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Are you attacking a barricade? Because to hit chances are halved for that target.

Need more bodies in Gelasius: they've taken out Manchu leaving just me inside.

 Casey's Law wrote:
your interpretation of Barhah isn't the same as the one expressed in the wiki

Very true. If you just go by the wiki entry, you'll find a rather empty concept.

 Casey's Law wrote:
So allow me to extract the essence of Barhah and present it as a strategy which most effeciently achieves our ideals

Well, again, don't confuse tactics for strategy. The strategic question is "what do we want to do?" The tactical question is "how do we want to accomplish it?" That said, I don't disagree with the tactics you describe because I think they can help achieve the barhah strategy. The issue of barhah strategy is what constitutes zombahz victory? Put most pragmatically, zombahz are winning (our victory is not an endpoint) when survivors are spending AP to use their resources faster than they can gather them.

Examples include
- when cades are being torn down faster than they can be reinforced
- when ammo, medkits, and needles are being consumed faster than they can be replenished
- when harmanz spend more time fleeing than cading
- when more survivors are waiting for revives than providing them

The classic tactic for achieving these strategic goals is forming a megahorde, boiling things down to zombahz just having more (much, much more) AP than harmanz. I salute JB's and others' efforts to swell the ranks of the Nurglings. But we are not going to be a megahorde any time soon. Even worse, it is the survivors who have the numbers advantage. I agree with Shax and HFP that overcoming the AP deficit is a major challenge for us.

That said, the AP battle is not strictly one-for-one. I just mentioned that the megahorde tactic relies on having much, much more AP than defending harmanz. This isn't just a matter of there being more zombahz than harmanz. Harmanz have a wider range of options when it comes to spending AP, which means they require more coordination to be effective. The comparative simplicity of zombahood gives rise to the myth of hive mind. The truth behind hivemind is that zombahz only need coordinate target and time.

 Manchu wrote:

 Casey's Law wrote:
your interpretation of Barhah isn't the same as the one expressed in the wiki

Very true. If you just go by the wiki entry, you'll find a rather empty concept.

I completely agree, the ideals you express aren't remotely vacuous like those in the wiki.

 Manchu wrote:

 Casey's Law wrote:
So allow me to extract the essence of Barhah and present it as a strategy which most effeciently achieves our ideals

Well, again, don't confuse tactics for strategy. The strategic question is "what do we want to do?" The tactical question is "how do we want to accomplish it?" That said, I don't disagree with the tactics you describe because I think they can help achieve the barhah strategy. The issue of barhah strategy is what constitutes zombahz victory? *snip*

True, this is a wording issue on my part rather than a misunderstanding of concept.

I actually believe that realisation of our ideals is to achieve a balance of harman to zambah combat ergo creating an eternal struggle in which we are the victors but the harmanz believe there are no victors. I think the tactics I suggested express that within our area of influence.

Now let's imagine for a moment we achieve our goal of endless combat and victory that I have suggested. If at this point circumstances outwith our influence range put the harman population into decline as, the zambah population is now, then our Barhah would transfer to being a harman concept. We would embrace the needle and the concept would turn on it's head. Correct?

If that is the case then are we in fact the self proclaimed, philosophical custodians of Urban Dead? Which, I think you'll find, is awesome.

 Casey's Law wrote:
If at this point circumstances outwith our influence range put the harman population into decline as, the zambah population is now, then our Barhah would transfer to being a harman concept.

Do you mean, would we play survivors at that point? Sure, probably with alts. But barhah would remain what it is, just as the survivor mindset remains what it is with the currently shrinking zambah population. And I doubt the harmanz' numbers will ever crash like the zambahz' have for the simple reason that humans (that is, folks who play Urban Dead) tend to think like harmanz rather than zambahz, which is the very thing that got us into this mess to begin with. I should clarify, what I mean by "marginalization" is twofold. This issue is not just a declining population and the attendant end of Urban Dead. There's the further concern of zambah identity/culture/whatever you want to call it disappearing such that the shrinking number of us remaining face increasingly boring gameplay.

Dempsey DOWN
Simonetta at 56 HP

 Manchu wrote:
Do you mean, would we play survivors at that point? Sure, probably with alts. But barhah would remain what it is, just as the survivor mindset remains what it is with the currently shrinking zambah population. And I doubt the harmanz' numbers will ever crash like the zambahz' have for the simple reason that humans (that is, folks who play Urban Dead) tend to think like harmanz rather than zambahz, which is the very thing that got us into this mess to begin with. I should clarify, what I mean by "marginalization" is twofold. This issue is not just a declining population and the attendant end of Urban Dead. There's the further concern of zambah identity/culture/whatever you want to call it disappearing such that the shrinking number of us remaining face increasingly boring gameplay.

Haha yeh it was a hypothetical situation that I doubt would ever occur for the reason you already gave.

So, since Barhah is slightly more complex than the main idea expressed in my initial gameplan, it requires more action. Actions to cure the marginalization of cultural identity and boring gameplay will have to be a little different...

Culture thrives on it's practice, so what exactly are we attempting to preserve? Language? If so we have to actively encourage it's use.

Gameplay becoming increasingly boring is hard to fix from the perspective of the gamer and the developer isn't developing. The key is to colloborate with other gamers and to communicate.

Assuming I have understood your premise and you agree with my conclusion then the correct course of action is to continue communicating with the clan here on Dakka and encourage the use of communicating here and in game in Zamgrh.

33 HP left on Simonetta

errr... was i supposed to smash the radio transmitter? (i'm not sure if zombies can listen to radios - so i smashed it anyways)

 Jihadin wrote:
33 HP left on Simonetta

Where is she? I'm in St. John's Cathedral.

Running around now scared pantless


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Was in Daniels Mueseum

goodford road PD cades are down, someone open doors for me pls!

 easysauce wrote:
goodford road PD cades are down, someone open doors for me pls!

There are no humans in Goodford, only zombies.

IIII'mmmm still standing...

... but am down to 3hp. If someone could finish me off, I'm inside Gelasius, that'd be grand.

 Just Dave wrote:
IIII'mmmm still standing...

... but am down to 3hp. If someone could finish me off, I'm inside Gelasius, that'd be grand.

Done!

It took me seven swings though. You kept running around the room singing The Gingerbread Man song.

Uhh... Thanks?

I do frickin' love the gingerbread man song tbh.

 Just Dave wrote:
Uhh... Thanks?

I do frickin' love the gingerbread man song tbh.

But now I cannot get that silly song out of my head!


For anyone interested, Big Bash 4 will begin this Wednesday. See their info page. They will announce the starting suburb later this week.


Here in Vinetown, we are going to play a Human Hunting Game AKA A Fox Hunt.

The game officially begins at 0001 BST on Monday, 27 May, and ends at 0800 BST on Saturday morning, 1 June, which should allow everyone five evenings to find the prey. For those in North America, those times translate to 6:01 PM on Sunday thru 2 AM on Saturday. That might give the North Americans a bit of an advantage but probably not since Just Dave will announce identified locations of the prey (those we know about) and he lives in England, so there won't be any tips until he is ready on Monday, the 27th.

The human targets are:

1812lsd
Berkman Frick
MrHappySocks
Sister Rita
Mick McManix
Damon Delacroix
John89

The objective is to score points by landing the killing blow for any of the targets, while they are human. No points awarded for killing them while they are zombies, but you can make a kill as a zombie or human. We require proof of a kill, either a screen capture/snip or a witness from our horde that is posted in this thread. You can get points for killing the same person multiple times should they be revivified during the week. However, no camping at revivification points.

You might want to group up with friendly zombies into kill teams. Tearing open the 'cades and eliminating a target is often more than a one zombie job.

All zombies and/or kill teams (with a cool name) that make a kill will be recognized on our Group Wiki Page.

To those about to make the harmanz die, we salute you!

 JB wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
Uhh... Thanks?

I do frickin' love the gingerbread man song tbh.

But now I cannot get that silly song out of my head!


For anyone interested, Big Bash 4 will begin this Wednesday. See their info page. They will announce the starting suburb later this week.


Here in Vinetown, we are going to play a Human Hunting Game AKA A Fox Hunt.

The game officially begins at 0001 BST on Monday, 27 May, and ends at 0800 BST on Saturday morning, 1 June, which should allow everyone five evenings to find the prey. For those in North America, those times translate to 6:01 PM on Sunday thru 2 AM on Saturday. That might give the North Americans a bit of an advantage but probably not since Just Dave will announce identified locations of the prey (those we know about) and he lives in England, so there won't be any tips until he is ready on Monday, the 27th.

The human targets are:

1812lsd
Berkman Frick
MrHappySocks
Sister Rita
Mick McManix
Damon Delacroix
John89

The objective is to score points by landing the killing blow for any of the targets, while they are human. No points awarded for killing them while they are zombies, but you can make a kill as a zombie or human. We require proof of a kill, either a screen capture/snip or a witness from our horde that is posted in this thread. You can get points for killing the same person multiple times should they be revivified during the week. However, no camping at revivification points.

You might want to group up with friendly zombies into kill teams. Tearing open the 'cades and eliminating a target is often more than a one zombie job.

All zombies and/or kill teams (with a cool name) that make a kill will be recognized on our Group Wiki Page.

To those about to make the harmanz die, we salute you!

Got to get to Vinetown in time for this

Boned Daniels.


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This is a great idea JB, well done buddy.

I'm not too interested in setting up a team but my char is buyable if anyone wants Zombie's Law on their side. Just make your case and I'll join someone on the hunt. Bare in mind I'm GMT time 9ish to 12ish.

Chatwin at QSB.

I think I'll just free-roam for the fox hunt and mix things up as I can.
I agree though, great idea. Keep holding Gelasius and Shyar though lads.

Chatwin is open.

JB, Fox Hunt = Excellent!

Bullockist wrote:
errr... was i supposed to smash the radio transmitter? (i'm not sure if zombies can listen to radios - so i smashed it anyways)

Zombies can if they have a radio on them when they become zombies...

Ruined Chatwin.

People probably want to split up into kill teams of up to 5 people for the fox-hunt. Silly team names welcome!

 Just Dave wrote:
People probably want to split up into kill teams of up to 5 people for the fox-hunt. Silly team names welcome!

As Dave pointed out, the Fox Hunt requires teams in order to successfully dig the foxes out of their little warm burrows.

Kill Teams consist of five or fewer members. To speed up the formation of teams, I suggest the following:

1. Team DUPAY
HiveFleetPlastic
Shax
Bullockist
Eldarcaveman
Doctadeth

2. Team Biters
Jihadin
easysauce
Scrabb
TheDiscoSpider
----

3. Team Bashers
kronk
Azazel the Cat
DA's Forever
Bromsy
EDIT: + Azenine

4. Team Tyrant
polaria
Azenine
Eetion
Noctus Comix
Tanith Ghost

5. Team Europa
The Blind Hunter
Master of Ordinance
DarkApostle666
notprop
Steve steveson

6. Team UK
Phantommaster
Verses
BeastWarrior
Albatross
cpl-hicks

7. Team Old Guard
Monster Rain
Fitzz
Grakmar
d-usa

Non-aligned
Manchu
Casey's Law
Morathi's Darkest Sin
Purplefood
Just Dave
JB

Feel free to come up with better team names and work out team swaps if you really want to join a different team.

Did I leave anyone out?

BTW, DUPAY stands for Down Under Plus A Yank.

ADDED: Points system
Five Points for killing a target
One Point for killing another human (but not Free Chicken)

Great Idea Jb! For anyone not overly interested in the fox hunt "A Factory" On the left edge of Vinetown has two humans in it.

The harmanz in the West Factory are dead, but we ran out of AP and the generator and radio are still working.

 DA's Forever wrote:
Great Idea Jb! For anyone not overly interested in the fox hunt "A Factory" On the left edge of Vinetown has two humans in it.

The Fox Hunt doesn't begin for 27 more hours so everyone can use up all the AP they have right now and still start the hunt with a full 50 AP on Monday morning.

Points will be awarded for all humans killed but the primary targets are worth 5X the points.



EDIT: There is a human standing outside of Chatwin Library. He is named howdoyougetthem and he has 26 HP.

Chicken...

The teams look good JB!

DAF, I'll drop you a pm.

Manchu, no need to reply to my last message to you unless you really want to. I'm not really sure our conversation had a sense of purpose! The useful thing that came of it was the tactics I proposed. We should give that a go, what do you think JB?

What I like is that the tactics you proposed are basically what we're doing at the moment.

We left Mitchem for them to retake and repopulate, whilst we took their HQ's of Gelasius and Shyar (also serving to piss off the relevant groups), before we'll return to Mitchem again; with it being full of delightful morsels/mortals and serving as a tactical resource.

Yeah, Next time we crack Mitchem it'll be FULL of chicken