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JWhex wrote:
Lorgar may have fallen to chaos first but Lorgar did indeed join Horus. Horus was warmaster and had the loyalty of several other traitor legions. Lorgar had little more than contempt from the other legions. While Erebus manipulated and schemed in the fall of Horus, it was still Horus who held the reigns of power. Lorgar was barely in charge of his own legion and Kurze would have butchered Lorgar had Lorgar tried to order him around, same with Angron.

I know you just like to be contrary but why would you say that Horus joined Lorgar, that doesnt make any sense at all even as flame bait.

Afraid not, it was through the orders of Lorgar that Horus fell. Horus believes himself to be the main man, believes that the decision to fall was his, but it wasn't. It was Lorgar's. Horus is dancing along to Lorgar's tune, and the best part is he doesn't even know it. Oh, not to mention he managed to attack Fulgrim and start a ruckus on Horus' own ship, Horus panicking and deferring to Magnus (Who was on the other side of the galaxy) to restrain their brother, and when he grabbed Lorgar's arm, Lorgar telepathically forced him to unhand him.

Orly? Barely in charge of his own Legion? Strange, considering Know No Fear confirms that lately Erebus and Kor Phaeron feel jelly and threatened by Lorgar, who is now psychically far more powerful than they, and now he controls the Legion. Hell, even when he was bitch Lorgar, when Kor Phaeron went too far Lorgar nearly strangled him, reminding him of who was in charge.

Curze butcher Lorgar? I doubt it. Angron? Lorgar talks gak to Angron's face.

Horus may be Warmaster, but funnily enough, no one seems to respect him for it.

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 HeraldofDisease wrote:

 Badablack wrote:
Konrad Kurze.

He is vengeance.

He is the night.

He is Batman.

If batman were homicidal then yes. lol

If I remember correctly there were a few comics where he did indulge in the ol Murder Death Kill.

Yeah there were. lol. I wasn't thinking of those.


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lol. I love the "He wasn't a dick reason" Priceless.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:

JWhex wrote:
Lorgar may have fallen to chaos first but Lorgar did indeed join Horus. Horus was warmaster and had the loyalty of several other traitor legions. Lorgar had little more than contempt from the other legions. While Erebus manipulated and schemed in the fall of Horus, it was still Horus who held the reigns of power. Lorgar was barely in charge of his own legion and Kurze would have butchered Lorgar had Lorgar tried to order him around, same with Angron.

I know you just like to be contrary but why would you say that Horus joined Lorgar, that doesnt make any sense at all even as flame bait.

Afraid not, it was through the orders of Lorgar that Horus fell. Horus believes himself to be the main man, believes that the decision to fall was his, but it wasn't. It was Lorgar's. Horus is dancing along to Lorgar's tune, and the best part is he doesn't even know it. Oh, not to mention he managed to attack Fulgrim and start a ruckus on Horus' own ship, Horus panicking and deferring to Magnus (Who was on the other side of the galaxy) to restrain their brother, and when he grabbed Lorgar's arm, Lorgar telepathically forced him to unhand him.

Orly? Barely in charge of his own Legion? Strange, considering Know No Fear confirms that lately Erebus and Kor Phaeron feel jelly and threatened by Lorgar, who is now psychically far more powerful than they, and now he controls the Legion. Hell, even when he was bitch Lorgar, when Kor Phaeron went too far Lorgar nearly strangled him, reminding him of who was in charge.

Curze butcher Lorgar? I doubt it. Angron? Lorgar talks gak to Angron's face.

Horus may be Warmaster, but funnily enough, no one seems to respect him for it.

Now I agree with most, but in a straight fight, Kurze, and Angron would kill him. It's alluded to MANY times that he is ultimately the weakest (Physically) of the Primarchs. His weapon in Zeal, and zeal while it may be amazing, and can do miracles, isn't the best weapon to rely on in a fight. He is tenacious, he is unyielding, but in the end I just don't think he could physically outmatch either of them.

Lorgar's greatest weapon is actually his psychic prowess, second only to Magnus, in regards to the Primarchs, it's safe to assume that when boosted by the Warp he ranks in the top 10 human psykers.

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
Lorgar's greatest weapon is actually his psychic prowess, second only to Magnus, in regards to the Primarchs, it's safe to assume that when boosted by the Warp he ranks in the top 10 human psykers.

He is a great psyker, though I still believe Angron would win. Just because I'm sure once he goes berserk mode (Which is pretty much always. lol) I really think his mind would be too crazed to even NOTICE a psychic attack. Not to mention what it may do to someone who touches a mind that crazed. While I like Lorgar alot too. I just don't see him being able to put angron on his ass let alone beat him. Now if this isn't relating to Angron/Lorgar fight then hell yeah! lol. Lorgar is awesome. That would be really neat to see though. Lorgar vs MAgnus. Of course Magnus would win, but it would be a damn good fight.

 HeraldofDisease wrote:
Now I agree with most, but in a straight fight, Kurze, and Angron would kill him. It's alluded to MANY times that he is ultimately the weakest (Physically) of the Primarchs. His weapon in Zeal, and zeal while it may be amazing, and can do miracles, isn't the best weapon to rely on in a fight. He is tenacious, he is unyielding, but in the end I just don't think he could physically outmatch either of them.

Lorgar has long stopped being a punk bitch. Even Angron compliments him on his physical prowess now.

Lorgar probably could not beat Angron, but Curze?

I'm becoming more and more of a fan of Fulgrim the more I read of him. Most people see the perfectionism as his hallmark trait, but he is more than anything super-determined to prove his worth. Spent his childhood years on an irradiated rock where nothing worked. Spent three decades figuring out just how to get stuff working again, then somehow managed to turn a world pretty much in nuclear apocalypse mode into a center for the arts.
Then the Emperor show up, gives him his legion, and he goes "wow... nifty". Promptly decides that his legion is going to WIN AT EVERYTHING FOREVER! His overall legion tactics are basically copypasta'd by Guilleman for the codex, with the exception that big blue didn't have the completely awesome legionaries dedicated to the philosophy of perfecting the art of war. The fact that Sanguinius (whom was regularly considered the most awesome by all his brothers) outright says that the EC's Lord Commanders are the best thing since the holy bolter shows something. This is why I'm starting a pre/post-heresy EC army soon. Sons of Rylanor here we go!