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So seeing the latest FAQ from GW. The Chariot of Tzeentch with an exalted flamer is still all heavy, i mean is this chariot suppose to be this bad? Think they will errata this? Did i miss somewhere in the Rulebook that a rider on a chariot is relentless?

Thanks.

If you want to fire those, don't move.

No Relentless (that would only help in combat speed anyway).

If you want to use them, turbo boost into position and fire next turn if its still alive.

It's a good thing that it's not relentless, otherwise it would be awfully broken, for now I think it's hard to use but could still be very good (need to field several and offer other dangerous targets I guess)

The main problem is that the Helldrake should never have been given an AP3 flamer (Why not simply give him the same as the 130 points HellHound ?) and it thus gives a bad point of reference / comparison

I can see the d3 las shots being heavy... but the flamer being heavy also.

I guess not moving and firing the las is good. Or like said turbo up and either be in a position for flamer, or drive by sweep attacks and then chariot charge something else.

Can the flamer at least be used on overwatch.

Flamer can be used on over watch i think... Also does thing still count as a heavy choice if you put a herald of tzeench on it as a transport?

Seems to be an option for him so it's HQ.

 grendel083 wrote:
No Relentless (that would only help in combat speed anyway).

If you want to use them, turbo boost into position and fire next turn if its still alive.

Re-thinking this...

Tsilber wrote:
I can see the d3 las shots being heavy... but the flamer being heavy also.

I guess not moving and firing the las is good. Or like said turbo up and either be in a position for flamer, or drive by sweep attacks and then chariot charge something else.

Problem is the short range on both, once you move in range (and can't fire) you're basically in range to be charged without ever having shot.

As it stands right now it's really hard to get any shooting done with the thing :/

But the chariot doesn't have the firing weapons. It says "exalted flamer only" which in this case is the crew.... I think it was suppose to mean you get the pink and blue fire on the chariot when an exalted flamer is on board, meaning the IC who takes this as a DC doenst get the bonus.

But it clearly says "Pink and Blue fire of Tzeench, exalted flamer only" and he is not relentless. So i think he is treated as a passenger firing from an open top transport. Meaning if it moves, he can only snap fire. Since the weapons are "heavy"

** also this thing can still move 12" (doing sweep attacks if close enough). snap fire the d3 lascannon shot, and then still charge doing impact hits. and then the Exalted flamer can attack?

I dont have the books in front of me at the moment, but I don't think it can charge if it fires the heavy weapon.

cryhavok wrote:
I dont have the books in front of me at the moment, but I don't think it can charge if it fires the heavy weapon.

Vehicles are relentless. The rider is not charging, the vehicle is. The vehicle is not firing the weapon, the rider is.

So at least thats one positive thing... ^^

 HoverBoy wrote:
As it stands right now it's really hard to get any shooting done with the thing :/

As with all things Tzeentch in the new book.
Daemon: "Ok, I passed my Psychic test, now I'm going to--"
Opponent: "DENIED!"
Daemon: *cries softly* "Curse you, Robin Crudface."

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