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I just had to make my own. I can give my best advice to make your list better but you know the saying, "You can lead a juggernaut to a pool of blood but you can not make it sip from it, because it will chug it dry." I do plan on running this and making it my Take all comers list. No fluff, want to be competitive if only I knew how. It wont be competitive since I want to use the 2 defilers that I have.

DP, Daemon of Tzeentch, Wings-200

CSM+5, 2 Flamers, trade bolter for ccw, Rhino-185
CSM+5, 2 Plasmaguns, Rhino-205
2xCSM+5, 2 Meltaguns, trade bolters for ccw, Rhino-195x2=390

2xDefilers, trade both arms for DCCW, dirge caster-200x2=400
Vindicator-120

total=1500

5th ed habits are hard for me to break meaning, "Boys before toys," and, " Mehtul Bawkzes!" If I lose to giving up first blood then I am doing it all wrong. 8 targets on the table: 1 FMC, 5 tanks, 2 Walkers. 4 troops 40 bodies. Strategy is speed but its not very fast. I plan on moving the defilers and shooting the main cannon. FMC and vindicator will be following behind 4 rhinos. The plan is perfect until it meets the enemies so I have to keep it simple. I wish I had uber grit but I had to trade bolters to make 3 squads assaulty leaving the plasmagun squad to do all the 24" shooting. If my marines are going to get locked in combat, then I would rather have 2 attacks than the counter attack and rage from MoK which only works on the 1 turn of combat. If my enemies cause my csm to run and get swept then they deserve to be sacrificed to Khorne.

Would like any comments or criticism.
Thank you for reading.

To get this to 1850pts I would just use 2 heldrakes and 10pts somewhere like a siege shield on the vindicator.

 Filch wrote:
No fluff, want to be competitive if only I knew how. It wont be competitive since I want to use the 2 defilers that I have.

Make a choice good sir. I've had a lot of success with CSM book since it came out. I'm glad you can let go of the fluff and try to be competitive. But you are still dragging around dead weight. The best advice I can give you right out of the gate is this, if it has an AV value and doesn't fly... remove that entry from your codex. The only exception to this rule is arguably the tri-las-pred. But it's not my taste and it's still has the handicap of armor value.

If the game did not have flyers it would be a reasonable list.
I think one of the problems you will have with it is that it is not really an assaulty list; you need some spawn/bikes/maluerfiends to run up with the rhinos, and when your rhinos are advancing you are only getting two battle cannon shots and possibly a vindicator shot (subject to range!) so you're not particularly shooty either. I do like the inclusion of the vindicator, it'll give anything trying to get around to the rear armour of the defilers something to think about. I like all the marines in rhinos, they make them much more robust. I also like the spread of assault weapons in the marines, too often flamers are overlooked and they do awesome work vs hordes and such like.

The best thing you could do with the list is to get the FMC into combat really quick and take the heat off the rest of the force.

I've found AV12 to be robust enough in most instances, even better on walkers if you can get them into combat.

well, i wont be playing any tourneys soon, so I wont be facing much flyers at the moment. I only have 1 heldrake but I will save up for the 2nd at which point, I would just swap out the 2 defilers for it, but I am trying very hard to utilize my old models.

Mauler fiends were called Defilers back in the day. The Defiler was the assault walker. Now I am told it can not take 2 additional power fists since the book does not state that I can replace the heavy flamer for that 4th fist. When it says S6 in it's profile does that mean I also 2x it so that it would be S12? I think I remember a rule that capped the S limit to 10.

How would I make it more assaulty if I take away defilers and swap them for heldrakes? I think I can make spawns, I just need to buy the proper bases and I will make a big ball of dismembered body bits as my spawns as they roll into combat. http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/89/1337897944513.jpg

Not trying to make an excuse but I gear up for dealing with being assaulted when I chose ccw over bolter. It is better to be the one assaulting as you get the charge bonuses but I try not to get locked into combat since I want to shoot more blasts. At the same time, it is just nice to have the ccw so that my marines would have 2 attacks in each phase.

food for thought.

DP, DoT, Wings-200

4xCSM+5, 2 Meltaguns, trade bolter for ccw, rhino-195x4=780

Heldrake, BF-170

2xHavocs, 4 AC-115x2=230
Vindicator-120

or

DP, DoT, Wings-200

2 CSM+5, 2 Flamers, trade bolters for ccw, rhino-185x2=370
2 CSM+5, 2 Plasma guns, Rhino-205x2=410

Heldrake, HAC-170

2 Predators, side LC-115x2=230
Vindicator-120

This is what the list would look like with out defilers. Is there anyone wanting to buy a defiler?