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Asterios wrote:I think Forar is selling his stuff off, but not sure if it was all of it ?

Not all of it.

Roughly half of wave one. 112 figures out of 214 that will be coming to me this week.

I'll be keeping a token Zentraedi force and a somewhat larger RDF force.

Edit: more specifically, in case anyone cares, I intend to have for sale:

12 VTs
2 Defenders
6 Tomahawks
2 Phalanxes
2 Spartans

42 Battlepods
4 Artillery Pods
4 Command Pod Packs

I've been watching the online shops and secondary markets casually, and will probably end up starting around 40% below MSRP (or around 20% below most of the shops I've been following) to start. If demand is high or low, I'll revisit that accordingly, but my goal isn't to make mad cash, just to recoup some of the costs incurred last year. 2014 hasn't been an easy year financially, so turning some extra figures into cash would be great.

Conrad, I think you have missed the point here, PB have completely reneged on a simple promise to ship all the backer orders before retail.

Simple thought if in the year leading up to shipping if overseas shipping was going to take longer then surely you plan for it and conceivably ship those 20 plus per cent of orders first. Likliehood they would then be received around the time US and more likely Canadian backers get theirs.

No chance

Even if you are willing to accept US retail orders, can you defend them giving preferential treatment to US preorders made only weeks ago - if you had queued three nights to get something, would you get a bit peeved if someone just walked up and went in ahead of you?

PB is relying on stealth here, remember nothing on the KS site itself just the PB newsletter.

Two big fingers to their overseas customersm is all we will get this year and probably for months after that. AS for your Wave Two, maybe 2016

wilycoyote wrote:
PB is relying on stealth here, remember nothing on the KS site itself just the PB newsletter.

Be careful with statements like that, Wily. Claiming that PB is sneaking something through(even though it's pretty clear they are), and that PB is lying(through broken promises which are demonstrably accurate) is apparently grounds for locking threads.

Palladium Forums. The place to be. As long as you ascribe to the "PB can do no wrong" philosophy.

At this point I'm expecting them to skip the second series and move on to an invid boardgame, basically super dungeon explore, different scale, different materials, different audience than RRT.

Morgan Vening wrote:

wilycoyote wrote:
PB is relying on stealth here, remember nothing on the KS site itself just the PB newsletter.

Be careful with statements like that, Wily. Claiming that PB is sneaking something through(even though it's pretty clear they are), and that PB is lying(through broken promises which are demonstrably accurate) is apparently grounds for locking threads.

Palladium Forums. The place to be. As long as you ascribe to the "PB can do no wrong" philosophy.

I got banned from the Palladium forums for saying Kevin lied to us backers when he planned to sell at GenCon before backers got their products, well that and when NMI sent my warning that I should not tell such lies and I told NMI what truth hurt? I get unbanned on Dec. 7th rather ironic if you ask me

Just from what he's said on this ks alone, I have a strong suspicion Kevin is a pathological liar. Guy is worse than a snakes oil salesmen

Because of how they've been mishandling every step of their KS I dumped mine the day it arrived. It showed up and for giggles I opened the box looked over a couple sprues then promptly listed it on ebay as I'm completely done with PB. When I initially backed I was really excited about the game but that was long ago killed by the heaps of steaming manure coming from how they've managed their KS. I don't like being pissed on and told it's just a spring shower.

When I dumped my copy it gave two of my friends reason to get rid of theirs as well as we would have been the core players base at the store and nobody wants in on a game that'll be dead before it hits the shelves.

wilycoyote wrote:
Conrad, I think you have missed the point here, PB have completely reneged on a simple promise to ship all the backer orders before retail.

Two big fingers to their overseas customersm is all we will get this year and probably for months after that. AS for your Wave Two, maybe 2016

Nope, not missed that point at all. Just finding it hard to get that annoyed because Palladium have done it to us AGAIN. After all, it's not like this is the FIRST promise they have broken in this campaign, not to mention EVER! There is always that old saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

Backers to get their stuff before retail [Only if you can't order from the US and have it sent privately, probably incurring high postage charges and extras such as tax and extortionate 'handling' charges, oh, and as we couldn't actually sell at Gencon, we took "Pre-Orders" and shipped them with the rewards just so we could make some money. Shame we couldn't have actually sold units AND taken "Pre-Orders" too. If only it hadn't been for those meddling Customs Officers!]

Mouth watering quality [Well, there is something wet inside my mouth, but it's not exactly water!]

Etc, Etc, Ad Nausium

I am in no way trying to defend PB and their Unicorns and Roses atmosphere, just stating that it doesn't bother me that continental Us gets retail before EU and Eastern backers see a sniff of their rewards. At this point, it doesn't surprise me that PB have done this - in fact I would have been shocked if they had actually grown a pair and said that until EU and Eastern distribution centres had shipped rewards, RRT was NOT going retail.

Lets face it, at this point, they probably NEED retail sales to get any kind of profitability from this, and that is the only way that any further work will ever be done on this IP without someone else either paying WAY over the odds to buy the rights from PB and giving them back to the proper people, or just prying them from PB's cold, dead hands. All I am thinking of, is that going retail in each 'zone' as soon as rewards have shipped there is possibly the only way to save this project, it certainly increases the possibility that we will actually get a 'wave 2' (or waves 2, 3, 4, and 5, depending on how much of a mess they make of fullfilling the rest of the pledges.). I have no confidence that I will get anything - except possibly the UEDF decals I have specifically told them NOT to ship me before wave 2 is going out to me - before the end of next year. In fact, PB may be counting on that. They may have figured that the average Robotech/Macross fan is so old that they'll have forgotten they backed the KS and buy another lot over the internet from US retailers and end up getting a lot more than they really want.

All I can say is that IF this helps make either more models for the current game, or new generations of the game, then there are people who would want that. Personally, I'm done - so no reason why PB would listen to me as I'm not their target demographic [Unicorn-fart sniffing Friends of Kevin] - but I can at least understand that others may want the game to succeed, so why not empathise with them and at least not hope that it fails [especially before I have what I pledged for in my sticky little mits!].

According to a post by Kevin on Facebook on the 9th they are still investigating RoW shipping options. So they did actually sit on their hands the whole time they were waiting on product, at no time in the months of waiting did they put anything in place.

If they go to retail with the box we were given there is going to be issues. Just the missing cards snafu is going to be a major speedbump to retail success.

Joyboozer wrote:
According to a post by Kevin on Facebook on the 9th they are still investigating RoW shipping options. So they did actually sit on their hands the whole time they were waiting on product, at no time in the months of waiting did they put anything in place.

PB is really a small group.
I honestly think they are not in the habit of multitasking or using something like Microsoft Project and setting up parallel operation tasks.
Looking back, they are rather insular and it is surprising they resurfaced enough to get into the newfangled kickstarter thing.
It took some "superfans" to outline the product (even make some models) and the method and describe the pile of money to be made before action happened.
I think the real problem is they were not overwhelmed by it all enough to stop themselves from meddling.
They have proven to be rather cash starved in the past so the temptation to go to market ASAP was rather expected (at least for me).
They had been rather vocal of their various internal turmoil (as well as prior employees) so it was also known PB would not be the most organized (reliable?) group around.

My only expectation is I SHALL get all the items I paid for, I expect that at some point Wave 2 commitments will try to be forgotten (or at least a second shipment cost cash grab) and that I will not budge on. It may get into 2016 but I can at least expect a Gencon surge at least once a year.

Why do I feel obligated to summarize? Maybe because PB keeps trying to re-write history and the passage of time is rather boggling.

Whelp, The War Store has joined the fray, and their prices are the lowest I've found so far (for an online shop, at least). It's not by a large amount, but they're at least a buck (Canadian) cheaper than the others with 2 exceptions; the VT's, which Miniature Market is inexplicably selling for like $22.50 US (~$25 Canadian) and the Command Pod Pack, which they match a couple other sites with.

From what I hear they have pretty cheap international shipping (thanks Morgan).

Not that many folks here are looking to buy more (or any) RRT, just find it interesting how the market is shaping up, now that shops need to commit to pricing.

 Forar wrote:
Whelp, The War Store has joined the fray, and their prices are the lowest I've found so far (for an online shop, at least). It's not by a large amount, but they're at least a buck (Canadian) cheaper than the others with 2 exceptions; the VT's, which Miniature Market is inexplicably selling for like $22.50 US (~$25 Canadian) and the Command Pod Pack, which they match a couple other sites with.

From what I hear they have pretty cheap international shipping (thanks Morgan).

Not that many folks here are looking to buy more (or any) RRT, just find it interesting how the market is shaping up, now that shops need to commit to pricing.

Any takers on your robotech swap shop stuff? If not, maybe you should offer free confectionery from the sig link to sweeten the mouth watering detail.. I mean deal! I'm curious as to how the secondary market is initially shaping up. I've seen roughly equal amounts of haves and wants over on bartertown where it is easier to search for it.

I've had a few nibbles so far, not having prices probably isn't helping, and until I actually get the box in hand, I'm wary of pushing/advertising too hard. Want to crack 'em open and lay out exactly what's inside, check for missing cards, etc.

Like with my Through the Breach sales, I'm going to start local, to remove the need to mess with Paypal and shipping, even if it reduces potential profits a little. Funnily, also reduces the need to fight with some US site pricing as well, since even the ones that offer free shipping generally don't do so internationally.

This makes a site/shop called Meeplemart the 'target to beat', and after taxes their stuff is around $32-35 Canadian, which leaves me some room to work.

 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:


Not that many folks here are looking to buy more (or any) RRT, just find it interesting how the market is shaping up, now that shops need to commit to pricing.

Any takers on your robotech swap shop stuff? If not, maybe you should offer free confectionery from the sig link to sweeten the mouth watering detail.. I mean deal! I'm curious as to how the secondary market is initially shaping up. I've seen roughly equal amounts of haves and wants over on bartertown where it is easier to search for it.

Sales on eBay are almost dead, right now all the auctions with bids is only 1, and some of those bids are good prices, and some with good prices have been ending with no bids, a few weeks ago you could sell a BC wave 1 for an easy $200 shipped, now, not even $150 shipped it seems. latest BC wave 1's that have sold, sold for the $140 shipped range (and those were auctions) and now its going lower then that, whether the decline is due to waning interest in the game or lack of new players, or lack of money is unknown, I do know it is around this time of year eBay sales drop greatly, and people are out looking for that next great electronic over any silly game.

 Forar wrote:
This makes a site/shop called Meeplemart the 'target to beat', and after taxes their stuff is around $32-35 Canadian, which leaves me some room to work.

Somewhere in the distance Kevin is feeling a disturbance in the market forces... "these are not the miniatures you are looking for".

Saw my first box of Robotech at the FLGS. Had mixed feelings about it. Talked to the owner about it, and he pretty much said he hasn't had anyone even remotely interested. His theory is that the people that really wanted it, jumped on the Kickstarter.

Due to the ineptitude of Palladium in running the Kickstarter, and the amount of people that bad mouthed the game before it even came out (I admit, I was guilty of this), I wouldn't be surprised if the game flops. :(

well to give you an idea, there is a seller who has a BC wave 1 plus 2 destroid expansion packs listed at $175 free shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Kick-Starter-Exclusive-2-Destroid-expansion-packs-/231401399673?pt=Games_US&hash=item35e0992579

wasn't first time he listed it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Kick-Starter-Exclusive-2-Destroid-expansion-packs-/231392536050?pt=Games_US&hash=item35e011e5f2&nma=true&si=wLY67dYc%252BgnR6z92E2N1juNhezY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 Forar wrote:
From what I hear they have pretty cheap international shipping (thanks Morgan).

Warstore is offering 25%+ off ($72 per core box), and while the shipping progression is weird, it's definitely cheap. For 1-8 First Contact boxes, it went $30/$40/$50/$55/$65/$70/$80/$85. That's to Australia.

After playing around with that, I deleted everything Robotech (cause eww!) and went and made a significant purchase of stuff I'll actually play, with the money I was paid for my RRT pledges.

For those saying I'd regret jumping out, when exactly is that regret supposed to hit? Cause I'm really not feeling it.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From what I hear they have pretty cheap international shipping (thanks Morgan).

Warstore is offering 25%+ off ($72 per core box), and while the shipping progression is weird, it's definitely cheap. For 1-8 First Contact boxes, it went $30/$40/$50/$55/$65/$70/$80/$85. That's to Australia.

After playing around with that, I deleted everything Robotech (cause eww!) and went and made a significant purchase of stuff I'll actually play, with the money I was paid for my RRT pledges.

For those saying I'd regret jumping out, when exactly is that regret supposed to hit? Cause I'm really not feeling it.

I never said you would regret it, in fact just bought me a crap load of WarHammer 40K stuff the other day with the money I had set aside for more Robotech goodies if I even remotely liked what I got, I didn't, so spent the money on decent minis for the price.

A glance at the sold listings are showing a range from around $110-150 (possibly plus shipping) for wave one BC's.

Now, it's also worth keeping in mind that not all sellers are made equal. Some folks will have negatives, or have low ratings, and buyers can be less inclined to trust them with more money for those reasons alone.

Which isn't to say I'm arguing that the demand and supply seem to be equalizing, though the next few days have auctions in the $150-200+ range for BC's (wave one or otherwise). Just that there are other factors to keep in mind. Edit: could also be that demand for the 'chaff' figures is waning, which doesn't speak terribly well for the game's growth/expansion, but people only need so many VT's/Pods for a standard size game or smaller; the need to get more than a core box or two or a BC or two cheaply is going to dwindle. Or maybe PB's reputation and handling of this matter have very tangibly damaged the brand/product line's viability.

Guess we'll see if anyone nibbles. If the fourth most populous city in north america doesn't have enough interest to sell off figures at around 20-30% below the price available in stores (after taxes, without any shipping costs), that'll be another point in your favour, Rick. If they sell, I make back some cash and, like the tape from The Ring, I spread a darkness across the city, one person at a time.

... I mean put models in people's hands and hopefully they assemble/paint them up better than the amateur hour results I'm going to get when I start.


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Asterios wrote:
I never said you would regret it, in fact just bought me a crap load of WarHammer 40K stuff the other day with the money I had set aside for more Robotech goodies if I even remotely liked what I got, I didn't, so spent the money on decent minis for the price.

Err, he's not talking to you.

It seems to have been a rhetorical question; there have definitely been people (here and in other places) who have proclaimed that those that were selling off their stuff would come to regret it.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
This makes a site/shop called Meeplemart the 'target to beat', and after taxes their stuff is around $32-35 Canadian, which leaves me some room to work.

Somewhere in the distance Kevin is feeling a disturbance in the market forces... "these are not the miniatures you are looking for".

Don't be ridiculous. His circle of fan friends drown out everything that isn't rainbow farts and unicorn sunshine well before it reaches his backside.


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Thanks for the update, Forar. Good luck with selling the stuff.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Saw my first box of Robotech at the FLGS. Had mixed feelings about it. Talked to the owner about it, and he pretty much said he hasn't had anyone even remotely interested. His theory is that the people that really wanted it, jumped on the Kickstarter.

Due to the ineptitude of Palladium in running the Kickstarter, and the amount of people that bad mouthed the game before it even came out (I admit, I was guilty of this), I wouldn't be surprised if the game flops. :(

I don't think it'll flop but I also don't think it'll ever hit the top five of ICvS either. I suspect after a few months post wave 2, most of the sales of boosters will be battletech players. It'll likely have a few games at gencon but I don't expect to start seeing Robotech games on the list of games to sign up for at the gaming specific big cons like Adepticon.

 Forar wrote:
A glance at the sold listings are showing a range from around $110-150 (possibly plus shipping) for wave one BC's.

Now, it's also worth keeping in mind that not all sellers are made equal. Some folks will have negatives, or have low ratings, and buyers can be less inclined to trust them with more money for those reasons alone.

Which isn't to say I'm arguing that the demand and supply seem to be equalizing, though the next few days have auctions in the $150-200+ range for BC's (wave one or otherwise). Just that there are other factors to keep in mind.

Guess we'll see if anyone nibbles. If the fourth most populous city in north america doesn't have enough interest to sell off figures at around 20-30% below the price available in stores (after taxes, without any shipping costs), that'll be another point in your favour, Rick. If they sell, I make back some cash and, like the tape from The Ring, I spread a darkness across the city, one person at a time.

... I mean put models in people's hands and hopefully they assemble/paint them up better than the amateur hour results I'm going to get when I start.


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Asterios wrote:
I never said you would regret it, in fact just bought me a crap load of WarHammer 40K stuff the other day with the money I had set aside for more Robotech goodies if I even remotely liked what I got, I didn't, so spent the money on decent minis for the price.

Err, he's not talking to you.

It seems to have been a rhetorical question; there have definitely been people (here and in other places) who have proclaimed that those that were selling off their stuff would come to regret it.

actually with the way eBay is handling low feedback sellers, its easier to trust them now since they don't get the money till after the buyer receives his stuffand is acknowledged or after several days or was it week?


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 warboss wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
This makes a site/shop called Meeplemart the 'target to beat', and after taxes their stuff is around $32-35 Canadian, which leaves me some room to work.

Somewhere in the distance Kevin is feeling a disturbance in the market forces... "these are not the miniatures you are looking for".

Don't be ridiculous. His circle of fan friends drown out everything that isn't rainbow farts and unicorn sunshine well before it reaches his backside.


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Thanks for the update, Forar. Good luck with selling the stuff.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Saw my first box of Robotech at the FLGS. Had mixed feelings about it. Talked to the owner about it, and he pretty much said he hasn't had anyone even remotely interested. His theory is that the people that really wanted it, jumped on the Kickstarter.

Due to the ineptitude of Palladium in running the Kickstarter, and the amount of people that bad mouthed the game before it even came out (I admit, I was guilty of this), I wouldn't be surprised if the game flops. :(

I don't think it'll flop but I also don't think it'll ever hit the top five of ICvS either. I suspect after a few months post wave 2, most of the sales of boosters will be battletech players. It'll likely have a few games at gencon but I don't expect to start seeing Robotech games on the list of games to sign up for at the gaming specific big cons like Adepticon.

the game won't flop outright but will die a cruel slow death, it will get no support from PB and sales are dropping so no new material will be brought out by PB and the game has already taken several kicks to the groin by the way PB handled the whole project.

I wasn't aware they'd changed the low-feedback seller policy.

Huh. Is that just recent feedback? If not, I might get grandfathered in there if I decide to use it, as I have a pretty rocking rating (for a general user that hasn't bought much in years) but haven't sold anything in over a decade.

 Forar wrote:
I wasn't aware they'd changed the low-feedback seller policy.

Huh. Is that just recent feedback? If not, I might get grandfathered in there if I decide to use it, as I have a pretty rocking rating (for a general user that hasn't bought much in years) but haven't sold anything in over a decade.

you have to have 10 positive sales or 10 sales with no complaints before you will start receiving your money right away, they changed this policy about a year or two ago.

Asterios wrote:

 Forar wrote:
I wasn't aware they'd changed the low-feedback seller policy.

Huh. Is that just recent feedback? If not, I might get grandfathered in there if I decide to use it, as I have a pretty rocking rating (for a general user that hasn't bought much in years) but haven't sold anything in over a decade.

you have to have 10 positive sales or 10 sales with no complaints before you will start receiving your money right away, they changed this policy about a year or two ago.

Is it 10 sales or 10 sales within the last year (or some other arbitrary time limit)? I don't see Ebay having it retroactive when they could hold (and collect interest) on relatively inactive sellers' money.

Huh. I have dozens of sales, but they date back literally to the early 2000's. My rating is 537, but if it's recent sales only, I'd be left waiting for the funding as well.

Good to know in advance. Reinforces my desire to deal with people in person. Hopefully that works out.

I think it was meant for new sellers, but not sure I know I haven't encountered the problem but usually list a few things each year though.


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well game nerdz on eBay just listed some stuff, so retailers are getting product.

People at my FLGS had interest in the game (including my buddy)........ in like May. I would be surprised if the reaction when brought up now wasn't "Oh that is finally coming out. That's nice." No one I know bought into the kickstarter; so no real person is looking to push it. I look for the cheap ebay auctions for battle cries, but never bite since I don't want to lose money on a seemingly DOA game. Maybe something will happen with the FLGS and some interest will be generated (then I will split a battle cry from ebay with my buddy. Zentradi for him, UEDF for me).

I'm already telling everyone I know to steer clear of this game