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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It must grate to find something on Mother Jones that is apparently true.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

 azazel the cat wrote:

Nobody is claiming that the 2nd amendment isn't a thing. We're claiming that it might be better if it wasn't. Do you see the difference there?

Well then "we" can garner enough votes to support overturning the amendment through normal means of amending the US constitution. And by "we" I mean not you actually, you cute little Canadian feren devil you!



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 whembly wrote:
Yes... they're fething huge and scary!

And they're dumb as a box of rocks too...

Hey! Quit talking about me behind my back, er uh...nevermind.

 Grundz wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yes... they're fething huge and scary!

And they're dumb as a box of rocks too...

so you're saying if djones520 came under attack by mooses, his ar15 may be inadequate?
MGL's for all!

I've seen 'em up close... I'd want something bigger than the AR15.


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 Frazzled wrote:

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 whembly wrote:
Yes... they're fething huge and scary!

And they're dumb as a box of rocks too...

Hey! Quit talking about me behind my back, er uh...nevermind.

Center Mass Whembly...center mass...no headshots your not that damn good....always go center mass and if your weapon jam make sure you know "SPORTS" and can actually do it without thinking to get back in the fight. If perp stupid enough to advance on you while doing "SPORTS" Spear the barrel into his breast bone. That will take the fight out of him. Quite effective. I've done it enough times. JUST DO NOT SHOOT HIM WHILE HE IS THE GROUND. You can though kick the ever loving crap out of his wrist and hand to distance his weapon from himself.

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Frazzled wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Nobody is claiming that the 2nd amendment isn't a thing. We're claiming that it might be better if it wasn't. Do you see the difference there?

Well then "we" can garner enough votes to support overturning the amendment through normal means of amending the US constitution. And by "we" I mean not you actually, you cute little Canadian feren devil you!

Yup!

Jihadin wrote:Center Mass Whembly...center mass...no headshots your not that damn good....always go center mass and if your weapon jam make sure you know "SPORTS" and can actually do it without thinking to get back in the fight. If perp stupid enough to advance on you while doing "SPORTS" Spear the barrel into his breast bone. That will take the fight out of him. Quite effective. I've done it enough times. JUST DO NOT SHOOT HIM WHILE HE IS THE GROUND. You can though kick the ever loving crap out of his wrist and hand to distance his weapon from himself.

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Why not shoot when the attacker is on the ground? I know it varies from country to country, but I'd certainly consider an intruder on the ground to still be a threat so long as they've not yet proven to be unarmed and/or restrained.

SPORTS = Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, Tap and Shoot

I don't know what that means, though.

EDIT: Found this.

Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, Tap, Shoot.

Slaps gently upward on the magazine to ensure it is fully seated, and the magazine follower is not jammed.
Pulls the charging handle fully to the rear.
Observes for the ejection of a live round or expended cartridge. (If the weapon fails to eject a cartridge, perform remedial action.)
Releases the charging handle (do not ride it forward).
Taps the forward assist assembly to ensure bolt closure.
Squeezes the trigger and tries to fire the rifle.

If the perp is on the ground he's pretty much either going t bleed out eventually or about to die. If you fire a round into him while he is on the ground then you assisted in the process. You have then committed murder. If he's not making no noises or moaning and groaning and not making an effort to get back up then move back away from him after you distance his weapon from him and start thinking how much to replace the carpet thats being ruin....also paint for the wall. Remember...you want the the feeling you protected your home and family by putting down an aggressor. That's mentally easy on you. Which is more better then being question on "Why did you shoot him while he was on the ground" which your reply would be he trained his weapon back at me. There's a line between self defense and killing. I rather you have the self defense train of thought then the killing one.

 Grundz wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yes... they're fething huge and scary!

And they're dumb as a box of rocks too...

so you're saying if djones520 came under attack by mooses, his ar15 may be inadequate?
MGL's for all!

I don't have an AR-15. I have an AR-10. I prefer the greater stopping power that the larger bullet provides.

My next back up....is my M1 carbine....30 cal round....

Jihadin wrote:If the perp is on the ground he's pretty much either going t bleed out eventually or about to die. If you fire a round into him while he is on the ground then you assisted in the process. You have then committed murder. If he's not making no noises or moaning and groaning and not making an effort to get back up then move back away from him after you distance his weapon from him and start thinking how much to replace the carpet thats being ruin....also paint for the wall. Remember...you want the the feeling you protected your home and family by putting down an aggressor. That's mentally easy on you. Which is more better then being question on "Why did you shoot him while he was on the ground" which your reply would be he trained his weapon back at me. There's a line between self defense and killing. I rather you have the self defense train of thought then the killing one.

Ah, okay. Maybe I misread your post. I thought ya meant "don't shoot after you've knocked the attacker down (via rifle barrel to chest)". Which to me sounded odd.

 djones520 wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yes... they're fething huge and scary!

And they're dumb as a box of rocks too...

so you're saying if djones520 came under attack by mooses, his ar15 may be inadequate?
MGL's for all!

I don't have an AR-15. I have an AR-10. I prefer the greater stopping power that the larger bullet provides.

If I lived near where there are moose and bear I'd probably get something even bigger. Desert Eagle or a Smith and Wesson 500

There is little that a .308 round won't drop. I put down a 600lb hog with it last spring.

Cannon is still a viable anti-elk weapon right?

 Alfndrate wrote:
Cannon is still a viable anti-elk weapon right?

It even tenderizes and minces the meat up for you too

I hear if you do manage to kill an elk with your car you've basically pregrilled your meat.

People living in Kalamazoo may disagree with you given their track record on roadkill

http://www.officer.com/news/10897521/deer-jumps-from-trunk-startles-mich-police

 Jihadin wrote:
My next back up....is my M1 carbine....30 cal round....

Indeed I have one of those. They're so light even GC was banging away with it when she was about 12 and dead accurate. I always had this weird second image of Dad standing next to her giving her pointers when she did though. Crap there go the tears.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
My next back up....is my M1 carbine....30 cal round....

Indeed I have one of those. They're so light even GC was banging away with it when she was about 12 and dead accurate. I always had this weird second image of Dad standing next to her giving her pointers when she did though. Crap there go the tears.

I'm looking forward to making those memories with my kids.

 djones520 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
My next back up....is my M1 carbine....30 cal round....

Indeed I have one of those. They're so light even GC was banging away with it when she was about 12 and dead accurate. I always had this weird second image of Dad standing next to her giving her pointers when she did though. Crap there go the tears.

I'm looking forward to making those memories with my kids.

Same here... as long as I still have fingers...

Speaking of bad ideas... we have this old (like 15 yrs old) color printer in our office... when it does or we run out of toner, we want to go office space on it... but since we have plenty of target shooters in this office, we want to load the toner cartridges up with tannerite and then take shots at it... Too bad the main office of our company is in California, and frowns upon such things...

 Alfndrate wrote:

Speaking of bad ideas... we have this old (like 15 yrs old) color printer in our office... when it does or we run out of toner, we want to go office space on it... but since we have plenty of target shooters in this office, we want to load the toner cartridges up with tannerite and then take shots at it... Too bad the main office of our company is in California, and frowns upon such things...

What they don't know won't hurt them.... When it comes to it, just tell them that it finally gave out and so the company "properly" disposed of it.

 Ouze wrote:
The second worst thing about the school shooting in Newtown is the way that guns right activists have mined each and every tragedy since then for material to post on Dakka and Facebook supporting their views that George Washington would roll in his grave if even a single person had to take a background check at a gun show before buying a AR-15 with a 100 bullet drum mag.

All of the legislation was shot down, every bit of it, so any time you guys want to stop taking a victory lap on the corpses of dead children, it would be fine with the rest of us.

actually, its the anti rights people who take every tragedy to further their own agentda, and pass legislation that the majority of people dont want, dont need, and wont help anyone.

the anti rights people are the ones who have 0 knowledge in the subject of guns, and want to make knee jerk decisions that take away others rights, with the supposed result of increasing their security.

trading rights for security does not work, and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

absolute garbage, using yet another tragedy to try to scare people into giving up their rights.

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

you might want to look at who is trying to pass all this new legislation,

hint, its not the republicans who tried to pass the new assault weapons bane, or mag cap bans, ect ect.

that you look at legislation enacted by obamas democrats like feinsten et all,

and blame the repulicans for it,

yeah, that makes sense, democrats try to curtail the constitution using the dead bodies of kids, yet again,

and somehow its the republicains fault, because they dont jsut blindly go along with dismantling the 2nd amendmant.

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

Well I'm pretty sure you two just said the same thing. He didn't say "only liberals tout that". He said the only people who do are the ones pushing the agenda.

In regards to gun rights, he's generally right. There is always cases both ways, but our own President not to long ago was pushing around the bodies of dead kids to try to shame us for the bill getting shot down, just like a couple other posters in here tried to do.

That's politics.

easysauce wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

hint, its not the republicans who tried to pass the new assault weapons bane, or mag cap bans, ect ect.
and somehow its the republicains fault, because they dont jsut blindly go along with dismantling the 2nd amendmant.

you're right, I'm glad you're totally cool with dismantling all the other amendments, as long as you get to shoot stuff without signing some paperwork first.

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

hint, its not the republicans who tried to pass the new assault weapons bane, or mag cap bans, ect ect.
and somehow its the republicains fault, because they dont jsut blindly go along with dismantling the 2nd amendmant.

you're right, I'm glad you're totally cool with dismantling all the other amendments, as long as you get to shoot stuff without signing some paperwork first.

Dismantling all the other amendments?

erm...wut?

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

easysauce wrote:

and the only people using dead bodies to further an agenda is the people touting lines like "20 dead kids is reason to change"

Really? You want to checkup on some republican congress peoples xenophobia lately and post that again?

hint, its not the republicans who tried to pass the new assault weapons bane, or mag cap bans, ect ect.
and somehow its the republicains fault, because they dont jsut blindly go along with dismantling the 2nd amendmant.

you're right, I'm glad you're totally cool with dismantling all the other amendments, as long as you get to shoot stuff without signing some paperwork first.

who said I am for dismanteling the other amendmants? oh right, you did, for no reason whatsoever

way to make up an arguement that does not exist, and to put words in my mouth.

I am pro all amendmants, and would not support removal of any of them.

without the 2nd though, all the other ones can be taken away much easier.

so how about instead of making up lies about me wanting to do away with the other amendmants,

you actually see that I am trying to protect the other amendmants, by preserving the 2nd, which in the end is the only real guarantee of keeping the other amendmants.

easysauce wrote:

who said I am for dismanteling the other amendmants? oh right, you did, for no reason whatsoever
way to make up an arguement that does not exist, and to put words in my mouth.
I am pro all amendmants, and would not support removal of any of them.
without the 2nd though, all the other ones can be taken away much easier.
so how about instead of making up lies about me wanting to do away with the other amendmants,
you actually see that I am trying to protect the other amendmants, by preserving the 2nd, which in the end is the only real guarantee of keeping the other amendmants.

If the second amendment actually protected the others, patriot act and various others would have led to killing sprees in DC, but they didn't, because you just need to be pro-one thing that republicans stand for, and guns being the easy one, and you can get away with virtually anything, its turned into a party of loosely connected wedge issues.

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