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Ok not a noob question, i thought i knew how the hood worked. Until an opponent started denying my blessings with one!
Is this correct?

Deny the witch- is roll to stop enemy powers from succeeding.
Hood-extends the protection of the wearer by 6 inches, the wearer is treated as being in the target unit!
So if i attempt to boost my troops within 6 inches of a enemy hoodlum he has the ability to DTW?

I belive he was correct.

He's not the target of your blessing, why should he be able to Deny it? The range is so the psyker can Deny instead of a friendly unit that gets targeted. Page 68, BRB.

edit: the 'hoods did use to work as your opponent remembers it ofc, but not anymore.

 Kapton Morgunz wrote:
Ok not a noob question, i thought i knew how the hood worked. Until an opponent started denying my blessings with one!
Is this correct?

Deny the witch- is roll to stop enemy powers from succeeding.
Hood-extends the protection of the wearer by 6 inches, the wearer is treated as being in the target unit!
So if i attempt to boost my troops within 6 inches of a enemy hoodlum he has the ability to DTW?

I belive he was correct.

I do not believe he can DTW when you are targetting your own troops.

Yes, on p68 in the BRB it states that...

"If a psychic power is targeted on an enemy unit, and the Psychic test is passed, the target can attempt to Deny the Witch before the psychic power is resolved" 2nd Paragraph, BRB

So no, you cannot deny blessings. They do not affect the enemy models, so they have no reason to do so. The 'Hood only makes a bubble of psychic protection.

As above, your opponent has probably the 5th ed. psychic hoods in mind, which could nullify any power within 24"

OP Was it a librarian or was it a rune priest?
Space wolves can deny any psychic test within 24" of their psykers.

Librarian.

I know the bad ass version of the old hoods the space puppies have.

He argues that since the hood specifically reads. "count this model as if being part of/or being the target" that every enemy power cast within the hoods range is allowed the DTW roll.

I do believe it is meant as you all agree, but taken from the text i would disagree.

 Kapton Morgunz wrote:
Librarian.

I know the bad ass version of the old hoods the space puppies have.

He argues that since the hood specifically reads. "count this model as if being part of/or being the target" that every enemy power cast within the hoods range is allowed the DTW roll.

I do believe it is meant as you all agree, but taken from the text i would disagree.

Per the wording of psychic hood a friendly unit must be targeted by an enemy psychic power. Does the enemies blessings target a friendly unit?

If he counts as a member of the target unit, he counts as a friendly model. Friendly models can't DtW a friendly power.

THANKX all with new arguments i will assail the said transgressor.

 Grey Templar wrote:
If he counts as a member of the target unit, he counts as a friendly model. Friendly models can't DtW a friendly power.

Well of course, whats the point of casting a blessing if you are going to deny yourself.

 Timmy149 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
If he counts as a member of the target unit, he counts as a friendly model. Friendly models can't DtW a friendly power.

Well of course, whats the point of casting a blessing if you are going to deny yourself.

Well,if the blessing causes a hit, the model might not want to be "attacked".

Like certain "hostile blessings" ?

 Timmy149 wrote:
Yes, on p68 in the BRB it states that...

"If a psychic power is targeted on an enemy unit, and the Psychic test is passed, the target can attempt to Deny the Witch before the psychic power is resolved" 2nd Paragraph, BRB

So no, you cannot deny blessings. They do not affect the enemy models, so they have no reason to do so. The 'Hood only makes a bubble of psychic protection.

This isn't what the book says. Please try to keep quotes accurate if you're going to cite a page number. What you gave is an interpretation of what the poorly worded rule says. Poorly worded rule follows, brb, pg 68:

Each time a unit or model is targeted by an enemy psychic power and is within 6" of a friendly model with a psychic hood, the wearer of the hood can attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in that unit.

It's ambiguous due to the first part of the sentence, which states "a unit or model is targeted". It doesn't specify that the unit or model targeted has to be friendly. The section later in the sentence which says "within 6 of a friendly model with a psychic hood" could be argued to mean that "friendly" is player-specific, rather than unit-specific. Meaning, the unit with the hood is friendly to the controlling player, rather than the effected unit. Under this interpretation, it would be allowed to DtW blessings.

If you read that rule from the perspective of the user of the hood, all the requirements of said rule are fulfilled when DtWing a blessing on an enemy unit. All of your opponents units/models are enemies, while all of your models/units are friendly. Is a unit or model targeted by an enemy psyker? Yes. Is the targeted unit within 6" of a friendly psyker with a hood? Yes.

This is clearly not the intention, as the fluff statement right before the mechanics states (paraphrasing): Psychic hoods allow the librarian to extend his psychic protection to his allies. But the mechanics are certainly worded poorly enough to allow debate on the issue, unfortunately.

 BetrayTheWorld wrote:

 Timmy149 wrote:
Yes, on p68 in the BRB it states that...

"If a psychic power is targeted on an enemy unit, and the Psychic test is passed, the target can attempt to Deny the Witch before the psychic power is resolved" 2nd Paragraph, BRB

So no, you cannot deny blessings. They do not affect the enemy models, so they have no reason to do so. The 'Hood only makes a bubble of psychic protection.

This isn't what the book says. Please try to keep quotes accurate if you're going to cite a page number. What you gave is an interpretation of what the poorly worded rule says. Poorly worded rule follows, brb, pg 68:

Each time a unit or model is targeted by an enemy psychic power and is within 6" of a friendly model with a psychic hood, the wearer of the hood can attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in that unit.

It's ambiguous due to the first part of the sentence, which states "a unit or model is targeted". It doesn't specify that the unit or model targeted has to be friendly. The section later in the sentence which says "within 6 of a friendly model with a psychic hood" could be argued to mean that "friendly" is player-specific, rather than unit-specific. Meaning, the unit with the hood is friendly to the controlling player, rather than the effected unit. Under this interpretation, it would be allowed to DtW blessings.

If you read that rule from the perspective of the user of the hood, all the requirements of said rule are fulfilled when DtWing a blessing on an enemy unit. All of your opponents units/models are enemies, while all of your models/units are friendly. Is a unit or model targeted by an enemy psyker? Yes. Is the targeted unit within 6" of a friendly psyker with a hood? Yes.

This is clearly not the intention, as the fluff statement right before the mechanics states (paraphrasing): Psychic hoods allow the librarian to extend his psychic protection to his allies. But the mechanics are certainly worded poorly enough to allow debate on the issue, unfortunately.

I merely quoted DENY THE WITCH not psychic hoods. If you take both sentences, it can be derived that you CANNOT deny a blessing. Also the book DOES state this. Under Deny the Witch.

 BetrayTheWorld wrote:

Poorly worded rule follows, brb, pg 68:

Each time a unit or model is targeted by an enemy psychic power and is within 6" of a friendly model with a psychic hood, the wearer of the hood can attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in that unit.

It's ambiguous due to the first part of the sentence, which states "a unit or model is targeted". It doesn't specify that the unit or model targeted has to be friendly. The section later in the sentence which says "within 6 of a friendly model with a psychic hood" could be argued to mean that "friendly" is player-specific, rather than unit-specific. Meaning, the unit with the hood is friendly to the controlling player, rather than the effected unit. Under this interpretation, it would be allowed to DtW blessings.

The subject of the sentence appears to me to be the 'unit or model'. The adjectives 'enemy' and 'friendly' relate to the subject of the sentence. If the unit targeted is not friendly to the psychic hood wearer, no DtW, per English Grammar.

And that's as much as I'm going to say about any further RAW discussion...

 BetrayTheWorld wrote:
Meaning, the unit with the hood is friendly to the controlling player, rather than the effected unit.

How do you tell if your models are friendly? I tried inviting mine out for a drink, but they just ignored me...


In the context of the quoted text, the 'friendly' is quite clearly talking about the models.

Again, I'm not attempting to debate for that interpretation. Simply putting out there that the wording creates confusion, and makes it an argument that may come up.

As far as I know very few items are left in the game that can stop a blessing. The only one that comes to mind is rune priests from Space Wolves.

You Can't stop a blessing unless your Space Wolves.

BRB pg 68 "To Deny the Witch, the target's controlling player rolls a D6. If the roll is a 6, then the psychich..."

you can't DTW a blessing since your not the controlling player of the targeted psychic power.

Nefrugle wrote:
You Can't stop a blessing unless your Space Wolves.

BRB pg 68 "To Deny the Witch, the target's controlling player rolls a D6. If the roll is a 6, then the psychich..."

you can't DTW a blessing since your not the controlling player of the targeted psychic power.

which is exactly my point. it states the target's controlling player. The hood means you can deny in that player's controlling unit's stead