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It's not in my 1989 Robotech or 1991 Rifts core books so it seems like they removed it (to their credit) earlier.

The table was in my old TMNT book but the later edition had a new table glued over the same spot. Somebody literally cut and pasted a new table into each book as you could still see the old table underneath if you had it in strong light.

During one round of character creation I rolled results of having a gay pedophile, which I was like hell no I'm not going to play that, my GM was like "the rolls stick that's your character, sorry bro". So very first thing in the game I had my character do is shoot himself in the head with a .45 ACP. Because of the crappy SDC & hit point system It took four shots.

Oh look at that... time to roll up a new character, jerk. (to the GM) He wised up and from that point on wards we ignored the insanity tables for any character creation unless it was an NPC.

Only four shots? Wimp.

To keep the idiocy down we made it where SDC was, basically, D20 Subdual damage while HP were actual lethal damage. Because none of us could figure out how boxing or judo would teach you how to take a bullet.

All you gotta do is flex brah, bullets bounce right off pumped & bronzed guido skin.

Fun RPG times, why oh why did I give my semi-complete PB collection to my Brother?
Top of 80's complete anyway.
The game would so benefit from my spreadsheet skills now.
I really liked much of their stuff, yeah insanity I backed away and avoided BUT used modified tables for the "Crazies" because that was actually part of playing those non-juicer play alikes.
I think my favorite type of character was "Null psychic" I think it was?
A super strong psionic in strong magical denial: like permanent anti-magic casting / shield / bubble so bad he does not know he has powers.
"It was all done with mirrors and a smoke machine!".
I had a ton of fun with that.
The resident Wizard hated me (in-game!) but kicked serious butt when he got away from me. I got to keep asking:" what is it you really do again? By my observations you are pretty much useless or insane."
Good times...

 Talizvar wrote:
[..] Funny stuff, you just can't make up these things. [..]

One bad thing about folks like that is how their behavior is so off the wall as to appear completely made-up no matter how many similar anecdotes you can relate to outsiders.
It seriously sucks when you try to relate your experiences so others can avoid their own negative interactions only to be told to stop making up stories about the individual in question because those things cannot possibly be true.

 Talizvar wrote:
[..] I think my favorite type of character was "Null psychic" I think it was?
A super strong psionic in strong magical denial: like permanent anti-magic casting / shield / bubble so bad he does not know he has powers.
"It was all done with mirrors and a smoke machine!".
I had a ton of fun with that.
The resident Wizard hated me (in-game!) but kicked serious butt when he got away from me. I got to keep asking:" what is it you really do again? By my observations you are pretty much useless or insane."
Good times...

Possibly the Nega-Pshychic from Beyond the Supernatural(?), but yeah, something along those lines.
Always interesting to play or be in a group with a personality a lot more grounded than the typical RPG murderhobos.



As far as the non-informational PB informational updates go, I am strongly reminded of the D.I.P. joke from the Knight & Day movie (loosely along the lines of):
- "They're going to dip me? Dip me in what?"
"Disinformation protocol - they'll use words like safe. Secure. Stabilize. If they say these words don't go anywhere with them, because when they use repetitions they actually mean the opposite."
- "So if they tell me they're going to take me somewhere safe, they're going to kill me?"
"Yes, or lock you away someplace where you'll wish you were dead."


Only with "Coming Soon" & "Can't say more now." & "14 hour days." & "etc etc etc" as the DIP words or phrases....

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World Book 12: Psyscape is one of my favourites. It sounds like he was either playing a Nega-Psychic or a Psi-Nullifier. Off hand I believe they both had a similar ability to disrupt magic within a certain radius (and anything targeted at them)? I'd have to pull out my book for the specifics.

Beyond supernatural seems the correct sourcebook.
I was not much into the worldbooks but did like Wormwood.
Yeah, we pretty much used any character class and used the Rifts setting.
I think they decided I was to be an MDC "creature" to further my delusion that everything was one big hoax and my "immunity" was proof.
I think I only was that way in defense but could not do "super" things since that would conflict with my view of the world.
It was one of the stranger but fun characters I had played.
The battle with the "animatronic" dragon was epic.
It was like a Scooby Doo episode.
So despite big nasty warts, you can find fun in a PB game when it eventually gets published.

Considering how the mods at pb move any thread about rrt I'm pleasantly surprised this one hasn't been moved. Positive or negative if it's about rrt it gets moved right away. Silly

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=2862169&sid=0946e206b6cb8fb7b4faab8c22504ac4#p2862169

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Considering how the mods at pb move any thread about rrt I'm pleasantly surprised this one hasn't been moved. Positive or negative if it's about rrt it gets moved right away. Silly

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=2862169&sid=0946e206b6cb8fb7b4faab8c22504ac4#p2862169

I suspect it has to do with them knowing that Palladium has screwed up so many ways so many times regardless of their propaganda to the contrary and accusations of trolling when posts simply list the facts. The reality is that a robotech thread can go honest/negative at a moment's notice and NMI knows it.

It is usually easier to give the message "we hear you" and let the possible fixes be bounced around and keep the FAQ going.

Working on a new rule book and calling it "advanced rules" is an opportunity, firm up a few irritating bits and then throw in some "fun" value added stuff so people don't feel like they are paying for your mistakes.

It would be helpful if they could get some infantry / vehicle rules in and they could do some GHQ release they keep threatening. Just don't pull a ND with them and all will be well. If they are having the financial problems we suspect it may actually help matters a bit.

Speaking of infantry, anyone know any good scale "people" to get? I only seem to get hits for "Z" scale which is around 1:200 and a smattering of 1:220 which is closer. Since I saw that "Mars Base" battle on a blog and the "Lisa Hayes" objective I have been looking around.
http://robotechwargaming.blogspot.ca/2014/12/the-12th-day-of-khyron-pick-up-lt-hayes.html

You could use Epic 40k infantry since that was 6mm as well but obviously you won't get civilians though (not sure if those are the people you're talking about or if it's soliders).

Maybe these threads may help:

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=158328

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mackenzie/6mm%20Infantry%20Comparison.htm

http://6mm.wargaming.info/page9.shtml

If you're looking for civilians, my best guess (and the search that I did to get the above) was looking for 6mm WW2 infantry and civilians. The historical wargaming niche is likely your best bet.

http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/6mmRanges/6mmCivilians.htm

http://planetares6.blogspot.com/2014/10/photos-of-sem-37-civilians.html

http://angelbarracks.co.uk/genericfigures.html

Also, z-scale figures. They are 1/200, but if you aren't picky then that is close enough.

Yeah, when you're talking about 'people' who are 8-9mm tall instead of 6mm tall, it's basically going to be impossible to judge at a distance for most people.

Even if you mix in a variety of different scales, that'd just give you a more realistic variation in people's heights.

Considering the 'average' range in people's heights varies by over half a foot, with more extreme outliers in the 3 foot difference range, plus kids and other factors, being too much of a purist on such things always struck me as a little weird.

 Forar wrote:
Considering the 'average' range in people's heights varies by over half a foot, with more extreme outliers in the 3 foot difference range, plus kids and other factors, being too much of a purist on such things always struck me as a little weird.

So what are you saying?
My mistake is I got a bunch of "proper" 6mm vehicles so the Z scale looked a bit odd next to them.
220 I would be happy with.
The more "heroic" shapes may be necessary for survival of the model in general.
The "C in C" civilians in Solar Empire Marines look about the best though hard to give the impression of the thin figures of Lisa or Minmay but will do for any old guy.

Funny how in many forums X-com comes up but I am just imagining some scenario of trying to save / airlift out civilians from a Zent. raid.
Can drop them off near shelters: I could see having some 20 stands littered about and between shooting at each other and grabbing / attacking civilians it could get interesting.
Only way it would work is with structures at 4X the MDC however.
Wonder what MDC a car would be to hide behind?
Anyway, just further thoughts on how to expand the fun of the game, would be nice to see in some "advanced" rulebook... I will write my memoirs later.

Thanks all! Most of these links I have seen before but a few there I never, ever heard of and glad to be pointed to them.
What is even funnier is having miniatures pointed to at websites I HAD looked for civilians and found nothing: some of them are nasty to search.


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Oh yeah, almost forgot:
W.A.V.E.2.!.!.!.!

6mm scale is 1/285 or 1/288 scale, so my large collection of Ogre Miniatures should work along with Epic 40k??

I should get out the camera.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
6mm scale is 1/285 or 1/288 scale, so my large collection of Ogre Miniatures should work along with Epic 40k??
I should get out the camera.

"Large" collection of Ogre miniatures? Oh the jealousy I feel now.
I suddenly want to write conversion rules for an Ogre and see it cave Imperial Guard face... it would be "Epic"!
Similar(ish) scale for Battletech, I am trying to keep to 28mm and 6mm scale at the time... getting into 15 or 10 will just make my hobby habit all the more extreme.

"Should get out the camera"? Don't make me beg.
I had a very happy childhood playing Ogre, I liked playing the forces trying to take that thing out.
It always was a tough puzzle but I got good at it.

It's something like 150 Ogre minis - plenty enough for my purposes.

Fine, I'll take some pics over the weekend.

Ogre is still a great game, but the whole add S and determine ratios is pretty dated.

Just got the weekly update from Palladium... and totally not a spoiler alert.... there is no wave 2 info. In fact, the recent fashion trends at the Palladium office were discussed more than the 2/3 of sculpts remaining in the $1.4 million RRPGT project. I'm not kidding.

Ignore it and it will go away.
Along with any needed sales of their RRT overstock.
Idiots.
No disappointment here.
Probably hanging their hat on these new developments to get them out of the fire.
I foresee a good couple months of nothing.

 warboss wrote:
Just got the weekly update from Palladium... and totally not a spoiler alert.... there is no wave 2 info. In fact, the recent fashion trends at the Palladium office were discussed more than the 2/3 of sculpts remaining in the $1.4 million RRPGT project. I'm not kidding.

To be fair, he did say before the Open House that there'd pretty much be nothing said on RRT until the first week of June. Now, I expected that to mean there'd be little information at all, with Wayne on holiday and according to some reports, Jeff being donkeyed. But given he's been pretty verbose, the lack of information is definitely "Why?".

I do find the blatant pushing of trinkets to be more than a little scuzzy. Especially the pushing of the RPE's of Robotech Marines and Rifts Coalition as collectibles. I'm not sure what the size of a preview print run is, but 128 seems a bit high (by several orders of magnitude*). Given that the books are incomplete, and being charged almost full retail, it just seems to scream "We want the rabid fans to buy this twice! Please! Buy this twice!". Either PB are in serious financial straits, or Kevin is the contemporary world version of Discworld's Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler. Neither is a particularly good look.

* Pop! Pop!

Yeah, when you're talking about 'people' who are 8-9mm tall instead of 6mm tall, it's basically going to be impossible to judge at a distance for most people.

I collect 6mm and the difference between 6mm Heroics and Ross, which measure up to about 5mm and 6mm Baccus, which stand about 8mm tall, is noticeable.



It is like saying the difference between 30mm and 45mm is minor because people come in different heights.

It is especially notable when you put outsized humans next to 1/285 or 1/300 vehicles and buildings. Even 1/300 vehicles look small next to 1/285.

But, as I wrote, if it isn't something you care too much about, then z scale may work for you.

OMG, haha, I have some 10mm Warmaster minis. Obviously, it'll just be normal human variation between Warmaster and Ogre Minis / Epic.

@n815e: Those "Irregular" are awesome in detail for the size.
Any civilians or flight crew would be ideal looking like that.

Lined up side by side on a 2d plane beside a ruler? Sure.

From 1-3+ feet away on a game table?

Please.

I mean hell, those things are blown up to, what, ten times actual size? Let's look at a quick and dirty 'close to real life size'MSPaint job.

Yeah, at a distance I really couldn't be bothered to worry that one figure is 7mm and the other is 6.

Plus, it's a bit disingenuous to compare different companies works. Obviously some are accentuating certain proportions, presumably in part because that stuff is pretty damned small. Damn, the hafts on those halbard'ish weapons must be a good foot thick, omg my immersions are ruined!

That detail is mouthwatering!


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Morgan Vening wrote:
To be fair, he did say before the Open House that there'd pretty much be nothing said on RRT until the first week of June. Now, I expected that to mean there'd be little information at all, with Wayne on holiday and according to some reports, Jeff being donkeyed. But given he's been pretty verbose, the lack of information is definitely "Why?".

I know they full out admitted that they'd be completely worthless till the beginning of June but it still sucks to see them give an hour by hour rundown of the open house, Kathy's partial recipe for potato salad, and the current fashion trends around the office while for months prior to the admission of their uselessness they gave us less real info than any of that. I seriously just want this ks fulfilled so that I can likely only think about it once every few months in a "too bad..." sort of way.

Well, finally managed to sell away my RRT core box. Now I'm just left with the extras and the freebies to sell away somehow. Would have been easier if they actually put them in boxes instead of bare sprues.

I am finding that the 1st wave units are not enough for any extended replay value.
I am leaning more on terrain and scenarios to keep it interesting.
Luckily, I had not put together any area effect missile launching units yet so I can draw things out further.
Stay tuned for various complaints of how those work... I suspect comments of OTT or "oh the humanity!".

When playing Malifaux, my friends and I would also try offbeat points values, often lower than normal. I find it interesting to see what choices are made when working within limits. Having enough points to field everything isn't nearly as fascinating for me.

Plus they may lead to slightly quicker games, so more opportunities to start over and try again with a new variation. How about 280 points instead of 300? 150 points using Support cards only (no squads, basically a half sized game)? Stuff like that.

Really? An Add?