putting it into early/mid December.
8) Container 3 is delayed. Bwahaha! So, that's 3 for 3. Karma sure is bitchy. Of course, they have high hopes for C#4. How crazy is that? About as crazy as their original estimations on shipping. Exactly that amount of crazy. But delays like this, and they're still confidant that it'll all be done in 20 days? Given that the next container is at least a week out, assuming NO FURTHER ISSUES. Optimism is good. Overoptimism and setting up expectations, ain't.
9) So they're "poised to ship like demons" when it arrives. So, does that mean they've been taking it easy so far?

All of this will likely be copy/pasted into a KS Update in the next day or so, so that, you know, Backers can be "informed".

Speaking of copy/paste, from later in the Update...
"Retail Release Date: In stores September, 2014."

Great proofreading again, there, guys. At least they realized it on their WebStore, and removed the date. Probably because some poor sap tried to order it (it being available from September), and them realizing the mistake after the fact.

With wayne out for the weekend does anyone else know how to use a computer? Print a UPS label? update addresses?

So dudes (and dudettes) who have the minis, would you recommend the game (and minis) as a pick-up for some friends that like Robotech and have been on the fence about this?
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In other words, is it worth it for me and some peeps at my locals?

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
So dudes (and dudettes) who have the minis, would you recommend the game (and minis) as a pick-up for some friends that like Robotech and have been on the fence about this?
In other words, is it worth it for me and some peeps at my locals?

The 40k players also wanna know...

But I am a 40k playa. Been playing templars since 3rd ed.

I played Battletech since '88 and up to 96-97 or when RalPartha lost the lawsuit and WizKids took to Dark/Mechwarrior......always love the Mech's and kept them alland even over time I expanded on the Regiment and Galaxy. I am semi retiring 40K and I've a huge collection of 40K but ROBOTECH!!! I grew up on this cartoon!!!....


Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service. Once a container arrives at the port there are documentation (also inputted into (TCAIMS) who to contact for pick up after it passes customs (from what I read on the first screw up when the containers arrive was a copy right issue "flag"). They're coordinating after being informed of its arrival instead of coordinating before it arrives. Its costing them more money for a holding/storage fee until removal

 Jihadin wrote:
I played Battletech since '88 and up to 96-97 or when RalPartha lost the lawsuit and WizKids took to Dark/Mechwarrior......always love the Mech's and kept them alland even over time I expanded on the Regiment and Galaxy. I am semi retiring 40K and I've a huge collection of 40K but ROBOTECH!!! I grew up on this cartoon!!!....


Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service. Once a container arrives at the port there are documentation (also inputted into (TCAIMS) who to contact for pick up after it passes customs (from what I read on the first screw up when the containers arrive was a copy right issue "flag"). They're coordinating after being informed of its arrival instead of coordinating before it arrives. Its costing them more money for a holding/storage fee until removal

Yeah, that makes sense to me. It's almost as if they think moving a container is as easy as calling UPS for pickup. "Hey I got this container that is at the Port of LA can you pick it up today? No? how about tomorrow? No? How about...

I just bought 2 storm claw boxes over the summer. Becasue you can never have too many orks or marines even if they don't have all their shots. I never cared for any of the figures of any mech game. They all seemed blocky and crude. Of course it was hard to live up to the artwork of the unseen. I did like RP's Battlemaster. Thier AD&D line is still some of the best fantasy figures I've seen. I did do Robotech RPG for a while in the 90s. Wish I had minis for that back then.

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

Every container that comes in has its on serial number plus an RFID tag and inputted in a computer program that tracks containers of a regualr small conex to a 20 ft conex to a 40ft container conex. Its like transferring a hand reciept of an item by each "stops" it makes. The Inventory invoice number is matched with the container number.

Example

40 foot container arrives with serial number WTH174B26 and the "Inventory Sheet Number for container WTH174B26" is glued/taped/welded/spray painted on the container itself. Plus the RFID Tag will correspond with the container, inventory, and in TCAIMS/Port Entry Port Exit Container tracker" Bah it looks like this



Pull up the TCN number


From there you can find


Which would contain the POC and destination of cargo

All one has to do is provide in a nut shell
Example given
W9JA310031AMC36A01

That set of numbers there will bring up everything there is required for transportation, customs, and POC
Customs is up to 8 forms with a container of this type. One of the big "flags" from good coming from Japan and South Korea is Copy Right type of merchandise. Harmony Gold would have given a memo with a stamp of approval per TCN number per container

So if four Container it would look like
W9JA310031AMC36A01
W9JA310031AMC36A02
W9JA310031AMC36A03
W9JA310031AMC36A04

Each with its own set of documents relating to the TCN number........now who did I confuse lol




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 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

Who didn't see them shipping to retailers before every backer got theirs coming? I'd hate to call Kevin a filthy dirty liar because I feel it's unfair to the other filthy dirty liars, but I don't think there's any adjectives present in modern day language that can be used to adequately describe him.