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 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah but they are the only ones I can see actually working in real life.

This isn't real life though. And why would you want it to be? Real life has a distinct lack of jetpacks and power armor.

Because we all want to see Orky "Teknikool Maztury of da syenss of stompa-makin' "

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah but they are the only ones I can see actually working in real life.

This isn't real life though. And why would you want it to be? Real life has a distinct lack of jetpacks and power armor.

Ever heard about NASA, they uses jetpacks alot. Powered armour is at least researched upon.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah but they are the only ones I can see actually working in real life.

This isn't real life though. And why would you want it to be? Real life has a distinct lack of jetpacks and power armor.

Ever heard about NASA, they uses jetpacks alot. Powered armour is at least researched upon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im1iNq02Kz0

The pinnacle of jetpack science...

It's rather limited.

NASA not WASA.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah but they are the only ones I can see actually working in real life.

This isn't real life though. And why would you want it to be? Real life has a distinct lack of jetpacks and power armor.

Ever heard about NASA, they uses jetpacks alot. Powered armour is at least researched upon.

Jetpacks in zero gravity. In real life jetpacks are made impractical by the fact that you can only really carry enough fuel to get you high enough to fall to your death but not high enough to save your sorry arse with a parachute. Also, when I'm talking power armor, I mean like blatant supermagic like in Crysis or Metroid that can let infantry men walk off nuclear weapons, kickflip a tank, and look badass while doing so. Real power armor is likely going to stop at about "can stop RPG rounds and let you heft around crew served weapons".

Also other things Real Life doesn't let us have, reality warping powers, robots that eliminate all labor and allow us to live lives devoted to our own enjoyment, education uploaders that eliminate the need for schooling, ways to cheat death, hordes of aliens to fight and look awesome doing so (god damn the speed of light), time travel, giant monsters that spit fire, and all other sorts of neat stuff.

Really real life's main draw is the people in it and social interaction, the physical laws of it seem custom built to make sure none of the really awesome stuff is possible.

 Flinty wrote:
Modern materials can build tower blocks 800m tall. The only thing we're lacking in the construction of giant stompy robots is an appropriately compact power source. the main reason we're not looking for such uses at this point is that we have guided missile technology allowing kneeseeker missiles to be constructed to counter giant stompy robots.

It's because we silly humans do not have void shields which can absorb such amounts of punishment that any armor looks ridiculous in comparison. Sending one expensive missile will have zero effect on titan despite its power. We will just make fools of ourselves then it will be intercepted.

I for example find Titans to be perfectly fine in warhammer's inner logic. Also, I see only one (surface pressure) physical problem to construct such creation in real life, granted that we have same technologies as they do.

The more interesting thing I think is limited AI called- Machine spirit that can be observed in Titans. In novel ''Mechanicus" there is one place there princeps had to manually assume control in fear of machine overriding its orders and firing its weapons on the enemy from its rage. There are also mentions that machine spirit is vengeful creation which will punish princeps for abandoning it. Even more, it's heavily implied that machine spirit in time will overwhelm or at least will shape princeps personality with its own which every titan have unique one. Oldest of princeps actually are just little more than an extension of machine spirit, echoing through its chambers, giving orders in binary and have little in common with humanity.
Sometimes this artificial intelligence likes to toy with its crew, sending false data readings to its sensors to ''stimulate'' its inhabitants as it was observed in ''Titanicus'' novel. Due to that, I would say that Titans are in fact aware of themselves and is a creature or an animal in its own right. In fact, increasing self-awareness can be observed in all Adeptus mechanicus engineering. Lowest creations of course have no observable entity in itself while greatest ships of adeptus mechanicus have machine spirits of their own which speaks with its crew. Sometimes even threatens it (In throne of lies audio drama you can see ship's AI which have its own personality too). I think it's obvious that this is true AI even if it's limited which have personality of its own which forms from its experiences.
Due to all of that I would say that Tau is already splitting of in advancement of their own technology to different direction. Tau do not have their own weapons who can bully them around and probably they never will. I think that Machine spirit might be responsible for dynamic software defense and possible offense (similar like in mass-effect 2 game) due to very same reason. It can respond in machine-like speed to changing situations and over that it have algorithms which are capable of abstract thought (due to personalities and emotions).

Limited, it's stated to change the personalities of the personnel. That points to to that the AI is close to human in intelligence. It's that the AI here ain't allowed to go beyond that because of bad history, and that obviously compensates for the ridiculous design of the Titans. I mean they look like a human for the most part even so the Machine Spirits must be pretty advanced in keeping how it is. Remember the Machine Spirit at a Landraider of the Crimson Fists basically stopped a Waaagh! on it own.

I always have seen machine spirits as a half-hearted attempt to hide their AIs. Seeing as ships somehow have their own very advanced artificial intelligence I suspect that you cannot keep Adeptus mechanicus curiosity down just by a forbidance of god.

Ernestas wrote:
I always have seen machine spirits as a half-hearted attempt to hide their AIs. Seeing as ships somehow have their own very advanced artificial intelligence I suspect that you cannot keep Adeptus mechanicus curiosity down just by a forbidance of god.

It's all part of the Void Dragon's plan to bring about the dominion of the machine. Just you wait.

Not really, they are there and they are at their limit. Nothing more, the Void Dragon can't do anything more but try to heal from the damage Empy inflicted on it eons ago.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Not really, they are there and they are at their limit. Nothing more, the Void Dragon can't do anything more but try to heal from the damage Empy inflicted on it eons ago.

Except the fact that it's so integrated into Imperial society that humanity would die without it. It's rapidly gaining strength and all indications seem to point to the age of humanity ending shortly. This is the time of ending. The Throne is failing. Cadia has fallen. The Tyranids have shattered the gates. The Orks are rampaging through segmentum Solar. The Tau are ascendant. The Dark Eldar can do as they please. The Eldar seem to be regaining in strength and boldness, the Necrons are waking up, and every minor xeno race with a bone to pick with humanity is crawling out of the woodworks.

This is an age marked by the arrival of Hive Fleet Behemoth, the Tyranids have made the Imperium bleed, and now the sharks are circling the body. Mankind still has fight in her, but it seems that now defeat is inevitable and sooner or later, the High Lords of Terra are going to be doing Hitler Rant styled melt downs as the enemies close around the palace at Terra, ordering nonexistent divisions clinging onto a futile hope for victory when the alien has already dashed any such hope against the rocks.

The age of man has ended, the time of the Alien is now.

Rapidly gaining strength. I really hit your nerve? Didn't I? This is a setting where Status Quo is God. Do you think the Void Dragon will break free anytime soon? In that case your really like your own case-breaking fanfiction.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Rapidly gaining strength. I really hit your nerve? Didn't I? This is a setting where Status Quo is God. Do you think the Void Dragon will break free anytime soon? In that case your really like your own case-breaking fanfiction.

The metaplot is quite clear that humanity's extinction is inevitable by this point. Think of Nazi Germany in 1944, they still ruled over most of Europe but it was obvious to anyone that they were doomed.

The IOM has been dying 10k. years. Speedy recovery Void dragon.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The IOM has been dying 10k. years. Speedy recovery Void dragon.

Actually the Imperium was at it's zenith not too long ago following Macharius' conquest of an entire new Segmentum. Then the Tyranids showed up not long after golden fancypants bit the dust and everything started tumbling downhill in rapid succession. The time of ending is the Imperium's last stand, they are going to lose and do so spectacularly. But oh boy are they not going to make it easy for anyone involved.

Yeah and the lame Tau has came along as well, and Failabbaddon has made 13 crusades without any result other than massive loss of life.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah and the lame Tau has came along as well, and Failabbaddon has made 13 crusades without any result other than massive loss of life.

Gryphonne IV, a forgeworld often held second only to Mars itself, has fallen. That is a very bad sign. Entire chunks of the Imperium have been cut off because of hive fleet leviathan's sweeping advances, attempts at holding back the hive fleets are failing, Abaddon is starting to move past Cadia, the Tau are expanding more rapidly than ever, Necrons are waking up all over the place, and did I mention that Gazghkull is at large in segmentum Solar to form up a waaagh even bigger than the last one? Said WAAAGH having over two thousand capital ships?

Catastrophes is the name and the game of this setting. The IOM have survived if they haven't thrived. Similar things have happened before.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Catastrophes is the name and the game of this setting. The IOM have survived if they haven't thrived. Similar things have happened before.

Yes, but they were all happening one at a time. These catastrophes are all happening simultaneously and many of them are black crusade level threats or even worse.

Status quo is God pure and simple. stop smarking over that I beat you once, just move on, everyone can make mistakes.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Status quo is God pure and simple. stop smarking over that I beat you once, just move on, everyone can make mistakes.

Pardon me but please indicate where I showed any signs of being butthurt?

Or did Quisling surgically remove any reading comprehension in Norway?

Read any posts you have posted lately Kain about me?

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Read any posts you have posted lately Kain about me?

You mean where I showed that your attempt at applying middle school level life science to a setting where "a wizard did it" is par the course to be utterly misguided?

And I thought Scandinavians were supposed to be intelligent.

No I showed you went up against fluff, with the Space Wolves codex. The wolves there are a native species, they were there before the humans, the Space Wolves didn't come from them, and doesn't become them, infact if I was you I would hide my head in shame like the ostrich of the Katzenjammer Kidz. I have things from the codex of the Space Wolves and you have badly tried to ridicule me at every point since that.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
No I showed you went up against fluff, with the Space Wolves codex. The wolves there are a native species, they were there before the humans, the Space Wolves didn't come from them, and doesn't become them, infact if I was you I would hide my head in shame like the ostrich of the Katzenjammer Kidz. I have things from the codex of the Space Wolves and you have badly tried to ridicule me at every point since that.

I never once took a side as to whether the Fenrisian wolves came from the planet or not because I honestly didn't care for the debate. I was simply mocking your obstinate desire to try and apply real world biology into the same setting where giant dinosaur locusts can zip trillions of miles across space with magical gravity beams and drink up oceans through a giant straw. It doesn't matter to me if they're mutants or are native wolves. What mattered to me is how ridiculous you looked flapping your arms around crying foul with the laws of biology where they quite blatantly do not apply.

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Read any posts you have posted lately Kain about me?

You mean where I showed that your attempt at applying middle school level life science to a setting where "a wizard did it" is par the course to be utterly misguided?

And I thought Scandinavians were supposed to be intelligent.

Brilliant!

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
No I showed you went up against fluff, with the Space Wolves codex. The wolves there are a native species, they were there before the humans, the Space Wolves didn't come from them, and doesn't become them, infact if I was you I would hide my head in shame like the ostrich of the Katzenjammer Kidz. I have things from the codex of the Space Wolves and you have badly tried to ridicule me at every point since that.

I never once took a side as to whether the Fenrisian wolves came from the planet or not because I honestly didn't care for the debate. I was simply mocking your obstinate desire to try and apply real world biology into the same setting where giant dinosaur locusts can zip trillions of miles across space with magical gravity beams and drink up oceans through a giant straw. It doesn't matter to me if they're mutants or are native wolves. What mattered to me is how ridiculous you looked flapping your arms around crying foul with the laws of biology where they quite blatantly do not apply.

So much joy from this argument!

You paint it red, press the biggest button, shout WAAAAAGH! at the top of your lungs and hope for the best.

The Machine spirit keeps it upright. Any other belief is heresy.

wilsjur wrote:
The Machine spirit keeps it upright. Any other belief is heresy.

Well spoken, young Tech-Adept.

Don't worry lads. The Omnissiah has good answers to all your questions....