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Sining wrote:
Who didn't see them shipping to retailers before every backer got theirs coming? I'd hate to call Kevin a filthy dirty liar because I feel it's unfair to the other filthy dirty liars, but I don't think there's any adjectives present in modern day language that can be used to adequately describe him.

Priority is to the one's who made the Pledge to kick this off. Its OWED to them (Pledgers) to get their stuff first since they funded the entire program. Though I am wondering now how many "containers" of merchandise are coming to get it to the retailers

Are we still doing the numbers thing? I backed a Showdown plus extras, backer #5679 and backer kit #796 and I'm not expecting to see any of my stuff before 2015

 Jihadin wrote:

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

What I meant was that Palladium dont own their own trucks so instead of palladium being in contact with the dock for updates on 1 container (at a time) and also in contact with a freight company to use a single truck they would use a freight forwarding company that is in liason with 100's of customers and dealing with freight companies supplying trucks to deliver the containers.

That way the freight forwarding company says X customers container is ready at 2pm, Y at 2:10, Z at 2:20, suddenly X container is flagged for customs inspection then the freight company just shifts its trucks slightly to accomodate (the common) re-jigging of containers.

If it was done on an individual basis then the driver gets back in his truck, radio's the control room and says 'no container today' and then has to be allocated by the company as required which is horribly inefficient especially when the container is released by customs and palladium calls the freight company to get a truck and the company says 'well, pretty booked out, how about next wednesday' which incurs container storage costs (as you mention) and increases the delays.

Incidently this is what I didnt understand about the Mercs Myth KS, they mention that the container sat on the dock for around 10(i think) days as they tried to find a driver/truck to deliver it. I didnt really understand why as a freight forwarding company (if used) should have been all over it.

I dunno, maybe the US docks work differently to here

NTRabbit wrote:
Are we still doing the numbers thing? I backed a Showdown plus extras, backer #5679 and backer kit #796 and I'm not expecting to see any of my stuff before 2015

Hell, I'm at KS# 31 and BK# 308 and I'm beginning to think I won't see mine until then either.

November is definitely looking iffy at this rate, and with the holiday shipping snarls and the holidays, a few weeks of delays could happen without much trouble at all.

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

What I meant was that Palladium dont own their own trucks so instead of palladium being in contact with the dock for updates on 1 container (at a time) and also in contact with a freight company to use a single truck they would use a freight forwarding company that is in liason with 100's of customers and dealing with freight companies supplying trucks to deliver the containers.

That way the freight forwarding company says X customers container is ready at 2pm, Y at 2:10, Z at 2:20, suddenly X container is flagged for customs inspection then the freight company just shifts its trucks slightly to accomodate (the common) re-jigging of containers.

If it was done on an individual basis then the driver gets back in his truck, radio's the control room and says 'no container today' and then has to be allocated by the company as required which is horribly inefficient especially when the container is released by customs and palladium calls the freight company to get a truck and the company says 'well, pretty booked out, how about next wednesday' which incurs container storage costs (as you mention) and increases the delays.

Incidently this is what I didnt understand about the Mercs Myth KS, they mention that the container sat on the dock for around 10(i think) days as they tried to find a driver/truck to deliver it. I didnt really understand why as a freight forwarding company (if used) should have been all over it.

I dunno, maybe the US docks work differently to here

That's 10 days worth of profit for the container yard
HEHE anyone mention that on their customer complaint form like "Get a Movement Coordinator"

At this point, it seems like my pledge level is meaningless and my pledge number means nothing (don't remember what it was and can't find it anywhere on the Backer sight...). Stuff has been divided into waves, the box set contents has changed (hasn't it?Or what? I have no idea), and there is stuff that isn't out yet until like Wave 3-4.

In other words, I have a long list of stuff that's supposedly coming to me, but I have no idea in how many "Waves" or what exactly, I'm supposed to be getting in my first "shipment". Or, even better yet as I added on a MK-III Monster, YF-4 Valkyrie, and SDF-1, will I even get an an initial shipment of anything or will I have to wait until they make/ship my add-ons? Horribly frustrating.

I just can't believe that those that basically spent the least, that didn't have any "add-on's" are getting their stuff first. This whole Kickstarter... just boggles the mind.

Disagree. Pledge level matters in that if you have a Battle Cry coming, you should get your stuff before someone with a Showdown, for example. Being in the US means getting it before those outside the US. And "Wave 2 add ons" like a MAC-II or SDF-1 shouldn't influence your order, unless they were absolutely idiotic and counted said add ons against... wait, sorry, for a second I forgot who we are dealing with here.

But seriously, it could be worse. If you're in for a BC, *hopefully* yours will be in the mail in the next week or two.

As opposed to being a Canadian with 8 BC's coming to my friends and I, where I'm not confident I'll see it in November, or perhaps even in 2014.

I do not think the "owners" are experience in this type of business. Logistic wise (including customer service turn around time; if someone understands the reference I am making on them)

Wave 2 Addons don't seem to effect anything, as I should have an SDF-1 showing up sometime in the next 6 years.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Wave 2 Addons don't seem to effect anything, as I should have an SDF-1 showing up sometime in the next 6 years.

That with or without beer math?

Hell, that might be outright optimism.

But don't worry, everyone loves the sculpt and mouths watered so hard that they had to get a mop and bucket to clean up the mess.

I don't really expect to see anything coming my way until well into 2015.

Unless I buy stuff from a store, of course >_>.

Posted some Hi-Res unboxing pics out in the sunlight.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vNnB4UWlYZEJfcU0&usp=sharing


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Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

Test sprues, or it didn't happen.

Sorry, after all the bulldrek over the initial 18 months, I (and undoubtedly more people) will find it hard to take a statement with regards to "It's almost done" as anything more than satirical performance art. They can say how "done" miniatures are until they're blue in the face. No pictures? Never happened.

I'm with Morgan here. They have somewhere around twice as many sprues in W2 as they did in W1, which means around twice as much work checking, rechecking, mold cutting, etc.

It took them 15 months to go from Funded to product almost making it to Gencon, for just the first 1/3 or so of the sprues.

Even knowing that some work was done for some of W2 (before they focused on W1 at all and still thought they were going to somehow deliver in December or January for ALL of it), doing twice the work in half the time seems unlikely.

Someone presumably learned something somewhere along the way, but not enough to quadruple their efficiency.

I reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised at this point, but they've long lost the benefit of the doubt.

Very literally; (test sprue) pics or it didn't happen.

Per Josh Sissom on the Facebook Page
Working on my first set of models for the game. "Regault Attack Squadron" (80pts). 9x Regualts and 1 Glaug. Upgrade the Glaug to the Zentraedi Special Character "Grell" (5pts), and the Regaults to "Veterans Warriors" (20pts). Add a "Quel-Gulnau" Recovery Pod (10pts). Total Squad cost is 115pts for 11 Models. I think I am going to do two small 115pt armies to use to learn the game and let others play. The UEDF will be 5 Valkyries. Should be easy to paint with only a few models. I am going to paint these guys in a traditional theme, and do bases that look like broken up roads. I also replaced the thick standard flight stands with smaller dowels. I am going to airbrush on the white base coats over a few layers of grey/black, then brush in the details and paint the bases. I am thinking of putting a light layer of gloss varnish over the models on they are airbrushed so they have a little bit of a shine to them. I have done it with success to alot of warhammer models. More to come... I hope to have all of the Zentraedi painted by next weekend and the UEDF at least assembled so I can get in some games. I got these models in on the 6th, but I was back and forth on if I was going to play or not. After looking through the rule book, I am excited again for the game. Looks like it could be decent. The models I don't use as part of the two armies, I think I am going to throw eBay. I think I have too much stuff with the Starter Box and Wave 1 models.
Also, should be worth mentioning the model quality. They are actually better than I expected. The small bits are fragile, but they are thick enough that they are ok. They seemed to cast them a little thicker which made them stronger. The only thing that I dont like was the thrusters on the back of the officer pod. They put the connecting point of the piece too close to the sprue point and there is no way to keep the detail for that part on the piece. any way you cut it, you cut off some of the details. I will hold my judgement on the officer pod for a few days, but I thin he might cause some problems. But that is so far my only complaints. I have assembled extensive amounts of warhammer models over the past 20 years, so I have alot of experience with plastic models. These aren't bad at all.
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My feedback would be that they sprues are too tight to fit clippers in (and I have modeling clippers that are fine tipped) and they are too thick to make clean cuts with only a scalpel. It makes the small antenna pieces easy to break if you aren't very careful or have a lot of experience. My only two complaints like I said are the thrusters on the officer pod, and the arms looks like they are going to break over time. The connection point is too small for such a major piece. But it has not broken yet.

Thank god, I was worried they'd be awesome and I'd need to buy ridiculous amounts, lucky for my wallet they're just "not bad" hooray for mediocrity!

Wow Joyboozer, you are really great! I posted the entire set of comments and did not read mediocre anywhere. My English must be off somehow even though I grew up in an English speaking country. I did read this.

"Also, should be worth mentioning the model quality. They are actually better than I expected. The small bits are fragile, but they are thick enough that they are ok. They seemed to cast them a little thicker which made them stronger. The only thing that I dont like was the thrusters on the back of the officer pod."

Your skills are truly astounding.

I did ask him to post another honest review when he does the UEDF stuff so I'm aware that he has only done Zentraedi so far.

Well, to his credit, "better than expected" is not exactly "good"...

His last comment is these aren't bad at all, I was being flippant, do people not take the piss where you're from? Oh sorry, forgot, it's a game based on a cartoon, so everything has to be taken super serious...

Calm down guys.

So anyone get in any games yet? I'm planning on running the first few learning scenarios this upcoming Saturday, so I hope to get a few dudes assembled/painted by then.

Joyboozer wrote:
His last comment is these aren't bad at all, I was being flippant, do people not take the piss where you're from? Oh sorry, forgot, it's a game based on a cartoon, so everything has to be taken super serious...

Lol, understood, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I just love poking things with a stick and seeing how they react. Everyone takes Tactics, a game with tiny plastic robots, so seriously and sarcasm does not come off well most of the time on the net.

Then let us all adjust our pants, hold hands and do the good times dance!
On a serious note, has anyone found a way to make the flight stands supplied look good? I know there's other options available, but hope there's someone out there who's found a great use for it the rest of us haven't thought of.

Better yet, what color would you paint them?

Green for grass tables
Brown/Tan for Desert
White or Blue for Sky
Black for space?

No matter what you choose on some map they will be an eyesore. Suggestions?

I'll paint my flight stands in rainbow colors.

Nobody will ever miss them.....even if the mini is painted in the perfect camo.....

I'm definitely going to be using either clear acrylic or strong thin wire.

At a friend's recommendation, I snagged two packs of these.

With the added benefit that by magnetizing other Fighters, I can use the same 16 stands for my Gnerls, FPA, Super VTs in Fighter mode, VEF-1's, etc.

Maybe even some 'leaping' battlepods, but I might just adhere them to their base and call it a day. Really just didn't want to use those opaque stands that come with the models for the flying figures.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

Seriously???

When the KS started they were 98% done with the models and it took a year and a half to start making good on delivery of wave one. They are maybe half way through designing wave 2 which is far less then "98% done", and you expect them to be able to get that out and shipped in less then 6 months while including time for Chinese new year? Those must be some mighty strong rose colored glasses you have.

I don't expect to see anything before Gen Con of next year (at the soonest) and I'd put money on not seeing wave two until at least this time next year.