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2015/02/16 15:41:35
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Got two squadrons of Veritechs assembled (24 models!) and had one squad of each of the battleoids done (16 models!).
As much as I can stand to do for the good guys for now, sand bases and prime.
For the Zents, I have two scout squads done and then will do one battlegroup and try to get it all balanced to a 300 pt game.
I may have a hope of getting this done okay before the end of <edit>March<edit>, thank goodness for my new airbrush skills.
PB I have a message for you: 12 models for a squadron at 20 or so parts each: some 240 tiny parts..,
Spoiler:
Moving on.
Meanwhile back at the kickstarter comments Jorel and Rick need a room... though the complaints of assembly do have merit.
Comments on the latest update are not so nice either... PB really needs to manage their customer PR a wee tad better.
DriveThruRPG has the updated instructions for building the Fighter? and the Guardian/Gerwalk mode. No battloid yet however. I didn't know anyone was having problems assembling the fighter mode. Anyway the guide for the Guardian/Gerwalk mode is actually useful.
dalsiandon wrote: DriveThruRPG has the updated instructions for building the Fighter? and the Guardian/Gerwalk mode. No battloid yet however. I didn't know anyone was having problems assembling the fighter mode. Anyway the guide for the Guardian/Gerwalk mode is actually useful.
So while Palladium is slow moving things do appear to be moving. Wagers on how long until the much more necessary Battloid mode instructions arrive?
Shouldn't be hard to extrapolate. What should have been started "End of the week" on Jan 14 (no more than four days), took just over a month to get two done, and with twelve to do, should be finished some time around end of July.
Unless KevCo get distracted by something shiny. Oooh, GenCon is early this year, and with a delay from the Open House already, I'm sure that'll mess the schedule up.
2015/02/19 10:26:24
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Shouldn't be hard to extrapolate. What should have been started "End of the week" on Jan 14 (no more than four days), took just over a month to get two done, and with twelve to do, should be finished some time around end of July.
Unless KevCo get distracted by something shiny. Oooh, GenCon is early this year, and with a delay from the Open House already, I'm sure that'll mess the schedule up.
The Zen. pods are actually pleasant (~14 parts plus base) in comparison to the UEDF models (20+ parts and half the size).
Unfortunately the most fantastic instructions in the world will not ease the job of a 20 minute build per model.
The casual modeler will be looking at a squadron of the iconic Veritechs and think, hmmm 12 models for a squad? Can we just play with battleoids? Please?
I am glad they are addressing a few things with their current product but this is little more than a "patch".
I REALLY hope this is not drawing away resources from Wave 2.
You know, the thing they seem unwilling to discuss.
At least they committed to a flyer in the game box outlining the other models so there is some incentive to get it done.
Some update would be really nice other than slow boats to UK/Aus.
Even Mike has gone quiet... makes me nervous.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2015/02/19 13:14:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
We have all realised that PB thinks that a 'bear' market means they can hibernate.
As they are asleep, we can resign ourselves to the long wait and hibernate ourselves, or take advantage of the falling prices and grab a few bargains
I might pick up a single set of VTs, but I am probably just going to quietly slip away, falling asleep until that wonderful day when my (3D) prints will come.
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Bobtheinquisitor wrote:what is going on with APAC shipping? If Macross Island were real, they'd be the last place to get any Robotechnology.
2015/02/19 19:08:32
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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2015/02/19 19:48:17
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
So it is. If this had been in the initial release it would have been hugly helpful from the get-go. But I have three Battloids left to build so I will make the most of it.
If not for the mediocre who would be great, and thank goodness for those who are just terrible they make even those who are mediocre look great
May the Sons of Dorn forever be vigilant
2015/02/20 05:22:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
As of today I have received all 3 waves plus an extra shipment to fix mispacks, from Deadzone, a game with more sculpts that took less money, which funded June 3 2013.
I have yet to see a single thing from Robotech, a smaller game with less sculpts, which funded May 21 2013.
NTRabbit wrote: I have yet to see a single thing from Robotech, a smaller game with less sculpts, which funded May 21 2013.
Funny how that works, eh?
If (and it's probably a big "if") I receive something coming march, it will have been 22 months since I paid for this. And that's not even counting Wave 2...
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2015/02/20 11:05:04
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
NTRabbit wrote: I have yet to see a single thing from Robotech, a smaller game with less sculpts, which funded May 21 2013.
Funny how that works, eh?
If (and it's probably a big "if") I receive something coming march, it will have been 22 months since I paid for this. And that's not even counting Wave 2...
Sorry, but I'm only counting wave 2.
1/ There was no mention of different 'waves' during the campaign. Until all rewards are in my hands, the clock ticks on!
2/ I refuse to count a single decal sheet as having moved considerably towards completion.
I backed quite heavily on DFG's Eisenkern KS, ending up with stuff from all 3 waves. But I knew going in that it would be 3 waves, so was not bothered about the fact. I was even less bothered once wave 1 arrived as the quality was every bit what they had promised and much better than the GW stuff I had previously spent money on. Even so, the difference in expected and actual delivery of wave 3 was 600 days. Currently RRT is 416 days late without me receiving a single model and without anything concrete on any of the models I pledged for. I can quite easily see it boosting by double that before I get anything.
It appears KS loves deadlines - he especially enjoys the whooshing sound they make as they pass. Presumably so he can capture it and play it back while flying his VT around the room!
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Bobtheinquisitor wrote:what is going on with APAC shipping? If Macross Island were real, they'd be the last place to get any Robotechnology.
2015/02/20 11:30:00
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
If they had sent it via the scale model below, I suspect you get it sooner. Wow... just wow...
6 Foot Long (1/200 scale) ultimate buildup of the SLV-111 Daedalus complete with R/C, lighting, working hatch / ramp, cranes, elevator, sound effects and radars.
If this guy lived nearby, I'd have the motivation to actually clip some robotech off the sprue and build it.
2015/02/20 15:38:58
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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2015/02/20 19:18:45
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
warboss wrote: If he's a RRPG backer in the ROW, it should be tomorrow. *zing!*
I don't see anything HG or PB could send him a nasty C&D about as long as he doesn't start making and selling scratchbuild carriers.
You never know. The PB Forum mods killed Mike's posts that converted a bunch of stuff from Palladium Robotech RPG to Palladium Robotech RPG Tactics posted to the Palladium Robotech RPG forum.
Because copyright infringement, naturally. I find the guy's fanatical devotion to a project whose own creators are trying their best to drive into the dumpster to be pathetic in the extreme, but the guy has put more effort into supporting that (clearly doomed) endeavor than the entirety of the rest of the Palladium Books cult. Instead of appreciation he get gak on.
Maybe there will be a wakeup call for someone.
2015/02/20 20:55:33
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Merijeek wrote: You never know. The PB Forum mods killed Mike's posts that converted a bunch of stuff from Palladium Robotech RPG to Palladium Robotech RPG Tactics posted to the Palladium Robotech RPG forum.
Because copyright infringement, naturally. I find the guy's fanatical devotion to a project whose own creators are trying their best to drive into the dumpster to be pathetic in the extreme, but the guy has put more effort into supporting that (clearly doomed) endeavor than the entirety of the rest of the Palladium Books cult. Instead of appreciation he get gak on.
Maybe there will be a wakeup call for someone.
Mike's devotion for Robotech "the story" appears to run beyond the motivations of the controlling owners.
It certainly appears he is willing to fill the void of whatever PB or HG cannot be bothered to do with any urgency.
Well, Kevin would not like to share the lime-light when it comes to producing product for the fans so the being dumped on is to be expected.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2015/02/20 21:37:32
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
All this is why I find it funny when people try to call me White Knight....I have the best interests for Tactics in mind. I will get all 3 generations and more one way or another regardless. People just can't understand that you can support RRT and not necessarily care about the PB/HG side of things. If Merijeek thinks that is pathetic I also think that it is pathetic to do all you can to tear down a product line you want to have because you hate the company doing everything to produce it. I see it just as wasteful and pathetic to love Robotech and do all you can to tear PB down and then say it is for the good of a product that will never be made in your lifetime once you tear down the meager forces behind it. I guess it is all about POV.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also have something in mind for the next 2 gens.
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Mike1975 wrote: People just can't understand that you can support RRT and not necessarily care about the PB/HG side of things.
Unfortunately the world is not that black and white; supporting a thing made by a despicable company still allows that company, or at least TPTB running it, to continue doing whatever it is that makes them so hated in the first place. While some may not see certain kinds of support as contributing to if not enabling that kind of behavior, others quite clearly disagree.
Mike1975 wrote: If Merijeek thinks that is pathetic I also think that it is pathetic to do all you can to tear down a product line you want to have because you hate the company doing everything to produce it.
Is what people want actually being produced, or is only the name of what they want being slapped onto something else entirely.
Mike1975 wrote: I see it just as wasteful and pathetic to love Robotech and do all you can to tear PB down and then say it is for the good of a product that will never be made in your lifetime once you tear down the meager forces behind it. I guess it is all about POV.
It is just as possible that any one POV can be equally correct as another, or likewise equally wrong.
Talizvar wrote: You are so gung-ho that for us cup-half-empty types it hurts.
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2015/02/21 02:16:33
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Mike1975 wrote: People just can't understand that you can support RRT and not necessarily care about the PB/HG side of things.
Unfortunately the world is not that black and white; supporting a thing made by a despicable company still allows that company, or at least TPTB running it, to continue doing whatever it is that makes them so hated in the first place.
While some may not see certain kinds of support as contributing to if not enabling that kind of behavior, others quite clearly disagree.
Mike1975 wrote: If Merijeek thinks that is pathetic I also think that it is pathetic to do all you can to tear down a product line you want to have because you hate the company doing everything to produce it.
Is what people want actually being produced, or is only the name of what they want being slapped onto something else entirely.
Mike1975 wrote: I see it just as wasteful and pathetic to love Robotech and do all you can to tear PB down and then say it is for the good of a product that will never be made in your lifetime once you tear down the meager forces behind it.
I guess it is all about POV.
It is just as possible that any one POV can be equally correct as another, or likewise equally wrong.
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Yes, some may consider it enabling, they are welcome to that opinion. I want this product in my lifetime and believe that we are in an all or nothing situation.
Everyone had a vision of what they wanted or what we would get. Everyone saw through their own Rose colored glasses. I hoped for a bit less detail and half the pieces. Others wanted even more detail. This was a compromise between minis and models. I think the balance was too much on the "Highly Detailed and Poseable" side. The vision that was handed to use was always a blurry one and we chose to see what we wanted and then got upset when the vision did not match the reality.
POV is tricky, I could say the other POV is correct but then if it is opposite of mine I am also saying that mine is possibly incorrect. Let us just say that there are multiple points of view. If I am not criticized for mine I will not criticize that same person for theirs. I think trying to tear down the one chance we have is stupid just as much as supporting it openly and mindlessly is also stupid. I support with full knowledge that what influence I have is being used to steer the ship along the best course possible regardless of what the rest of the crew wants. Does that mean we will get to what I see as the destination? No. Does that mean I will be closer than I would be otherwise....I would hope so. So far the results are mixed BUT there have been results. Following the same analogy the crew will listen to people who will work with them and support them on some things and will just ignore things coming from the rest. That's just human nature.
Robotech Marines
- Not yet delayed to April. Will probably be delayed to (and past) April.
Robotech Rulebook
- Available now, limited quantities, only through the webstore. Not sure of the value of this, without the cards.
Robotech RPG Tactics
- "It is available in stores across the USA and Canada, and soon in Europe and Australia.", again ignoring the fact that no, it's available in Europe, Australia and other parts of RoW. But keep on keeping on with your head in the sand.
- "Hey, for those of you who would like to see the rules first, you can purchase the full color Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Rulebook directly from Palladium Books.". Because stating this literally a paragraph earlier, wasn't enough.
- "We also intend to make the rules available online.". Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. And even on the slim chance they do, it's already a year or more too late.
RRT Europe
- If you haven't updated your address, it's YOUR fault. Not theirs. So don't blame them.
RRT Australia and ROW
- Australia, see RRT Europe re address. Your stuff should be arriving in three weeks.
- ROW, see RRT Europe re address. Otherwise, PB don't acknowledge that you exist. The fact that it's still in "get your address in" does seem to confirm you guys haven't even had the packages sent yet. So, lucky you.
- Indemnity, again, if you haven't updated your address, it's not on them, and you're responsible for all costs. ALL COSTS! NOT OUR FAULT!
Robotech Adepticon
- "We’ve been told the more people who register, the bigger the event will become.". My favorite 'duh' quote. Because if you need to be told the more people register, the bigger it becomes, then you're a five year old.
- They then cap it off at the end of the segment with "Slots are limited!". Seriously, I can't... I don't... Ack.
DriveThruRPG.com
- "Palladium continues to provide FREE support to Robotech® RPG Tactics™ with supplemental material.". Gee, given that nearly everything there (the color templates excepted), is stuff that should have been provided IN THE BOX. So, thanks for not charging for that. You're a peach.
Robotech RPG Tactics Wave 2
- And for Wave 2 fans, we've got feth all for you! Like literally, the only mention of Wave 2 is "Plus Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave One and Wave Two releases worldwide. And there are still some secret projects and licenses yet to be revealed." in the "Other titles for 2015 and beyond" section. I can understand not doing so if they're planning a big weekend update on the KS (they've been criticized about doing the KS stuff last), but if they were, they could at LEAST have put in a "And we'll have Wave 2 information in our Kickstarter Update!". Their hesitancy to actually SHOW progress on Wave 2 is a little concerning, and no, a verbal assurance that yes, progress is being made, at this point in their credibility, isn't going to cut it.
Add in the usual promotion of the Open Day, and a release schedule that based on past performance is at best unlikely, and you've got yourself a Weekly Update.
2015/02/21 17:45:18
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
As I've noted elsewhere, buy the rule book? I've already given away (or promised away) 2 of the 3 they sent me. And why pay $20 from them when one can order the whole core box for $50-75 depending on the sales.
Yes, granted I'm comparing MSRP versus online shops known for steep discounts, but I don't feel it's entirely an apples to oranges situation.
Seems like a strange price point for something a niche community probably already has too many of.
2015/02/21 18:06:47
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Morgan Vening wrote: Robotech RPG Tactics
- "It is available in stores across the USA and Canada, and soon in Europe and Australia.", again ignoring the fact that no, it's available in Europe, Australia and other parts of RoW. But keep on keeping on with your head in the sand.
Funny that. Seems like I've been fiddling with an imaginary Robotech RPG Tactics destroids box, seeing as I seem to have dreamt buying it from Wayland Games and receiving it yesterday, before their slow boat from the USA even gets to the UK, nevermind start shipping pledges.
So evidently, the following pics (not very good ones, taken from a cellphone) and impressions are all product of my overeager imagination, Take it as such.
First imaginary impression: hm, these sprues are freaking tiny. Both regarding the pieces (so, so many pieces) and the actual size of the whole sprue.
Not very packed, compared with GW's stuff, but well, GW they ain't. The general casting quality and amount of detail of the two sprues is quite telling, too.
After assembling a couple of the suckers, I can certainly say that these little guys are very, very fiddly, and quite a bit more fiddly than they need to be. The end size is decent enough, I guess, but not all that big when compared with comparable Battletech stuff. Took some comparison pics with some minis I had lying around, with both of the designs, to gauge real size.
Defender X
With a Mantic enforcer:
With GW stuff (LotR orc, first space marine ever, regular space marine, chaos raptor, dark eldar, warrior priest)
(You'll notice, btw, that basically every other mini save probably the orc sports more detail in pretty much every dimension with a whole lot less parts count).
Infinity minis (bounty hunter, new Hac Tao):
Now comparisons with the crappy Btech minis from the 25th anniversary starter (remember: these are crap; really crappy plastic, which didn't fill the mould, and single part):
With one of the hard plastic, good quality multipart Clan 'mechs from that same box (in this particular case the comparison hurts):
With the two multipart (but very few parts, and slottable) 'mechs from the new Btech starter:
With a couple of Heavy Gears:
And a (small) groupshot:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Now the Tomahawk, same deal:
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2015/02/21 18:20:11
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
