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Barrage actually has rules that allow it allocate wounds. Seeker missles don't.

Anyone actually trying to make you play this way is TFG, but they do have a valid point. It's just bad writing on GW's part.

Caboose

I've played against someone who insisted that Barrage weapons always scatter 2d6 regardless of how the weapon was fired (in this case indirectly) even when a hit is rolled on the scatter dice. I am honestly surprised he didn't pull that card out to avoid the damage to his unit. However, rules for the barrage and wounding only clarify how to determine where the shot is coming from and also how to determine cover. That second part makes no mention of wounds and line of sight. I still hold firm that if a rule states to ignore a specific requirement you do just that.

Cmdr Hindsight wrote:
I still hold firm that if a rule states to ignore a specific requirement you do just that.

And I agree with you.
There is no rule that says to ignore the requirement to empty the wound pool. There is only a rule that allows allocation to models you cannot see.

But if you are ignoring LOS would you then not ignore all rules requiring or regarding LOS? So that rule would be disregarded in all aspects would it not? The section you reference which requires you to empty the wound pool also requires you to not be able to see any part of the unit, but again, you are not required to have sight of your enemy so that section would be null and void since it is no longer part of the equation. I am just failing to see how one aspect of an ignored requirement holds validity if you are not required to abide by it.

I guess this would boil down to a specific rule override or changing the requirements of a genera rule, as per page 7 of the rule book.


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I've also been wondering if the ignore LOS rule only applies when the seeker missile is fire by markerlight. If no marklight is used then all normal shooting requirements would be required right? It would not ignore cover, and would than require LOS on the target to be fired using the models BS instead of the modified BS of 5 when the marklight is in use. I hope my understanding of that is correct, I might have botched my last game if not =P

LOS is required to target and to empty the wound pool, where in seekers does it say that ignoring LOS is just for one part of that? If I ignore it why don't I get to ignore it all?

Cmdr Hindsight wrote:

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I've also been wondering if the ignore LOS rule only applies when the seeker missile is fire by markerlight. If no marklight is used then all normal shooting requirements would be required right? It would not ignore cover, and would than require LOS on the target to be fired using the models BS instead of the modified BS of 5 when the marklight is in use. I hope my understanding of that is correct, I might have botched my last game if not =P

I believe a "dumb fired" seeker missle still follows all the normal shooting restrictions ie LOS, models BS, etc. However, if seeker missles themselves have the ignore cover rule then markerlight or not they ignore cover.

Caboose

On pg 68 of the Tau Codex it has rules for "Seeker" if a markerlight is used to fire off a seeker missile it gets the following rules:

-Does not need LOS
-Is resolved at BS 5
-Ignores Cover special rule
-ect.

These are the key points for use of a seeker missile whilst using a markerlight. Now if you look at the profile for each weapon at the back of the book the Seeker Missile itself does not have any of those listed, only heavy 1 and one use only. So I would figure that without a markerlight to support or guide the seeker missile it follows all the normal shooting rules. Requires LOS from the model "dumb firing" the missile, cover saves apply, and it is fired using the models BS. Guess markerlights are the way to go then!

@ Liturgies of blood, I saying that by using the markerlight to fire a seeker missile you ignore the requirement of LOS all together, not just pick and choose when it applies. I believe on pg 7 of the rule book it gives a fitting example of a unit required to make a morale check but due to a special rule they ignore that requirement and negative/positive modifiers all together. So any requirement for LOS would be ignored entirely. (Sorry for the redundant sentence)

Eh, I'm not so sure what you're saying there as that sentence didn't make sense.

I am saying a seeker fired by use of a marker light ignores LOS because the rules tell me so. I'm not picking and choosing when it applies.

If I shoot the missiles myself not using marker lights or using my own networked marker lights I require LOS to the unit. If i am just expending marker light counters to fire the missiles, I ignore LOS restrictions.

Marker lights have two firing profiles depending on how they are fired.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Eh, I'm not so sure what you're saying there as that sentence didn't make sense.

I am saying a seeker fired by use of a marker light ignores LOS because the rules tell me so. I'm not picking and choosing when it applies.

If I shoot the missiles myself not using marker lights or using my own networked marker lights I require LOS to the unit. If i am just expending marker light counters to fire the missiles, I ignore LOS restrictions.

Marker lights have two firing profiles depending on how they are fired.

Well said and I agree. I was making reference to the "out of sight" issue that was brought up. I simply wanted to give my references and argument as to why I think someone trying to play that card would have no ground to stand on. You also brought up a good point of a networked markerlight.


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Here's a question, if you get a markerlight hit from overwatch can you shoot a missile from the markerlight hit that was generated? I would assume that it would be fire at bs5 since it was fire via markerlight.