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Ok I'm sure this has been worked into the ground, but I'm having a hard time finding anything in the search.

Anyways my question is if I have a character that's closest to the firing squad and 4 other normal guys with him and I take wound and I elect to LOS, Do the wounds keep going to the next closest guy as long as im passing the LOS, until I fail and he dies? Basically I want to know if of the 4 normal guys in my squad can each take multi LOS if they keep passing their armor saves?
   
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Psycked wrote:
Basically I want to know if of the 4 normal guys in my squad can each take multi LOS if they keep passing their armor saves?


yes, the only limits to the number of LOS rolls are you either run out of minions to hide behind, or the character dies.

 
   
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Ok so if I have 4 normal space marines and a Sargent, I can only take a LOS 4 times?
   
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If you need to take 4 LOS rolls then yes because the unit all have the same save. in this case you take the saves first then roll LOS for them one at a time, taking off a normal marine until you fail one then you take the serg.

if you have different saves eg a captain in termy armour or some models in cover against AP3 or better, you do the LOS first one a t a time then you take saving throws afterwards. in this case you could potentially take many LOS rolls.

 
   
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Psycked wrote:
Ok so if I have 4 normal space marines and a Sargent, I can only take a LOS 4 times?

If you then fail all 4 saves, yes

You can keep taking LOS! while you have other models still alive in your unit within 6"
   
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spongemonkee wrote:
If you need to take 4 LOS rolls then yes because the unit all have the same save. in this case you take the saves first then roll LOS for them one at a time, taking off a normal marine until you fail one then you take the serg.

if you have different saves eg a captain in termy armour or some models in cover against AP3 or better, you do the LOS first one a t a time then you take saving throws afterwards. in this case you could potentially take many LOS rolls.

Read the errata - they changed how LOS works. If there is a character in the unit you always follow the mixed save rules.

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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge




LOS goes to the nearest model now. (Feb ERRATA)

"Determine which model in the unit is closest to the character, and resolve the Wound against that model instead."

The way I think it's done is:

For any wound allocated to your character:

1. Take LOS
2. Resolve wound on either original char (if LOS failed or refused)
or
Determine closest model (randomly if 2 or more models are same distance away) and resolve wounds against that model instead.

You should resolve Wounds one at a time in case the character dies in which case the remaining wounds are allocated as per usual.

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rigeld2 wrote:
spongemonkee wrote:
If you need to take 4 LOS rolls then yes because the unit all have the same save. in this case you take the saves first then roll LOS for them one at a time, taking off a normal marine until you fail one then you take the serg.

if you have different saves eg a captain in termy armour or some models in cover against AP3 or better, you do the LOS first one a t a time then you take saving throws afterwards. in this case you could potentially take many LOS rolls.

Read the errata - they changed how LOS works. If there is a character in the unit you always follow the mixed save rules.


True but if the models have the same saves the result will be the same, it's just a long winded way of getting to the same conclusion.

 
   
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I tend to do things step by step in these situations just because with all of the different variables it's best to be careful.

I take the wording of the errata to mean that the closest model in the unit to the character takes the wound even if it's out of sight of the firer - potentially allowing you to kill models hidden deep in cover. This is supposed to represent the model dashing into the line of fire to protect his chief.

This can potentially make a big difference in how many casualities you take.
   
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spongemonkee wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
spongemonkee wrote:
If you need to take 4 LOS rolls then yes because the unit all have the same save. in this case you take the saves first then roll LOS for them one at a time, taking off a normal marine until you fail one then you take the serg.

if you have different saves eg a captain in termy armour or some models in cover against AP3 or better, you do the LOS first one a t a time then you take saving throws afterwards. in this case you could potentially take many LOS rolls.

Read the errata - they changed how LOS works. If there is a character in the unit you always follow the mixed save rules.


True but if the models have the same saves the result will be the same, it's just a long winded way of getting to the same conclusion.

It's not the same. Saves first mean you only roll LOS for wounds you know you'll be taking. In other words, you could "save" a model by taking a wound on the character, whereas if you did LOS first (like the rules say) you might end up killing off that melta gun.

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Just another note, there is no 6" limitation on LOS! any more. They replaced the sentence that contained it so in theory you could conga line the wound quite a distance away.

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 Gravmyr wrote:
Just another note, there is no 6" limitation on LOS! any more. They replaced the sentence that contained it so in theory you could conga line the wound quite a distance away.
Not quite, I'd thought this until it was pointed out to me that although they've errata'd away the mention of 6" in the second bullet point, LoS still requires "another model from the same unit within 6"," in the opening sentence.
   
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Just outside Chicago

I hope I can get a follow up to this...how does the precision shooting rule work with LOS. Seems kinda cheesy to let me pick a target to shoot and then an avalanche of LOS means it really didn't matter anyway...

My dice are trying to get me killed 
   
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Thom1112 wrote:
I hope I can get a follow up to this...how does the precision shooting rule work with LOS. Seems kinda cheesy to let me pick a target to shoot and then an avalanche of LOS means it really didn't matter anyway...
The only Precision Shots that ignore LoS! are from the Vindicare Assassin.
Try aiming to take out special weapon troopers instead of Sergeants?
   
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Chicago, IL

Thom1112 wrote:
I hope I can get a follow up to this...how does the precision shooting rule work with LOS. Seems kinda cheesy to let me pick a target to shoot and then an avalanche of LOS means it really didn't matter anyway...
Remember that only IC's get a 2+ to Look Out Sir.

Non-Independant Characters only get a 4+, so you can kill non-Independant characters easier than IC's.

and it only does not matter if they pass the Look Out Sir roll.

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