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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander





Ramsden Heath, Essex

To be fair I blame the victim first then then MoO - it is our way here. The messed up punk can't even spell Ordnance correctly. Alas it was there for all to see.

As an old man in this brave new world of interntz I find this all perplexing but am impotently outraged as I fear I do not understand what the last page was all about.

Still as an Englisman stiff upper lip and all that chaps, were a zed down and this Burb ain't going to wreck itself. I'll put an ad in the Papers. I suggest;

ZEDS WANTED: fun loving but active killers wanted. Must have own claws and clothes are a definite bonus. Jazz hands skillz important but not essential, must be a team player. Text Rapists need not apply.

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Longtime Dakkanaut





United Kingdom

 Alfndrate wrote:
JB, check the DCM nurgling thread.


Wait there is a DCM Nurgling thread! Now I got to get my membership!

   
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot





Minnesota

Eldercaveman wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
JB, check the DCM nurgling thread.


Wait there is a DCM Nurgling thread! Now I got to get my membership!


I know right?! They are holding out on use nonexclusive guys!

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

I'm not in favor of expulsion. The offense is heinous indeed and we generally expect everyone to behave in UD as they behave on Dakka, but we never made that a written rule.

It's also the internet and some people feel the behavioral boundaries are unlimited. I don't subscribe to that belief but it is common enough to lead people astray.

I would prefer to either let him be judged by a jury of his peers (i.e. not DCMs or MODs) or put him on probation for six months, make him apologize in the Wiki, and/or put an apology in his UD character description.

In any case, we need to explicitly make it a rule to behave in UD as you behave (verbally) on Dakka. We can post that rule in several places including this thread OP, on our Wiki page, and in our Sigs if you have one that is UD related.

The secret to painting a really big army is to keep at it. You can't reach your destination if you never take any steps.

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Ramsden Heath, Essex

Jillard is open, empty and ruined.

As to trial by peers - I prefer THUNDERDOME!

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As I'm a Mod, I'm not sure if I will count in this or not---but given what was typed, I would say he needs excluded from the group (If it was indeed him, which it sadly appears it was).

Regardless of how internet anonymity loosens some users...moral boundaries...that text was over the top tasteless/crass.

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Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

JB, I completely disagree.

First, we do not need to write down every single heinous thing someone might conceivably do in order to expel them for actually doing it.

Second, now that this has happened I think we do need to have it written down so that other groups know we don't accept such behavior. That is why I updated the Wiki page.

Third, I don't understand what is meant by "judged by a jury of his peers." We have a post by MoO saying he text raped another player. We have a screen shot of it actually happening. What is in question? MoO can speak for himself if he chooses but until then the matter is self-evident.

Fourth, as to the idea of a probation period or somesuch, I'm amenable to that subject to the unanimous approval of other members. It needs to be no less than one year, however. If MoO still has any interest in this group at that point, he can rejoin.

Fifth, as to the expulsion itself: there's obviously no way for anyone but MoO to change his UD profile so that he is not affiliated with the Nurglings. I simply ask him to do so as a matter of decency.

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Tunneling Trygon





Nottinghamshire- England

I vote Aye to the Expulsion.

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Made in de
Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

 Manchu wrote:
JB, I completely disagree.

First, we do not need to write down every single heinous thing someone might conceivably do in order to expel them for actually doing it.

Second, now that this has happened I think we do need to have it written down so that other groups know we don't accept such behavior. That is why I updated the Wiki page.

Third, I don't understand what is meant by "judged by a jury of his peers." We have a post by MoO saying he text raped another player. We have a screen shot of it actually happening. What is in question? MoO can speak for himself if he chooses but until then the matter is self-evident.

Fourth, as to the idea of a probation period or somesuch, I amenable to that subject to the unanimous approval of other members. It needs to be no less than one year, however. If MoO still has any interest in this group at that point, he can rejoin.

Fifth, as to the expulsion itself: there's obviously no way for anyone but MoO to change his UD profile so that he is not affiliated with the Nurglings. I simply ask him to do so as a matter of decency.

The jury is not to decide if he is guilty. It is only to decide on a fitting punishment. Perhaps it might be better named as a tribunal?

A one year expulsion or probation? I'm OK either way but once again, I think a group of his peers should decide. You are a MOD and I'm a DCM and there will be a perception of bias/eliteness/general tyranny that I would prefer to avoid since this decision will set a lasting precedent. I can ask six of our non-DCM zeds to recommend a fitting punishment and keep the discussion going in PM until a final vote. MoO should know who the members are that are involved but their actual votes/recommendations would remain anonymous.

Agreed, MoO has to change his group affiliation if the decision is to expel him, but that is something that he has to do on his own. I think it would show character for him to do so, if he is expelled, and also for him to apologize for the misconduct in some fashion.

I added a two line Code of Conduct to the thread's Original Post. See if that is enough. Everyone in the horde should feel free to comment as well.



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Solahma






RVA

I'm okay with that with the conditions I outlined:

Members can vote for one-year exile but if the vote is not unanimous it's permanent. I will abstain as everyone already knows my vote.

It should be otherwise unanimous because the whole group will be affected by this in terms of reputation. I want anyone else who comes to this thread to see that we take this seriously.

We get enough lies thrown at us. I don't want any more accusations proving true.

   
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United Kingdom

Before I pass my vote on this, is there anyway we can enforce any sort of ban either in the game, or within this group on Dakka?

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

We have 25 active members other than MoO. I'm including MODs and DCMs.

How about everyone PM me their vote?

The choices will be (within the guidelines that I believe you wanted):

Choice A: Permanent Ban of MoO

Choice B: One year ban of MoO (30 OCT 13 - 31 OCT 14). Eligible to apply for membership on 1 November 2014.

Everyone voting makes it fair for all, including DCMs and MODs.

Is that a satisfactory solution?

I'll abstain because I deal with enough life altering decisions at work. Off-duty, I would rather not run an autocracy.



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Solahma






RVA

Eldercaveman wrote:
Before I pass my vote on this, is there anyway we can enforce any sort of ban either in the game, or within this group on Dakka?
Can't do anything in the game, AgeofEgos and I can probably do stuff on Dakka.


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 JB wrote:
How about everyone PM me their vote?
Sounds good.

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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

Eldercaveman wrote:
Before I pass my vote on this, is there anyway we can enforce any sort of ban either in the game, or within this group on Dakka?


Not that I'm aware of, which is why it is helpful to throw him a bone so that he has a reason (other than character) to comply.

He was overzealous and his deed was way wrong, but when you exile someone forever, they have no reason not to just become your anti-christ.


The secret to painting a really big army is to keep at it. You can't reach your destination if you never take any steps.

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Solahma






RVA

 JB wrote:
they have no reason not to just become your anti-christ
I'm not sure we want to go easy on a "keep you enemies closer" basis.

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

 Manchu wrote:
 JB wrote:
they have no reason not to just become your anti-christ
I'm not sure we want to go easy on a "keep you enemies closer" basis.

I'm leery of using the term "enemy" even in jest. Hate the deed, not the doer. He needs to accept punishment, apologize, and change his behavior but let's not demonize him.



EDIT: Two vote so far. Everyone please PM me your vote.

Choice A: Permanent Expulsion of MoO from The Nurglings

Choice B: One year expulsion of MoO (30 OCT 13 - 31 OCT 14). Eligible to apply for membership on 1 November 2014.

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The secret to painting a really big army is to keep at it. You can't reach your destination if you never take any steps.

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Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





United Kingdom

Will the one year vote come with a reoffending clause of a permanent ban.

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

Eldercaveman wrote:
Will the one year vote come with a reoffending clause of a permanent ban.


I'll leave that up to Manchu. I'm not into being judge and jury tonight. I get enough of that at work.

My opinion, is that anyone sloppy enough to put their hand on a hot plate twice should be banned permanently. The alternative would be to have another vote, in that circumstance, but how do you think people will vote the second time?


The secret to painting a really big army is to keep at it. You can't reach your destination if you never take any steps.

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Made in us
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Solahma






RVA

 JB wrote:
they have no reason not to just become your anti-christ
 JB wrote:
let's not demonize him


All I mean is, let's not make decisions based on hypothetical hostage taking. Aside from this, I have no reason to believe MoO is a bad guy. I just think this is a bad, bad stain on the group's reputation.


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Eldercaveman wrote:
Will the one year vote come with a reoffending clause of a permanent ban.
Absolutely.

And I hope everyone understands we're all on notice here. Anyone who sees this happen needs to make it known. I can only imagine it slipped by us this time because it's normally beyond the pale.

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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

Well, it slipped by me because until now I didn't know what a text rape was. I kind of wish I didn't know now.

MoO is a 19 or 20 year old. He's got some growing up to do, but I don't think you will change his behavior by kicking him out forever. You change behavior better by getting a tight grip on him and showing him the correct way to represent the group and Dakka Dakka.

EDIT: Three votes so far. Everyone please PM me your vote.

Choice A: Permanent Expulsion of MoO from The Nurglings for text raping in Urban Dead

Choice B: One year expulsion of MoO (30 OCT 13 - 31 OCT 14). Eligible to apply for membership on 1 November 2014.






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 Jihadin wrote:
Making my way down from Rhodenbank

THIS is GREAT news! And I'm not being sarcastic! Welcome back, Old Bean! Find Kronk and nut punch him for old times sake!

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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers






preston

Hell, ive just been through the stuff.

Okay then, ill explain:

Firstly, i would like to thank our benovolent leader for giving me this chance. Some of you are pretty damn extreme.
Okay, so clause A: I was, sadly not aware of all of the rules. I dont tend to backpedal through a thread, and as such have not read the rules. Not an excuse and definetly my bad.
Clause B: I actually only have vague memories of it. Ive been having a rough week, and due to several things including a lack of sleep and some family issues as well as other stuff. From what i remember, i was in one of those "What the hell screw the world, i feel like piss and so should everyone else" moods. The ones where you just want to do stuff, and your not even sure why.
This probably culminated in the afformentioned actions being done as a kind of "experiment" too see what the surviors reactions where.

MoO, ashamed zombie.

P.S. i apologize for the bad grammar. Im currently munching custard creams to stay awake. Its the first time ive been able to get on my computer in a while due to my little brother taking it over for "Homework"(read "games") and spending hours on it, until my mum refuses to let the internet stay on any longer.

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Solahma






RVA

 JB wrote:
I don't think you will change his behavior by kicking him out forever
Agreed, but this is not my immediate goal or concern.
 master of ordinance wrote:
Some of you are pretty damn extreme.
I'm sorry to say it, MoO, but I don't think you should be throwing around "extreme" in light of the content of this text rape stuff. Now, are you saying you didn't know it was a bad idea to text rape? Or are you saying you knew it was pretty awful and posted it because you were in a bad mood?

   
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Just as an aside JB, you're a class act--and I mean that. Hopefully one day you'll find your way back across the pond and blow us up with your guard again!

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Tunneling Trygon





Nottinghamshire- England

 master of ordinance wrote:
Some of you are pretty damn extreme.


I daresay this is an example of Pot calling the Kettle Black...

 master of ordinance wrote:
This probably culminated in the afformentioned actions being done as a kind of "experiment" too see what the surviors reactions where.


Being done as a kind of Experiment.... Good Lord...
I know i'm just a lowly Dakkite but jesus man... that's just Daft

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Solahma






RVA

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Just as an aside JB, you're a class act
Hear hear!

   
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United Kingdom

 Manchu wrote:
 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Just as an aside JB, you're a class act
Hear hear!


You're a smart fella JB...

   
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preston

 Manchu wrote:
 JB wrote:
I don't think you will change his behavior by kicking him out forever
Agreed, but this is not my immediate goal or concern.
 master of ordinance wrote:
Some of you are pretty damn extreme.
I'm sorry to say it, MoO, but I don't think you should be throwing around "extreme" in light of the content of this text rape stuff. Now, are you saying you didn't know it was a bad idea to text rape? Or are you saying you knew it was pretty awful and posted it because you were in a bad mood?


The Latter. And it was more of a black mood.

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Solahma






RVA

Thanks for being honest, MoO. I appreciate that.

   
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preston

 Manchu wrote:
Thanks for being honest, MoO. I appreciate that.

Your welcome.

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