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Monster Rain wrote: Whembly, seriously, what point are you trying to make here?
Just lay it out and make me understand it.
First and foremost, let me just say that Obama hasn't been as bad as I feared. He's probably one of the best politician we're ever going to see in our life time as the man just ouzes Charisma.
But, back in 2007 during that Presidential campaign I was concerned about his associations with percieved radicals.
Now, mind you... he's a Chicago Politician (that should've been my first clue... Obi Wan said it best: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
And it's not just one or two associations that MGS is trying to argue about other politicians (Thatcher, et el).
THere were many:
Frank Marshall Davis
Charles Ogletree
Reverend Jeremiah Wright
Quentin Young
Tony Rezko
Bill Ayers
Bernardine Dohrn
Saul Mendelson
The Rod Blagojevich mess
on and on....
See the picture?
Good thing he's a Chicago politician, rather than a true "Ayers Radical".
The point really was that ALL OF THIS WAS DENIED by the supporters.
And Mr. Ayers saying "he's not a radical" doesn't hold any waters when that dude is so far left, he's off the political spectrum.
This reeks of grasping at something, anything, to pin on The President, it's like that 'Homeland Security is buying tanks to become the new SS' thing a week or so ago.
I know so many of you folks are really really hopeful that Obama is going to suddenly reveal himself to be the Uberfascislammunist Overlord and fill the skies with black helicopters and the streets with tanks and troops (all from where I really don't fething know, because 99% of soldiery I talk to vote republican, as do most law enforcement and agency types I've spoken to or read about - so, perhaps students and hipsters? Imagine the terror they'd inflict on the nice folks of central PA... ) but the actual truth is, after several years of this not happening and all the Palin loving birther loonies getting bored, taking off their tricorn hats and going back to their homes to be just mildly angry... Still no fething ragnarok.
I mean, nothing has happened, no calamity, no apocalypse, the economy is slowly improving, there are still golden girl reruns on tv, the price of oil fell, people started buying houses again and no trumpets, no whore of babylon, no seven headed beast and no wrath of god because a fairly staid mixed race man and his nice family moved into the white house.
Your President, duly elected according to your democratic process, is just a reasonably good orator, somewhat reserved, left of the current US political center which still makes him entirely right of the world political center and even the Western European political center by a sizeable amount, church going, father of children, happily married, hasn't started any wars, seems to have been 'on the money' with the car companies and America avoided falling into a full economic depression, which was looking like a possibility 4 years back.
I don't see any problem with his time in office, at all. I see the opposition party in absolute disarray and in dire need of getting it's own gak in order and presenting it's own platform instead of simply saying 'we will vote against anything he says or does' as their only strategy.
If you don't like him, sit it out, it's almost over, few more years. As the saying goes, We survived Bush, you will survive Obama...
This reeks of grasping at something, anything, to pin on The President, it's like that 'Homeland Security is buying tanks to become the new SS' thing a week or so ago.
I know so many of you folks are really really hopeful that Obama is going to suddenly reveal himself to be the Uberfascislammunist Overlord and fill the skies with black helicopters and the streets with tanks and troops (all from where I really don't fething know, because 99% of soldiery I talk to vote republican, as do most law enforcement and agency types I've spoken to or read about - so, perhaps students and hipsters? Imagine the terror they'd inflict on the nice folks of central PA... ) but the actual truth is, after several years of this not happening and all the Palin loving birther loonies getting bored, taking off their tricorn hats and going back to their homes to be just mildly angry... Still no fething ragnarok.
I mean, nothing has happened, no calamity, no apocalypse, the economy is slowly improving, there are still golden girl reruns on tv, the price of oil fell, people started buying houses again and no trumpets, no whore of babylon, no seven headed beast and no wrath of god because a fairly staid mixed race man and his nice family moved into the white house.
Your President, duly elected according to your democratic process, is just a reasonably good orator, somewhat reserved, left of the current US political center which still makes him entirely right of the world political center and even the Western European political center by a sizeable amount, church going, father of children, happily married, hasn't started any wars, seems to have been 'on the money' with the car companies and America avoided falling into a full economic depression, which was looking like a possibility 4 years back.
I don't see any problem with his time in office, at all. I see the opposition party in absolute disarray and in dire need of getting it's own gak in order and presenting it's own platform instead of simply saying 'we will vote against anything he says or does' as their only strategy.
If you don't like him, sit it out, it's almost over, few more years. As the saying goes, We survived Bush, you will survive Obama...
You're right... we will survive Obama.
The point was, with those associations, plus these:
Joe the Plumber
Flexibility
Painted a PICTURE that I didn't like and when I brought these up... I was ganged up on being accused of a birther (which I didn't give a feth).
I don't like his politics... but, I respect the hell out him as a politician and a person.
EDIT... after Obama... it's Hillary's turn.
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Seaward wrote: So you want to prove to Obama supporters that he knew Bill Ayers?
They don't care, dude.
I know... because "they won".
Doesn't matter.
I knew.
Most everybody knew.
It was never about Obama "knowing" Bill Ayers.
The whole thing was that the right wanted to paint Obama as a crazy left wing radical that will destroy the Constitution and ruin our way of life because he must be the same as Bill Ayers because he knew him.
And even with this fancy report and "admission" of something that we knew to be true since 2008 doesn't change the fact that association doesn't mean that Obama is a radical.
But who knows. Maybe this will hurt Obama's run at a third term when he decides to change the Constitution via executive order.
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Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
Seaward wrote: So you want to prove to Obama supporters that he knew Bill Ayers?
They don't care, dude.
I know... because "they won".
Doesn't matter.
I knew.
Most everybody knew.
Not really... just look at articles in '07 during the Presidential compaigns.... Most everyone didn't care.
It was never about Obama "knowing" Bill Ayers.
The whole thing was that the right wanted to paint Obama as a crazy left wing radical that will destroy the Constitution and ruin our way of life because he must be the same as Bill Ayers because he knew him.
You mean the same kinds of people who claims that Romney gave someone cancer, Republicans wants to dirty your air/water and Paul Ryan wants to throw granny off the cliff?
And even with this fancy report and "admission" of something that we knew to be true since 2008 doesn't change the fact that association doesn't mean that Obama is a radical.
That remains to be seen.
But who knows. Maybe this will hurt Obama's run at a third term when he decides to change the Constitution via executive order.
But first, he needs to make it so that I can discharge my school loans... then, he can do that.
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motyak wrote: Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
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motyak wrote: Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
Every president has had people pulling up dirt while he's in office.
While most of the time its nothing important it can pull up important stuff, like Watergate. Or Clinton's lying under oath.
Its an annoying but vital part of the system, it allows us to keep the politicians somewhat honest.
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Joe the Plumber: Did you not get the 'you would have achieved the wealth faster and been in a more secure and capable situation earlier' bit and the 'a wealthier average working class spends more and promotes growth' bit, or did you hear 'spread the wealth around' and turn it into 'the State will take away your possessions and share them with the proletariat, you bourgeois swine!' What Obama said on the taxation seemed entirely reasoned to me.
Flexibility: 'Yes Russian chap, I'd like to discuss this but I have an election to deal with, that means I must postpone things that may make me appear weak or cast me in an unfavorable light until I've won.' or 'I'm giving you an excuse not to discuss this right now and fobbing you off with something much more important, you do understand I hope'...
Again, there is nothing wrong with either of these interviews.
Joe the Plumber: Did you not get the 'you would have achieved the wealth faster and been in a more secure and capable situation earlier' bit and the 'a wealthier average working class spends more and promotes growth' bit, or did you hear 'spread the wealth around' and turn it into 'the State will take away your possessions and share them with the proletariat, you bourgeois swine!' What Obama said on the taxation seemed entirely reasoned to me.
I took it as 'the State will take away your possessions and share them with the proletariat, you bourgeois swine!'
Flexibility: 'Yes Russian chap, I'd like to discuss this but I have an election to deal with, that means I must postpone things that may make me appear weak or cast me in an unfavorable light until I've won.' or 'I'm giving you an excuse not to discuss this right now and fobbing you off with something much more important, you do understand I hope'...
I took it as 'Yes Russian chap, I'd like to discuss this but I have an election to deal with, that means I must postpone things that may make me appear weak or cast me in an unfavorable light until I've won.'
Again, there is nothing wrong with either of these interviews.
Related question (since we are sort of discussing radical presidents), say a president gets along with his party well, and they own both houses with a clear majority, can he use an executive order to make him president for life? Or is that in writing as illegal.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
motyak wrote: Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
Oh, my, yes. The anti-Bush folks were hilariously rabid. They even included national network news anchors who faked documents to make him look bad.
Not really... just look at articles in '07 during the Presidential compaigns.... Most everyone didn't care.
And there is mistake number one from you. There is a world of difference between "nobody knew this was true" and "most everybody didn't care".
People knew that Obama knew Ayers. They didn't care because knowing doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
It was never about Obama "knowing" Bill Ayers.
The whole thing was that the right wanted to paint Obama as a crazy left wing radical that will destroy the Constitution and ruin our way of life because he must be the same as Bill Ayers because he knew him.
You mean the same kinds of people who claims that Romney gave someone cancer, Republicans wants to dirty your air/water and Paul Ryan wants to throw granny off the cliff?
Nope.
People were claiming these evil Republicans want to do things based on stuff that they actually have done and said.
People were claiming that Obama wanted to do these things and was a radical because of what Bill Ayres has said and done in the past.
Big difference.
And even with this fancy report and "admission" of something that we knew to be true since 2008 doesn't change the fact that association doesn't mean that Obama is a radical.
That remains to be seen.
Here is what you and I both know.
You don't like Obama and you would really wish for one of those crazy theories to pan out so that you can feel more justified for not liking him. You want him to be this bad guy, so you are looking for "proof" that he is a bad guy. Don't let what you want to be true lead you down the path of crap sources and stupid internet sites. You got a science background, you know that if you have a theory that is not backed up by any of the experimentsthen you change your theory. You don't screw around and break the experiment until your theory is right.
But who knows. Maybe this will hurt Obama's run at a third term when he decides to change the Constitution via executive order.
But first, he needs to make it so that I can discharge my school loans... then, he can do that.
I wish.
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motyak wrote: Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
Oh, my, yes. The anti-Bush folks were hilariously rabid. They even included national network news anchors who faked documents to make him look bad.
You mean Rathergate? Man... forgot about that one...
1. I took it as 'the State will take away your possessions and share them with the proletariat, you bourgeois swine!'
2. I took it as 'Yes Russian chap, I'd like to discuss this but I have an election to deal with, that means I must postpone things that may make me appear weak or cast me in an unfavorable light until I've won.'
That's how I took it.
1. Death and Taxes. More dosh you have, more taxes you pay.
2. If that were the case, other than being caught out with a live mic, that's a smart move. It's also part of diplomacy. It's a bit like saying 'I'd like to tell my rich friends that 47% of this country are gak-eating parasites, but I'll wait til after the elections as I don't want to appear like an elitist prick... Oh balls...
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motyak wrote: Related question (since we are sort of discussing radical presidents), say a president gets along with his party well, and they own both houses with a clear majority, can he use an executive order to make him president for life? Or is that in writing as illegal.
No, its not in the presidents power to have an executive order make him president for life.
We'd have to have a Constitutional amendment to get a president for more than 2 terms.
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motyak wrote: Related question (since we are sort of discussing radical presidents), say a president gets along with his party well, and they own both houses with a clear majority, can he use an executive order to make him president for life? Or is that in writing as illegal.
Illegal.
Presidential Term limits is codified in Constitution.
Needs another constitutional amendment to change that
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d-usa wrote: Let me brake this down for you a bit there.
Not really... just look at articles in '07 during the Presidential compaigns.... Most everyone didn't care.
And there is mistake number one from you. There is a world of difference between "nobody knew this was true" and "most everybody didn't care".
People knew that Obama knew Ayers. They didn't care because knowing doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
Eh... maybe I should've clarified.... the low information voters either don't know or didn't care. I believe it's more likely that they didn't know.
Political junkies like you and me would know about it.
It was never about Obama "knowing" Bill Ayers.
The whole thing was that the right wanted to paint Obama as a crazy left wing radical that will destroy the Constitution and ruin our way of life because he must be the same as Bill Ayers because he knew him.
You mean the same kinds of people who claims that Romney gave someone cancer, Republicans wants to dirty your air/water and Paul Ryan wants to throw granny off the cliff?
Nope.
People were claiming these evil Republicans want to do things based on stuff that they actually have done and said.
Really? Citations please.
People were claiming that Obama wanted to do these things and was a radical because of what Bill Ayres has said and done in the past.
Big difference.
Not quite sure I follow... Obama said a lot of things that many of us disagrees with.
And even with this fancy report and "admission" of something that we knew to be true since 2008 doesn't change the fact that association doesn't mean that Obama is a radical.
That remains to be seen.
Here is what you and I both know.
You don't like Obama and you would really wish for one of those crazy theories to pan out so that you can feel more justified for not liking him. You want him to be this bad guy, so you are looking for "proof" that he is a bad guy. Don't let what you want to be true lead you down the path of crap sources and stupid internet sites. You got a science background, you know that if you have a theory that is not backed up by any of the experimentsthen you change your theory. You don't screw around and break the experiment until your theory is right.
I think Obama is truly constrained by the Consitution... or, he'd would've championed a more socialistic vision for US.
But who knows. Maybe this will hurt Obama's run at a third term when he decides to change the Constitution via executive order.
But first, he needs to make it so that I can discharge my school loans... then, he can do that.
1. I took it as 'the State will take away your possessions and share them with the proletariat, you bourgeois swine!'
2. I took it as 'Yes Russian chap, I'd like to discuss this but I have an election to deal with, that means I must postpone things that may make me appear weak or cast me in an unfavorable light until I've won.'
That's how I took it.
1. Death and Taxes. More dosh you have, more taxes you pay.
Yep... let's punish successful folks even more... you know... 'cuz, you didn't build that. Nevermind that US already HAD the highest corporate tax rates in the world AND very PROGRESSIVE individual income tax rate.
2. If that were the case, other than being caught out with a live mic, that's a smart move. It's also part of diplomacy. It's a bit like saying 'I'd like to tell my rich friends that 47% of this country are gak-eating parasites, but I'll wait til after the elections as I don't want to appear like an elitist prick... Oh balls...
Okay... that's worth an exalt... hysterical.
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Going by the logic that President Obama knew Ayers and sat in meetings where they both attended, I can surmise that Paul Ryan is a liberal because he has attended meetings that Diane Feinstein also attended.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
whembly wrote: Well... when I brought this up a wee time ago... I was treated as a pariah with derision.
Well... I told ya so... unless this is totally fabricated.
William Ayers comes clean; I held Fundraiser for Obama; Wife and Michelle were at law firm together
William Ayers, the radical Leftist who was part of the domestic terrorist group The Weather Underground in the 1970′s, has given an in-depth interview to The Daily Beast and confirmed the fact that Barack Obama’s political career began in his living room with a 1995 fundraiser:
THE DAILY BEAST: There was a big hullabaloo during the 2008 presidential election over your relationship to Obama. What is or was your relationship to him?
AYERS: “I brief him every Monday in the White House, and he never listens! No. The truth is exactly what he said and what the campaign said in 2008. David Axelrod said we were friendly, that was true; we served on a couple of boards together, that was true; he held a fundraiser in our living room, that was true; Michelle [Obama] and Bernardine were at the law firm together, that was true. Hyde Park in Chicago is a tiny neighborhood, so when he said I was “a guy around the neighborhood,” that was true. Today, I wish I knew him better and he was listening to me. Obama’s not a radical. I wish he were, but he’s not.”
You don't see a problem when a person's career gets started by a terrorist raising money for them?
Agreed its irrelevant now, the MsM did its protection job already.
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Seaward wrote: So you want to prove to Obama supporters that he knew Bill Ayers?
They don't care, dude.
You want to prove something he's admitted? Shock horror!
Seriously, it says in the first post that he had at one point associated with Ayers, and that Ayers was unhappy with how little an effect he'd had on him.
Grey Templar wrote: Well if we are going to nitpick I'd say a wanted terrorist is worse than a drug dealer, assuming the drug dealer isn't a cartel member.
Ahhh, so we can measure this on some form of 'scales of evil'?
What about Maggie Thatcher hanging out with Jimmy Saville then, is pedo worse than domestic terrorist or drug dealer? What about George Bush Senior attending the same fundraiser as known felon Winona 'lightfingers' Ryder?
Won't someone think of the children!!!
George Bush wasn't running and neither was Thatcher /Saville. We're talking a US election.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote: not happening and all the Palin loving birther loonies getting bored, taking off their tricorn hats and going back to their homes to be just mildly angry... Still no fething ragnarok.
I mean, nothing has happened, no calamity, no apocalypse, the economy is slowly improving, there are still golden girl reruns on tv, the price of oil fell, people started buying houses again and no trumpets, no whore of babylon, no seven headed beast and no wrath of god because a fairly staid mixed race man and his nice family moved into the white house.
Wo wo wo you can't say there's been no calamity and then say Golden Girls is on TV.
I think we've all learned something today, that Channel 5 is easy on the eyes.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
motyak wrote: Were there as many of the (guy who lost to Bush)'s supporters pulling up things about Bush while he was in office in the way you are whembley? I'm not trying to be rude, just curious, I didn't spend much time on the internet while Bush was in office
Oh, my, yes. The anti-Bush folks were hilariously rabid.
I know right!?!? It's like that mutha started two wars on two continents at a cost of thousands of US lives and billions of dollars or something! Oh yeah and got us into the financial gak storm that O got left cleaning up.
whembly wrote:
Yep... let's punish successful folks even more... you know... 'cuz, you didn't build that. Nevermind that US already HAD the highest corporate tax rates in the world AND very PROGRESSIVE individual income tax rate.
As I understand it, and feel free to correct me, he was principally proposing the end of the Bush era (his immediate predecessor) tax breaks for people above a certain wealth line as the nation had fallen into economic difficulties and he required them to return to paying their regular tax rate whilst he wanted to extend the tax breaks for those below that line to protect them from the severity of the economic crisis which included rising grocery prices and utility prices, something more easily tolerated by richer people.
Frazzled wrote:
Wo wo wo you can't say there's been no calamity and then say Golden Girls is on TV.
Don't ever disrespect the Golden Girls on my watch Mr...
Or there's no cheesecake for you...
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) but the actual truth is, after several years of this not happening and all the Palin loving birther loonies getting bored, taking off their tricorn hats and going back to their homes to be just mildly angry... Still no fething ragnarok.
