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i can't decide whether to get forgefiend or defiler for my first heavy unit, also would like advise on which commander i'd be best with Typhus definitely looks cool and i'd like to have a Librarian (preferably one with staff / plasma pistol) and then i also need help with my core army

it really depends on what you want to do. a defiler is a great tool, a little expensive for competitive play but it does look great and brings some fun toys in a small package deal.

you can never really go wrong with forgefiends. whether you take them stock with hades autocannons or swap out to ectoplasma depends on what you want to do but its a great firing platform. 12-12-10 5++ and it will not die means it can survive quite well, the hades autocannons are great for fliers and mopping up anything up to a mid armour range. those ectoplasmic cannons are brutal in numbers!!

Havoc, 4 ac= 8 shots vs Forge fiend, 2 hades ac= 8 shots

Vindicator= ID plague marines, negate their fnp, and deny termi armor saves 24" vs Defiler= ID marines, and their armor 72"

you should proxy for your preference.

Guys i don't even have the basic csm squadren, not played a 40k game quite yet what i'm asking is advise in english as i'm kinda noob

Proxy - play a game where you use something to count as a codex unit. So use a random toy thats a similar size to a defiler and see how you get on.

HQ's -

Typhus is good, but he's mainly if you want to go for a nurgle army - so green and sickly becomes your theme.
Lucius is good if you want to fight challenges
Kharn is good if you want to kill as many people as possible
Abaddon is good if you want to kill everything, but he's so expensive he can seriously lower the amount of models on the table.
Fabius is less useful in fighting, but he can make one unit of csm's stronger and fearless.
Sorceror's are useful, but I see them as back up characters - I think the best hq's are Chaos Lords. If you like close combat, get a chaos lord. If you really like cc put him on a juggernaut.

Out of a defiler and a forgefiend - I'd get the defiler, for no other reason than it's cooler imo. You like Dawn of War - a defiler will wander about with a massive cannon and claws to break stuff.

5th edition, defiler was an allstar. 6th ed, they bumped him up 45pts so he would look bad and so people would buy forge fiend.

I would not buy either one of them now. I would use havocs with ig ac, black reach/dark vengeance termi with green stuffed gun arm to count as obliterators, magnetized predators to also be rhinos when I do not need pred. However, I would push on you a vindicator to kill plague marines and termi easier. U can also try to magnetize that to revert back to a rhino.

My heavy support is always a predator annihilator, 3 Obliterators and another (possibly my defiler/maybe havocs/maulerfiend/forgefiend)

The defiler is still good imo. I stick him at the back and use the 72" battle cannon to support my army while it goes forwards. I use the claws only if the opportunity presents itself.
I find the trick to keeping chaos walkers around in 6th is to give them shooting and hide them. They are too easy to glance to death and at I3 for all bar the Hellbrute you'll just be taken off the board by anything like another SM dreadnought.

PredaKhaine wrote:
Proxy - play a game where you use something to count as a codex unit. So use a random toy thats a similar size to a defiler and see how you get on.

HQ's -

Typhus is good, but he's mainly if you want to go for a nurgle army - so green and sickly becomes your theme.
Lucius is good if you want to fight challenges
Kharn is good if you want to kill as many people as possible
Abaddon is good if you want to kill everything, but he's so expensive he can seriously lower the amount of models on the table.
Fabius is less useful in fighting, but he can make one unit of csm's stronger and fearless.
Sorceror's are useful, but I see them as back up characters - I think the best hq's are Chaos Lords. If you like close combat, get a chaos lord. If you really like cc put him on a juggernaut.

Out of a defiler and a forgefiend - I'd get the defiler, for no other reason than it's cooler imo. You like Dawn of War - a defiler will wander about with a massive cannon and claws to break stuff.

Well i knew sorceror's would be more of a support which is why i'd like to get one I am just unsure of the differences between them. i want some form of chaos lord etc. for the fighting part of my command, and yes i like the original dawn of war but defiler was my second favourite unit (first was the ork big unit). is it possible for me to have chaos deamons as my allies and summon them into battle midway through rather than have them on the field from the start. (so i could suddenly summon 2 horrors behind the enemy squadren to prevent fleeing)

tyforethevenom wrote:
Well i knew sorceror's would be more of a support which is why i'd like to get one I am just unsure of the differences between them. i want some form of chaos lord etc. for the fighting part of my command, and yes i like the original dawn of war but defiler was my second favourite unit (first was the ork big unit). is it possible for me to have chaos deamons as my allies and summon them into battle midway through rather than have them on the field from the start. (so i could suddenly summon 2 horrors behind the enemy squadren to prevent fleeing)

Chaos lord has better stats overall and makes units of certain elites troops, so you can use berzerkers/plague marines or noise marines as troops ect.
A sorceror makes thousand sons scoring, but they aren't a great unit (really expensive in points)

In answer to your second question, yes you can - you'd also need to have the chaos demons codex and a hq. Then you could take them as allies and they could deep strike in on turn 2. (to sum up - yes but it's expensive in actual £)

Edit: there are also better sorts of demons

PredaKhaine wrote:

Edit: there are also better sorts of demons

this i know but horrors the only ones i know without looking up the website.

my paint design will revolve around my gamertag TYForthevenom (lots of dark greens etc)

i have decided on Chaos Sorc and Typhus for my HQ's going for a nurgle army with alternating chaos deamons / Orks Orks Orks Orks as allies (depending on the situation)

I don't overly like the defiler model, I need to think how to convert one to make it bearable. The forgefiend is a better looking model and the Strength 8 autocannons does give it certain advantages; as does it demon inv save, over havocs. But it comes at a price.

As for allies go with the Orks orks orks orks. Nothing says I'm going to assault you like a couple of ork trukks packed full of orks running with a couple of CSM maulerfiends and a rhino.

Typhus is great if you plan on running a horde of zombies as your troops. I have seen it and it is great fun.

The defiler I agree is not as nice looking and is getting up there in points but that battle cannon is great. It is a "back yard" protector: if anyone comes in on one of the table edges it can handle it due to it being reasonable in melee.

The "maulerfiend" in fast attack is a better use of the model, the points cost is a deal. The reduced WS of the forgefield makes it no better than TL AC dreads for more points.

Bikes are the cheap points item to look into in the codex.

The Helldrake is just plain evil for what it does.

Trying to help out, I have been looking at similar things and is fun in the end, it is a shame with the forgefiend: I do like the look of it.

yeah i plan on getting 1 defiler 1 helldrake 1 maul/forgefiend (alread have the csm starter bundle with a rhino transport etc)