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Chaos Lord 175pts
Murder Sword, Burning Brand of Skarthanax, SoC, MOK,Votlw

Typhus 230pts


CSM(10) 248pts
Plasma, Meta, IoW, MOK, Votlw, 9xCCW, (AC-LC)

CSM(10) 238pts
Plasma, Melta, MoN, Votlw, 9xCCW, (AC-LC)

HellBrute x2 220pts
Combi-bolter

Skarbrand 225pts

Bloodletters (15) 185pts
Blood Reaver-LR, Icon, instrument

Plague Bearers (10) 125pts
Plague Ridden-LR, Icon, Instrument

Soul Grinder 180pts
MoN, Phlegm

Soul Grinder 180pts
MoN, Phlegm

1986 pts

A single model cannot have two Chaos Artefacts, you are only able to swap ONE weapon for ONE Chaos Artefact. I used to make the same mistake.

You're bringing Typhus and no zombies? no plague marines?

I find mixing weapons in squads a flavor thing, I recommend against it, but I'm sure someone is going to come in and say I'm wrong. And they would be just as right as I am.

Combi-bolters on Helbrutes are unnecessary.

Skarbrand brings your HQ point total to 600 pts. way high imo.

You cannot run 2 soul grinders in a single FoC Allied detatchment.


My recommendations:

Drop the murder sword, mark that lord nurgle if you want to keep him, swap the marine squads in for plague marines and toss typhus out the window. If you don't bring zombies or termies, he simply doesn't fit the list for his point cost. Get Rhinos for the smaller squads of PMs

Turn Skarbrand into a Bloodthirster, you can now fly.

drop the plagueridden, the only nurgle unit that makes sense to upgrade is the plague drones. With plaguebearers it would make more sense to have a herald of nurgle. That isn't possible for you.

Drop the second grinder, grab a drake. Perhaps a second drake with the points you saved from dropping typhus.

I think you should invert your army. Run daemons main detachment then run CSM as an ally. Need to make list legal first. No need for typhus if youre not running zombies. 1 bloodthirster, 2 grinders, bloodletters, 1 nurgle csm termie lord, 2 units plague marines with plasma (maybe rhinos), some termies, 1 heldrake w baleflmer,
You will need to decide if youre going to run aggresive or not. Personally the bloodthirster is a beast so go aggro

Droping second grinder and MS for six(6) termies three(3) with lc's with MoN. I disagree with your statement on typhus he has never failed me with csm's as back-up but I do see your point. My chaos Lord kill's most ic's reliably. As for the drakes not a fan havent decided to pic one up yet or not


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 Ineedvc2500 wrote:
I think you should invert your army. Run daemons main detachment then run CSM as an ally. Need to make list legal first. No need for typhus if youre not running zombies. 1 bloodthirster, 2 grinders, bloodletters, 1 nurgle csm termie lord, 2 units plague marines with plasma (maybe rhinos), some termies, 1 heldrake w baleflmer,
You will need to decide if youre going to run aggresive or not. Personally the bloodthirster is a beast so go aggro

DEMONS are getting harder to find an opponent to play against because I have yet to loose since the codex came out 30-0 with several different builds. Tried your build in past No fun to play have pissed off two gaming groups SO am trying a different plan. Besides Skarbrand eats everything.

Nice record. You need to find a diff group. They should be able to put up some sort of fight. They arent chllenging enough. Make the best list possible and wreck face. If they cant keep up, dont slow down. Theyll learn eventually. But be n i c e.
It sounds like you were made to play daemons. The last thing you should do is make the dark gods angry lol. Make the best possible list

No offense but if you are winning its bcuz you probably cheated since you used illegal list seeing that you took 2 soulgrinder on allied detachment. it apears you are trading chainsword for murder sword and bolter/pistol for brand so how is that illegal?

I think ineedvc2500 has a valid point inverting your army so you can have 2 soulgrinder. How ever if lord mon is ally, you do not unlock plague marines as troops, but you are using regular csm.

For 230pts I would have a flying dp instead of typhus.

I agree you need to get a new gaming group. Id suggest looking at the Tournament scene that might suit you better. As for the list sorry to say but it is a total mess.

Really expensive Khorne Lord that can kill 1 character and then is basically useless. Better hope your opponent has a really expensive character your Lord can beat...

Typhus is wasted with no plague marines or Zombies. You're just throwing away points.

CC marines squads with plasma guns? Plasma and melta in the same squad is a bad idea. You should match special weapons so the unit is good at a job rather than the unit being good at nothing. Plasma guns in a squad you want to charge with are pointless.

Hellbrutes are not effective. No way to get into melta range and no good fire support builds available. Maulerfiends would do the job infinitely better.

Your Daemons are illegal. Skarbrand generally works best with Slaanesh stuff, though he is a beat stick. Soulgrinders are perfect but you're only allowed one. Bloodletters and Plaguebearers are OK.

I have never played this list it was just built earlier Thursday.

My dominant list is Skarbrand 4 10 man letter squads 2 10 man Deamonettes w/2 HoS with Locus of swiftness 2 Soul Grinders MoN phlegm. Chaos Lord BBoS SoC PS CSM(10) PLASMA MELTA Votlw ccw MoK PF IoW Hellbrute Combi-bolter

 KU'GATH wrote:
I have never played this list it was just built earlier Thursday.

My dominant list is Skarbrand 4 10 man letter squads 2 10 man Deamonettes w/2 HoS with Locus of swiftness 2 Soul Grinders MoN phlegm. Chaos Lord BBoS SoC PS CSM(10) PLASMA MELTA Votlw ccw MoK PF IoW Hellbrute Combi-bolter

My eyes, they're burning

Seriously though, I'd run 4x10 'nettes and 2x10 letters in that list, as they're as survivable but 'letters are signifigantly slower, and if they don't get to charge they lose all momentum in combat. Helbrute would be better as a Maulerfiend too.

Other Option is

SKARBRAND 225PTS

KU'GATH 260PTS

2*10 LETTERS 135pts (270pts)
Blood Reaver LR, ICON, INSTRUMENT

2*10 LETTERS 115pts (230pts)
Blood Reaver LR

2*10 Plague Bearers 135pts (270pts)
Plague Ridden LR, Icon, Instrument

2* Soul Grinder 180pts (360pts)
MoN, Phlegm

Chaos Lord 145pts
BBoS, SoC, PS, MoK

10* CSM 265Pts
Plasma*2, CCW, MoK, Votlw, IoW,(AC-LC)

HellBrute 120Pts
Flammer

This list is better but i still think you need to wreck some more face. Drop hellbrute, and icon. No marks on CSM. Maybe drop some CSMs as well.I think that should be enough for...wait for it....Heldrake. This guy is the king slayer. Armes are turning to mostly infantry now and the heldrake is running rampant. Every army that can ally with CSM is runnin this bad boy in allied detachment. If you turn to the tourny scene youre gonna wanna run the best possible list. Heldrake should be considered. For example Necrons are a top teir army atm. Im seeing them running heldrake with cultists and daemon prince MoT with black mace wings or a cheap lord/psyker.

So far i am not impressed by the drake they have been played the last 5-6 games i have played and done nothing to me except kill 6-7 bloodletters before getting killed.other than drakes any other ideas

Drop MoK, IoW, and do not purchase ccw. If you want ccw, trade bolter for it n take plasma pistols instead of gun. At that point I would rather have 2 meltaguns instead. then you drop hellbrute like ineed2500 said so you take hel turkey.

The mark n icon are already 40pts so down grade plasma guns for melta guns and you have 10pts availabel then drop that brute 120pts.




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Oh, if you dunlyk da drake try hades fiend for 5 more pts. in my opinion I dont find it attractive since I can get havocs wit 4 ac to do the same shooting at 1 less strength.

What are your csm allies doing that your daemons cannot? I would ally wit ig to get 2 vendetas for insane air power, but you are fighting tau so I would get better non ds and flyer options. There for mauler fiend sounds better as it is fast n kills armor.

The CSM'S give me a seventh(7) scoring unit as well as some much needed shooting. Also they get 40 s5 atks on the charge while getting to re-roll charge range, while getting to over-watch and counter-attack

Personally I like tge idea of inverting the list. Havimg daemons as primary allows warp storm etc as well. I run a double force double ally list at 2k:

Bloodthirster (with portalglyph)
Scarbrand
4 x 10 letters
2 x CSM daemon princes
2 x 10 cultists
2 x helbrutes
2 x maulerfiends

Plenty of cheap scoring units that start in reserve and slowly spill onto the board to claim the objectives once my monstets have decimated the enemy. 3 FMCs and 2 maulerfiends as some serious fast and scary gak followed by Skarbrand and 2 helbrutes. Best part is the low model count makes it fun to play and fluffy too

Juggalo thats a great aggro list. Cultists back field obj holders any everyhtning else gets in your ops face quick. Are getting a turn 2 charge off?

Depends on the opponent but mostly I charge turn 2. The look on peoples faces when they have that many large monsters coming at them is priceless! Very fun to play. (Except against my brother who just bought a grey knights atmy to counter me)

 Juggalo17 wrote:
Personally I like tge idea of inverting the list. Havimg daemons as primary allows warp storm etc as well. I run a double force double ally list at 2k:

Bloodthirster (with portalglyph)
Scarbrand
4 x 10 letters
2 x CSM daemon princes
2 x 10 cultists
2 x helbrutes
2 x maulerfiends

Plenty of cheap scoring units that start in reserve and slowly spill onto the board to claim the objectives once my monstets have decimated the enemy. 3 FMCs and 2 maulerfiends as some serious fast and scary gak followed by Skarbrand and 2 helbrutes. Best part is the low model count makes it fun to play and fluffy too

Love the list suit's my play style

Been toying with this idea

Chaos Lord 155pts
MOK,SoC,BBoS, PS

Typhus 230pts

Cultists (10) 50pts (zombies)

Plague Marines (10) x2 580pts
Melta(2),Votlw,(PC-LC,MELTA-BOMBS)

CSM (10) 219Pts
Mok,melta(2),CCW(9),IoW,(AC-LC,Melta-bombs)

Termies (6) 299pts
Dual-LC(5),(TC-DUAL-LC)

FORGEFIEND 200pts
Hades auto-cannon,ecto-Plasma Cannon

Oblits(3) 237pts
MoN,Votlw

The list I am building towards (waiting for plastic bloodthirsters) is a simple 2000pt double FOC daemons list.

4 x bloodthirsters
4 x 10 bloodletters
2 x khorne DPs

Flying circus khorne style. Yes its low on scoring units but that is what tge portal glyph and warp storm are for

 Juggalo17 wrote:
The list I am building towards (waiting for plastic bloodthirsters) is a simple 2000pt double FOC daemons list.

4 x bloodthirsters
4 x 10 bloodletters
2 x khorne DPs

Flying circus khorne style. Yes its low on scoring units but that is what tge portal glyph and warp storm are for

Dual force org 6 fmc's ouch anything you catch is dead it's just to stupid to realize it yet