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Nah... history will be favorable for Bush.

QFT

http://fxn.ws/11RBxuD

Makes me wonder what Gore would have done if the Supreme Court decided he won FLA on and after 9/11......

 Jihadin wrote:
Makes me wonder what Gore would have done if the Supreme Court decided he won FLA on and after 9/11......

Send Afghanistan windmills and solar panels?





*The above is pure sarcasm, there is no need to think I was serious and respond as such.

Jihadin wrote:Makes me wonder what Gore would have done if the Supreme Court decided he won FLA on and after 9/11......

Now, I really dislike Gore. But I bet he'd have at least read the "OBL determined to attack the US" document (this assumption is based on the Clinton administration's previous efforts to deal with AQ).

Think we're all being a bit....hestitant on this thread. This can quickly turn ugly with Bush and Obama bashing...maybe a few others thrown into the mix....and its a locked thread. I highly suspect BS just watching how this develope.. Right now Obama is in the seat like Bush. Syria just cross line with chemical weapons. What is he goig to do.

Seeing as how some of the discussions have gone in this thread.......

I'm going to assume its Bush Jr. people are referring to...... the guy was bad yet funny to as hell to listen to. And for the whole "hes horrible he tortured people wah wah wah" who fething cares, after an event like 911 anyone and I mean ANYONE who has information that could lead to the finding of the instigators should get tortured if they decide to be enough of an idiot to withhold that kind of information. Never cared for Obama either, he seems like a bit of a puppet

 azazel the cat wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Makes me wonder what Gore would have done if the Supreme Court decided he won FLA on and after 9/11......

Now, I really dislike Gore. But I bet he'd have at least read the "OBL determined to attack the US" document (this assumption is based on the Clinton administration's previous efforts to deal with AQ).

And divined the method, place, and time of the attack and miraculously prevented us from enduring it?

Bush will not be remembered as the worst US president when people calm down about the whole affair. He has to compete with Taft, Harding and Coolidge to even be considered. He may of been a lot of things but those presidents were outright corrupt.

Also, Millard Fillmore, no one can top Millard Fillmore.

Bush was also totally fiscally irresponsible, but that gets conveniently ignored on the Fake News channel.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/25/fox-ignores-economic-history-to-praise-presiden/193779

Media Matters for America
"Fiscal discipline?" Really?

Can we talk about the $5.5 trillion deficit that Bush racked up over his two terms, please?

Fox Ignores Economic History To Praise President Bush's "Fiscal Discipline"
Blog ››› 8 hours and 35 minutes ago ››› ANDREW LAWRENCE
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Fox News ignored economic history to forward the absurd claim that former President George W. Bush exercised "fiscal discipline."

On the April 25 edition of Fox & Friends, former Bush White House Chief of Staff Andy Card claimed that President Bush "probably has the best track record of any modern president in terms of fiscal discipline," a statement that went unchallenged by the Fox & Friends co-hosts:

But facts undermine Card's claim. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the drivers of current and future public debt are policies from the Bush presidency:



A recent study from Harvard researcher Linda J. Bilmes found that the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will ultimately cost taxpayers between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, that the Bush-era tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to public debt from 2001-2010, and as Foxnews.com noted in September 2011, the Bush-era Medicare drug benefit came with unfunded costs of $7 trillion.

Furthermore, according to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and Office of Management and Budget data, the Bush era saw the second largest annualized growth in federal spending since the Eisenhower presidency:



According to former President Reagan adviser Bruce Bartlett, when Bush took office, the CBO projected a $3.5 trillion surplus through 2008. Instead, Bush delivered a $5.5 trillion deficit over his two terms.
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 BrassScorpion wrote:

That is one great chart. Definitely conclusive, Bush was an idiot.

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It is like I stepped into a time machine and it is 2004 all over again!

 Ahtman wrote:
It is like I stepped into a time machine and it is 2004 all over again!

Revert back to classic dakka and the effect is incredible.

Psst... that evil Booooooooosh just didn't fething care:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/opinion/brazile-katrina-bush/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

I thought of more presidents worse than Bush, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, John Tyler, Ulysses S Grant and James Buchannan

All of these men were corrupt, incompetent, criminal or some conbination of the three. For all we fault Bush for he was neither corrupt nor criminal nor particularly incompetent (not compared to what history has to offer)

We just get more heated about him because he was more recent

 EmilCrane wrote:
I thought of more presidents worse than Bush, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, John Tyler, Ulysses S Grant and James Buchannan

All of these men were corrupt, incompetent, criminal or some conbination of the three. For all we fault Bush for he was neither corrupt nor criminal nor particularly incompetent (not compared to what history has to offer)

We just get more heated about him because he was more recent

Naw man... Booosh will always be a pariah to some folks because he stole the election for Al Gore. :eyerolls:

 The Bringer wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
It is like I stepped into a time machine and it is 2004 all over again!

Revert back to classic dakka and the effect is incredible.

Great responses guys.

So Bush is bad for the USA
1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq


Might as while compile a list of all the bad things he has done to destroy America. I defend those two above me. I had contract over site in Afghanistan and at times in Iraq. So the contractors are in my ball field. Who's willing to play in my field. My experience in dealing with them, firing them, removing entire branches of them, and charging them to get back lost gov't money is in my lane. Who wants to play in my lane

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Next on whoever wants to add 3,4,5,6 and so on and on. Break it down. Have some damn order in this debate

Political threads are depressing as hell. I'm still not recovered from the what, 14 months leading up to the election and all that gak - we don't need to start this again.

 Bromsy wrote:
Political threads are depressing as hell. I'm still not recovered from the what, 14 months leading up to the election and all that gak - we don't need to start this again.

I agree. The next election cycle will be started up proper in what, a year's time? Why get it going early

 EmilCrane wrote:
I thought of more presidents worse than Bush, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, John Tyler, Ulysses S Grant and James Buchannan

All of these men were corrupt, incompetent, criminal or some conbination of the three. For all we fault Bush for he was neither corrupt nor criminal nor particularly incompetent (not compared to what history has to offer)

We just get more heated about him because he was more recent

Oh I'm pretty sure he was corrupt, incompetent and criminal, maybe not to historic levels, but still. I'm not particularly a Bush hater and I don't think history will be too harsh on him. I think he made a lot of money off the Wars and if we ever find out that was his reason for going then, well hes a bastard.

Bush was the best thing that could've ever happened for Obama. He sat the bar so low that its nearly impossible for Obama to look bad. Lying about nukes in Iran, setting the precedent for holding people without trial (Gitmo), and making torture acceptable (sleep deprivation, solitary confinement, and water boarding at Gitmo). Not only that, but he defunded stem cell research, endorsed banning gay marriage, and he reduced taxes for the top one percent of Americans more than any other group. Add in the fact that he won in 2000 despite losing the popular vote, and you have an all around gakky president.

Now, for every mistake Obama makes, he'll still look okay compared to Bush. He could use flying robots to blow up children, but he'd still come out looking clean.

What state though wanted to have terrorist within their state borders?

As for trials....fed court or military tribunals? How were they captured?

Torture. Well we still do solitary confinement in our prison do we not? Water boarding.is a mind game. Sleep deprievement. is simple. As for turning over to other country prison system where torture an accepted form we put a stop to that did we not?

Remind me again....does Iran have nukes? say maybe 1 or 2 at leasat...aircraft deliverable...

Defunded Stem esearch was influence by I believe a Christian coalition basically saying we are not God?

Endorse banning Gay Right...making it sound like we stole their rights? Time...that take time to change. Already happening. Its in the beginning stage. look how long it took for MLK to accomplish what was needed to be done what he and everyone else knew it was the right thing to do. They were the majority going against a minority that was in power.

Bush played the cards the best way he knew how even though it might not be what the general populace wanted. Obama is now playing the cards he been dealt with.

Obama waitng for the UN to send teams in Syria to confirm a chem strike. Problem is...no teams are allowed in

Obama cell phones. I know he did not start that but its so bloated now and voters thanked him for the free cells it is now tied to him

Obamacare is starting to kick off....and it is not looking good.

He expanded the drone operations Bush had in place and created a kill list. He got Osama but in such a way he was killed he can't really claim the kill

He could not secure a SOFA agreement with Iraq and quite a chunk of equipment were left behind in Iraq

Afghanistan going to be the same deal with quite a bit of 3rd generation vehicles are being left behind unless Hugary, Roaminains, Poland, Kuwait, and a few others want them. Ukranian contract cargo carrier going to make a killing flying those equipment out to their respective country.

I'm just pointing out the cards thart are being dealt to each is not favorable to eaither of them They have to play them the best way they can. It might suck to us in the military andthe general populace but is crunch tie due to money and logistical capability to get them out.. Our biggest hit. Our C5 fleet of aircrafts are not mission ready. Very few can fly.So bac they go over to karach and shipped out using contract vehicle boots and what few ro/ro boots we have.

Just throwing it out there. Point and counter point.Think both sides
So if you can make remarks about Bush negatively. Can you also make negative remarks about Obamaq.


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EXCLUSIVE: As many as 50 U.S. and Coalition military helicopters were badly damaged in a hailstorm at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan this week. The damage was severe enough that the helicopters are grounded until they can be repaired.

The storm moved through southern Afghanistan on April 23.

A military spokesman says "ISAF [International Security Assistance Force] has already implemented actions to mitigate the effects of the storm and our forces continue to receive all necessary support."

Fox News was told by one service member serving at a remote outpost in southern Afghanistan, who declined to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter, that he was told "supplies and personnel movement are going to be restricted because of lack of deployable helicopters."

This service member said he was told that around 50 helicopters were damaged and grounded as a result. Several U.S. officials have confirmed that number, although ISAF would not comment on the exact number, citing concerns about operational security.

One military official said repairs are likely to happen quickly and that it is a "top priority" right now.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/25/exclusive-up-to-50-us-helos-in-afghanistan-badly-damaged-in-hail-storm/?test=latestnews#ixzz2RXsjzwGz

Flying new blades in for the 50 rotary wing aircraft. Quickest way to replace the blades instead of repairing voided out areas of the blade wihich takes like 36 hrs to do a proper seal on a UH60 blade.

 Jihadin wrote:
Water boarding.is a mind game.

Would you like to volunteer to be waterboarded? Or you could take the easy way out and just read the first-hand account from a pro-war conservative who used to think that it wasn't so bad: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

Defunded Stem esearch was influence by I believe a Christian coalition basically saying we are not God?

Yes, and this is why Bush sucked: instead of making decisions based on scientific facts he defunded important research as a gift to the religious right. And that's the generous interpretation, that it was a pragmatic act to secure votes that would be important to keeping him and his party in power, and Bush himself wasn't actually stupid enough to believe the religious right's anti-stem-cell arguments. If he did act out of a sincere belief that stem cell research needed to be stopped then it's even worse, he's either a gullible figurehead who didn't care enough to investigate the issue before making a decision or a crusading zealot willing to sacrifice real lives in the name of ideological purity.

Endorse banning Gay Right...making it sound like we stole their rights? Time...that take time to change. Already happening. Its in the beginning stage. look how long it took for MLK to accomplish what was needed to be done what he and everyone else knew it was the right thing to do. They were the majority going against a minority that was in power.

And how is "well, he wasn't any worse than the racists of the 1960s" supposed to be praise?

 Tazz Azrael wrote:
Seeing as how some of the discussions have gone in this thread.......

I'm going to assume its Bush Jr. people are referring to...... the guy was bad yet funny to as hell to listen to. And for the whole "hes horrible he tortured people wah wah wah" who fething cares, after an event like 911 anyone and I mean ANYONE who has information that could lead to the finding of the instigators should get tortured if they decide to be enough of an idiot to withhold that kind of information. Never cared for Obama either, he seems like a bit of a puppet

What a dumb comment. What about all the people who didn't know anything? What about the fact that torture dose not work? Infact it makes things worse. Every person you pick up who knows nothing becomes an enemy, as dose everyone they know.

IMO the approval of tourture will be the one thing that is rememberd about Bush.

Steve steveson wrote:
IMO the approval of tourture will be the one thing that is rememberd about Bush.

You forgot about Poland.

Insha'Allah, we can keep this thread going long enough so that we can line up criticism of Bush's handling of Hurricane Katrina exactly, to the day, when it happened 8 years previously. Just 4 more months!

 The Bringer wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
It is like I stepped into a time machine and it is 2004 all over again!

Revert back to classic dakka and the effect is incredible.

Except 2004 sucked compared to now in the "scoring consistently with the ladies department".

Thanks for bringing up bad memories you guys. :(

And exalt!

 Jihadin wrote:
Makes me wonder what Gore would have done if the Supreme Court decided he won FLA on and after 9/11......

I don't know about that, but I do know that we would not now be staring down the barrel of the terrible manbearpig menace. Serially!


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 Ahtman wrote:
It is like I stepped into a time machine and it is 2004 all over again!

Wow finally a second chance to sell my Apple stock. Its getting its keister handed to it by IBM.


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 Bromsy wrote:
Political threads are depressing as hell. I'm still not recovered from the what, 14 months leading up to the election and all that gak - we don't need to start this again.

Dude the inauguration hadn't finished and they were talking about the 2016 election. Seriously, give us all a break from the horserace nonsense please.


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Thirteen Reasons Lincoln was the Worst President.

1. Under his watch the US was plunged into the worst war in its history.
2. International relations were some of the worst ever. We were almost drawn into a long war with Britain and France
3. Under his watch foreign powers invaded our brothers to the South.
4. The corporations sucked off the government through favored military contracts making millions. You know who benefited – the evil corporates! CARNEGIE! CARNEGIE!
5. Under his watch we went off the gold standard
6. His plan to “connect the East and West” led to environmental carnage for thousands of miles.
7. Under his watch debt and deficits were at the highest level in a hundred years.
8. Under his watch illegal immigration continued to flood the country. Indeed he used many of those illegals in his illegal war against fellow US citizens.
9. Under his watch, funding for AIDs and breast cancer research were almost nonexistent. Heartless!
10. Lincoln used executive orders to steal property from legal owners in multiple states, yet he did nothing for the poor!
11. Under his watch the government actively acted to destroy the road system that the 99% of us had to use to get around, not like those corporation guys in Washington. Carnegie!
12. under his watch homeless and poverty increased greatly for the 99% in our economically disenfranchised reasons in the South. Indeed, his policies directly led to poverty and…er homelessness!
13. He did nothing to prevent 9/11!

 whembly wrote:


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I can think that one of the best fething thing you can say about Bush is that Iraq now has free elections.

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That wasn't why we invaded Iraq. If we wanted to throw out the Saddam regime, we could have done it much easier at the end of Gulf War One.

Libya has free elections without our invading to make them happen.

We don't know that Saddam might not have been overthrown by internal efforts if we had left them alone, as happened to Gaddafi.

Afghanistan doesn't have free elections, which we stayed in for nine years for the sake of human rights.

Saudi Arabia doesn't have free elections, but we don't care because they are an ally.

If you believe in the USA's mission as World Police, it hasn't been very successful.

Well, we were planning on removing him in GW1 but Saudia Arabia said no.

We took a very active role militaristicaly for Libya to be "free" today.

There was a couple attempts to overthrow Saddam. He used mustard gas in retaliation.

Afghanistan does have them. I've been in theatre helping to provide armed protection so the citizens could vote safely for 2 of them. Certain area's are still affected by the Taliban in those regards, but the country predominantly is "free" when it comes to them.

You're right about Saudi, but there isn't much we can do about that. When the government actively hides people who kill thousands of our citizens, then we most likely will, but until then we don't have much ground to stand on.

Since we're going back in time to debate things, I want to talk about Ruby Ridge.

Jack Ruby was on the Ridge, next to the Grassy Knoll.

That is all.