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 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Hebrew_Israelites_of_Jerusalem#Status_in_Israel

My friend is a citizen of both Israel and America, from mixed American-Jewish and Indonesian descent. He said that any Jew can theoretically become a citizen of Israel without too much hassle. I took his word for it.

What about the ethiopian Jews?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews_in_Israel

The other link you referenced was regarding a small group relating to "Black Judaism". It's not the same thing as what you get from Ethiopoan Judaism, in that "Black Judiasm" isn't considered authentic Judaism by many Rabbis in Israel. I.E. they may consider it more of a cult of Judiasm.

This isn't the same thing as an African converting to Judaism, such as Sammy Davis Junior, who was involved in mainstream Judaism.

Having said all that, it seems that Ethiopian Jews are dealing with some of the same issues that African Americans have had to deal with in our own history. Although, no where the extremes of prejudice and racism that our unfortunate history is full of.

GG

 Krellnus wrote:

 Mr Hyena wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
Oh Israel...what are we going to do with you?

Disarming them and revoking their statehood might be a good idea.

So your wanting another Holocaust by the Jihadists around them?

They're already doing that to themselves, so what is your point exactly?

Point is removing Israel's army would remove any defense they'd have from the arab jihadis all around them, which would lead to the slaughter of the entire nation.

No one is asking them to remove their army.

When the UK let go of the States, did they lose their army? Of course not!

As an update to the OP;

There has been a second round of Israeli strikes within Syria.

This is what happens when noone does anything about the Syrian conflict...

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
No one is asking them to remove their army.

When the UK let go of the States, did they lose their army? Of course not!

The post I quoted said to disarm Israel though.

I'm already in favor of Israel based on time in the middle east and friends and family who live or have lived in Israel. That said I find, to me, that they are using an extremely light touch most of the time in dealing with their security.

But I judge it by likely American responses. If Mexico (as an example) were regularly lobbing missiles into the US (even if they mostly missed and were doing almost no damage) Mexico would cease to exist as a nation in it's current set-up. (And that would just be Texas's response )

I think a big part of the issue is that Israel operates aggressively and people now think that is wrong. Etiher way good on them for possibly preventing chemical warfare weapons from reaching palestine or jordan.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
No one is asking them to remove their army.

When the UK let go of the States, did they lose their army? Of course not!

That has nothing to do with the current situation...

 purplefood wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
No one is asking them to remove their army.

When the UK let go of the States, did they lose their army? Of course not!

That has nothing to do with the current situation...

I know.

Someone above was talking about it.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm already in favor of Israel based on time in the middle east and friends and family who live or have lived in Israel.

So you don't know any Palestinians or Palestinian emigrants?

At least you admit that you don't treat the situation fairly or without bias I suppose.

Well, Syria seems to be stating the air strikes constitute a declaration of war, so this can get even more fethed.

On the Israel/Palestine issue, it's gakked up and anyone wholeheartedly supporting one side over the other is probably wrong.

Syria is in no place to fight a war and I imagine Israel could just not fight it.

I think Assad is going to go out there barechested and punch Shimon Peres in the face.

They are only attacking targets they have identified as a threat to their own security(weapons being shipped south to potentially be used against Israel)

You can hardly blame them for that.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They are only attacking targets they have identified as a threat to their own security(weapons being shipped south to potentially be used against Israel)

You can hardly blame them for that.

From what I've seen in this thread, sure you can!

Ouze wrote:As an update to the OP;

There has been a second round of Israeli strikes within Syria.

Here's a better video of it.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
They are only attacking targets they have identified as a threat to their own security(weapons being shipped south to potentially be used against Israel)

You can hardly blame them for that.

From what I've seen in this thread, sure you can!

It's actually quite easy, considering there is no oversight as to what "identified as a threat to their own security" means.

 Melissia wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm already in favor of Israel based on time in the middle east and friends and family who live or have lived in Israel.

So you don't know any Palestinians or Palestinian emigrants?

At least you admit that you don't treat the situation fairly or without bias I suppose.

Actually I've met a few Palestinians and I said the Middle East, not just Israel. I'm certainly biased, as is anyone with an opinion, but it's a bias based off education and experience. Kudos to you trying to score a point though.

 Mr Hyena wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Mr Hyena wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
Oh Israel...what are we going to do with you?

Disarming them and revoking their statehood might be a good idea.

So your wanting another Holocaust by the Jihadists around them?

They're already doing that to themselves, so what is your point exactly?

Point is removing Israel's army would remove any defense they'd have from the arab jihadis all around them, which would lead to the slaughter of the entire nation.

And the problem with a nation of hypocrites being removed from the Earth is what exactly?

And here we have someone going to complete opposite of "GO ISRAEL KILL EM ALL".

Middle ground is clearly for chumps. *

*Any position that isn't an extreme is bad.

 azazel the cat wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
They are only attacking targets they have identified as a threat to their own security(weapons being shipped south to potentially be used against Israel)

You can hardly blame them for that.

From what I've seen in this thread, sure you can!

It's actually quite easy, considering there is no oversight as to what "identified as a threat to their own security" means.

Who is in any position to determine what is and isn't a threat to their security if not the country in question?

That's like saying the US should consult with Zimbabwe about the drug cartel violence that's spilling over the Mexican border and what, if anything, should be done about it.

It's actually quite easy, considering there is no oversight as to what "identified as a threat to their own security" means.

Theres no oversight cause noone is bothering to get involved in the Syrian problem...

 Krellnus wrote:

Point is removing Israel's army would remove any defense they'd have from the arab jihadis all around them, which would lead to the slaughter of the entire nation.

And the problem with a nation of hypocrites being removed from the Earth is what exactly?

Grey Templar wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
They are only attacking targets they have identified as a threat to their own security(weapons being shipped south to potentially be used against Israel)

You can hardly blame them for that.

From what I've seen in this thread, sure you can!

It's actually quite easy, considering there is no oversight as to what "identified as a threat to their own security" means.

Who is in any position to determine what is and isn't a threat to their security if not the country in question?

That's like saying the US should consult with Zimbabwe about the drug cartel violence that's spilling over the Mexican border and what, if anything, should be done about it.

Do you ever think about the things that you say?

It's more like saying "The US is allowed to use drone strikes against any American citizen who is deemed 'a threat to national security', and who is in any position to determine what is and isn't a threat if not the US"

EDIT: Seriously. If you're okay with your own reasoning for Israel's actions, then you must also be okay with Obama being allowed to drone strike you for reasons he keeps to himself, as it's the exact same justification.

There is a difference. Israel is a different country. Obama is the president of mine.

 Krellnus wrote:

And the problem with a nation of hypocrites being removed from the Earth is what exactly?

Wow. Even I think that's a bit strong, mate.

Grey Templar wrote:There is a difference. Israel is a different country. Obama is the president of mine.

So then you admit your abject hypocrisy?

What the hell are you talking about? That makes zero sense.

I'm not exactly fond of Israel and think that they are often responsible for a lot of the grief they are getting in the region. They are sharing at least equal blame for the Palestinian aggression against them, and the handling of the Turkish flotilla a few years back was a clusterfethery that they should have received a lot more trouble for (or any trouble really). I am not very far away from considering Israel (the nation and not necessarily the people) warmongers.

That said, I don't really see a problem with these strikes, and compared to their actions over the last few years it seems very restrained and reasonable actually.

 d-usa wrote:
I'm not exactly fond of Israel and think that they are often responsible for a lot of the grief they are getting in the region. They are sharing at least equal blame for the Palestinian aggression against them, and the handling of the Turkish flotilla a few years back was a clusterfethery that they should have received a lot more trouble for (or any trouble really). I am not very far away from considering Israel (the nation and not necessarily the people) warmongers.

That said, I don't really see a problem with these strikes, and compared to their actions over the last few years it seems very restrained and reasonable actually.

Well, I guess it would to you. You are German after all!



Just kidding.

 d-usa wrote:
I'm not exactly fond of Israel and think that they are often responsible for a lot of the grief they are getting in the region. They are sharing at least equal blame for the Palestinian aggression against them, and the handling of the Turkish flotilla a few years back was a clusterfethery that they should have received a lot more trouble for (or any trouble really). I am not very far away from considering Israel (the nation and not necessarily the people) warmongers.

That said, I don't really see a problem with these strikes, and compared to their actions over the last few years it seems very restrained and reasonable actually.

This is reasonable, I've reported you for it.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:There is a difference. Israel is a different country. Obama is the president of mine.

So then you admit your abject hypocrisy?

There is a difference between the Rights of a Sovereign Nation and the President of the United Sates. Obama can't (legally) drone strike his own nation because of the legal limits on what actions he can take against US citizens and on US soil, he is not however, limited in what actions he can take on foreign soil against foreigners, hence the Drone Strikes.