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So i am currently running a infantry heavy IG force and wanted to get daemons for a display piece i want to make, then i thought well if i get them i might as well try them out on the field of war. In my local group we typically run between 1000 and 2000 points but more often then not we do 1500, I see Tau, DA, SM and soon eldar on the field of war.

So my questions are what do daemons bring to an IG army?

Is it a good idea?

Im thinking as an assault element they can cover IG weakness of that, maybe play all IG on home side and use Daemons to play outfield.

How would your 1500 pt armies look if you were using IG and Daemons?


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anyone?

I currently play CSM with a side of Daemon allies, but I'm starting an IG force with focus on infantry. I would think that the BT and bloodletters would work as a sort of beta-strike to bolster a strong shooting army.

Karios is good for all those IG roll needs.

I'm really not a fan of Daemons allies with IG. Most of the stuff you want to take in the Daemons codex seems crammed into the Fast Attack and HQ sections, which are limited to 1 each in allied detachments. And, unfortunately, Daemons Troops are pretty bad with the exception of Plaguebearers, which you don't need since you already have access to good objective-holding units.

On the other hand, I think running Daemons primary with allied IG is a much stronger combination since it allows the Daemons to skimp on their crappy Troops and take advantage of IG strengths.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Karios is good for all those IG roll needs.

Fateweaver only lets you reroll 1D6 per turn, the best uses of which are for the Grimoire and Warp Storm table (in that order), neither of which you have access to in an allied Daemons detachment led by Fateweaver. And IG tends to work via weight of fire, so a single D6 reroll is less effective for them than for some other armies.

Would you still get the warp storm effect if daemons are allies?

I understand that the Daemons troops are a little fragile but i was wanting to do like two units of bloodletters with a blood thurster to make up for IGs CC.

Also maybe the plaguebearers could be an option if they are thick enough to hold a center objective fairly well, as of now it seems when my IG gain a center obj to early they get chewed up or become less effective because i have to commit them to a single spot that my not have good LOS to the enemy thus reducing their fire.

Solosam47 wrote:
Would you still get the warp storm effect if daemons are allies?

No. If you want warp storm, run daemons as primary. You can bring quite a few IG as allies.

While I agree that IG are probably the best allies force in the game due to the infinitely expanding FOC slots the daemons actually make pretty good allies for an IG force.

First you loose the warp storm chart if you run them as allies. Some will say this is a positive and some a negative, I prefer not having to remember an additional chart and I only have a modest allies detachment of daemons where I like the nurgle daemons.

I have run this in 2 ways depending on the IG list.
For an AirCav IG list I run 3 vendettas and vets. I then deploy the nurgle daemons - GUO (w/ portaglyph) and 3x plaglings behind LoS blocking terrain spread behind an ADL w/ comms array. These guys are incredibly hard to kill and if I can get some ruins become nearly impossible to kill. I can then run the GUO up the board and leave the nurglings to hold an objective. The portaglyph can be popped off behind LoS blocking terrain and create plaguebearers all game. This alleviates most of my problems with staying on the board and helps with my biggest weakness of my low troop unit count.

The other way is to run a IG gunline and use the daemons as deepstriking scoring and contesting as all of the units have deepstrike and most are relatively cheap. I love deepstriking the GUO behind the enemy ADL with their longfangs. Pop the portaglyph nearby behind some group of walls and laugh as you spawn troops directly into the enemies' own deployment zone. This is not as useful as the previous case as I usually have vendetta-pcs for this role if I am being competitive. However this avoids the use of vendettas and thereby the haters screams of anguish. The other part of this is starting the GUO on the board against an assault army which usually buys you another turn of shooting as the enemy has to manoeuvre around him.

I think the GUO, portaglyph, cheep durable troops (ie nurgle) and deepstriking troops can add a lot to IG but it requires your to need one of these things and they can mostly be done "better" by SW.

Yeah as I read up on daemons I feel they have some sweet potential for allies with IG, I love hearing the suggestions of the different tactics.

Ansacs thx for all the ideas, love em! Wasn't thinking nurgle too much but now I'm feeling them.

Bloodthirster, and however few points you can spend on the ally tax.

Perhaps daemonettes since they are good close combat with fleet and rending claws.

yeah im thinking kinda a heavy deep strike allied attachment of daemons to hit back field and drive the enemy into my gunline of IG.

Daemonettes sound good cause of their raised Initiative.

Daemons have a use.

One, they are a good level of allies, meaning they can buff each other up. This comes in usefull, because you can take a herald of tzeentch, and use it to give blob squad's prescience. For less than 50 points. Not bad

Then, you can take hordes of troops, 2 squad's of 20, to give you a buffer from enemy assaults. I would reccomend daemonettes, as they do well against anything, wheras bloodletters only tend to do well against power armour.

Or else, take some plaguebearers in 10 man squad's for a cheap objective sitter that can deepstrike, getting those objectives on the other side of the field can be hard for guard.

Or, take a squad of 20 horrors for your herald of tzeentch. Gives him some safety, and add's a metric ton of firepower, especially with the locus that makes pink horror shooting strength 6. With prescience, that can be horrifically damaging, for a minimal amount of points.


Of course, there is one more option. A bloodthirster, and 10 pink horrors (Minimum troops requirement.) If there is one thing you can use to divert fire from your IG unit's, it's a flying bloodthirster coming right at the enemy. ^^

another fun way to go is speed daemon allies nurglingsor daemonettes for obligatory troops fleshhounds with karnak skulltaker on crusher leading 2 other crusher heralds or just a unit regular crushers with him as some serious melee punch

Haha thanks Evileyes, i like those ideas. Ill need to look over my IG list and figure out which one of those detachment ideas would work best.