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A very expensive piece of equipment making a shaky quality gun that breaks easily. Seems like its hardly much of a threat.

given that criminals have been, as Breotan said, able to make guns with other more easily obtainable materials I think this won't be much more than a novelty for a long time yet. Go ahead and ban them, it'll be just as useless at curbing gun violence as all the other pointless gun legislation.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Yeah, that's why this needs to be regulated -harshly- while Pandora's Box is still just a proof of concept; before it's opened.

Sadly, I'm not certain how to do that without significantly violating the 1st & 4th amendments.

What regulation keeps these designs off servers in the Christmas Islands or wherever?

Pandora's box is already open.
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'd like to see the video of this thing in action, as well as caliber and accuracy reports. Honestly? It sounds like an expensive way to fill yourself with shrapnel.

Seconded. Also:


Holeeeee gak. If this works, then the US government really, really needs to get ahead of this and outlaw it quick with penalties for the blueprint distribution as well. If the blueprint distritubors have no penalty, then it'll create an effectively unlimited supply of untraceable handguns.

Like meth, this is one of those destructive situations that will be not too difficult to stop if actions are taken before the wave starts, because once it starts, -like meth- it'll be impossible to stop.

And before anyone shouts "2nd amendment forever", please note that there cannot be anyone who honestly wants an unlimited supply of untraceable firearms flooding the streets. Seriously. By the very nature of it being untraceable, this will be the bad-guy-with-a-gun's choice of gun.


EDIT: I don't think it's too far of a stretch to be able to (moderately) easily create a version akin to a volcanic pistol, which can be reloaded quite quickly.




I linked a video of it being test fired. their inital AR-15 lower receivers had stress cracking I think after either the 60th or 600th round. (second hand knowledge so no idea of validity, been a min. since buddy of mine was telling me about em)

I think the point the people behind defcad /defense distributed are making is that (woah wild speculation incoming!), by heavily regulating firearms, you're really not protecting society much, as easy as it is to produce your own armada of untraceable firearms quickly by the push of a button. The only difference between these and rubber band/broomstick zip guns that children can build is the ease of production by an individual with an existing 3d printer. By showing how easy it is for an individual to do this, it really paints the importance placed on "criminals not being able to legally get their hands on guns" ... They can just print them.


If he really wanted to make a single shot untraceable firearm, all he needs is a wood dowel, nail and rubber band. should we outlaw the distribution and design of those as well? Not trying to make a strawman argument, just not sure that "oh gak outlaw it!" might be the most sensible solution?


You can't un-invent the sword once its out there. You can't just "take it back"... the files are out there, people have saved them, backed them up, uploaded them to torrent sites, in foreign countries and on foreign servers I presume. I'm sure all the smart criminals have at least. If you doubt that they have I feel like you are not giving organized crime enough credit. I'm pretty positive they are up-to-snuff on new-found tools of assassination etc or one would think they would be..

I think the idea that "the wave" hasn't already started, is a bit naivete. No offense intended.







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The real question in my mind is whether or not this is going to have any significant impact outside of the US in five years or so once the technology's been perfected and 3D printers are much, much more cheaply obtained. We know this is likely going to end up being used by criminals within the US once it becomes easier than acquiring a commercially manufactured gun illegally, but I wonder if other states have the criminal culture that will embrace sudden easy access to guns.
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Yeah, that's why this needs to be regulated -harshly- while Pandora's Box is still just a proof of concept; before it's opened.

Sadly, I'm not certain how to do that without significantly violating the 1st & 4th amendments.

So, given how well piracy has been dealt with on the internet, how do you propose that this is "regulated -harshly"?

 
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'd like to see the video of this thing in action, as well as caliber and accuracy reports. Honestly? It sounds like an expensive way to fill yourself with shrapnel.

Seconded. Also:


Holeeeee gak. If this works, then the US government really, really needs to get ahead of this and outlaw it quick with penalties for the blueprint distribution as well. If the blueprint distritubors have no penalty, then it'll create an effectively unlimited supply of untraceable handguns.

Like meth, this is one of those destructive situations that will be not too difficult to stop if actions are taken before the wave starts, because once it starts, -like meth- it'll be impossible to stop.

And before anyone shouts "2nd amendment forever", please note that there cannot be anyone who honestly wants an unlimited supply of untraceable firearms flooding the streets. Seriously. By the very nature of it being untraceable, this will be the bad-guy-with-a-gun's choice of gun.

Frankenberry wrote:Not sure how you can ban this, given how the internet works. A great innovation if you ask me.

Help me understand why you think an innovation that will see a higher degree of piracy than any other medium ever, and is likely only going to be used against the public good in an uncontrolled manner is "great:". I'm seriously interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: I don't think it's too far of a stretch to be able to (moderately) easily create a version akin to a volcanic pistol, which can be reloaded quite quickly.



Its hard to kill a thought.
Zip guns (which is all this really is, but way more complicated then it needs to be) are easy to make. You just need a closed tube, a firing pin, and a spring, My Dad and his friends made them when they were teenagers.

Don't frak actually. Planes now have reinforced doors. This won't do anything to that.
This you don't worry about. A bomb in the luggage you worry about. A worker smuggling weapons or bombs to passengers you should worry about.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
Its hard to kill a thought.
Zip guns (which is all this really is, but way more complicated then it needs to be) are easy to make. You just need a closed tube, a firing pin, and a spring, My Dad and his friends made them when they were teenagers.

Don't frak actually. Planes now have reinforced doors. This won't do anything to that.
This you don't worry about. A bomb in the luggage you worry about. A worker smuggling weapons or bombs to passengers you should worry about.

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, and I'm ambivalent about this development, but I don't think there's any question that the technology is going to be refined and sooner rather than later used for nefarious purposes.

I just don't think there's much we can do about it.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'd like to see the video of this thing in action, as well as caliber and accuracy reports. Honestly? It sounds like an expensive way to fill yourself with shrapnel.

Seconded. Also:


Holeeeee gak. If this works, then the US government really, really needs to get ahead of this and outlaw it quick with penalties for the blueprint distribution as well. If the blueprint distritubors have no penalty, then it'll create an effectively unlimited supply of untraceable handguns.

Like meth, this is one of those destructive situations that will be not too difficult to stop if actions are taken before the wave starts, because once it starts, -like meth- it'll be impossible to stop.

And before anyone shouts "2nd amendment forever", please note that there cannot be anyone who honestly wants an unlimited supply of untraceable firearms flooding the streets. Seriously. By the very nature of it being untraceable, this will be the bad-guy-with-a-gun's choice of gun.

Frankenberry wrote:Not sure how you can ban this, given how the internet works. A great innovation if you ask me.

Help me understand why you think an innovation that will see a higher degree of piracy than any other medium ever, and is likely only going to be used against the public good in an uncontrolled manner is "great:". I'm seriously interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: I don't think it's too far of a stretch to be able to (moderately) easily create a version akin to a volcanic pistol, which can be reloaded quite quickly.



Its hard to kill a thought.
Zip guns (which is all this really is, but way more complicated then it needs to be) are easy to make. You just need a closed tube, a firing pin, and a spring, My Dad and his friends made them when they were teenagers.

Don't frak actually. Planes now have reinforced doors. This won't do anything to that.
This you don't worry about. A bomb in the luggage you worry about. A worker smuggling weapons or bombs to passengers you should worry about.


My dads 7 year old school mate murdered his older brother's bully (his older brother quit going to school for 3 weeks because was beaten up everyday, and was lying to folks about where he was going) in broad day light in a diner here in oklahoma in the 50's... Using a zip gun he made himself, as a 7 year old. That was the [i]1950's[i]

People are nuts if they think people are going to unlearn this stuff.

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 Valion wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Its hard to kill a thought.
Zip guns (which is all this really is, but way more complicated then it needs to be) are easy to make. You just need a closed tube, a firing pin, and a spring, My Dad and his friends made them when they were teenagers.

Don't frak actually. Planes now have reinforced doors. This won't do anything to that.
This you don't worry about. A bomb in the luggage you worry about. A worker smuggling weapons or bombs to passengers you should worry about.

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, and I'm ambivalent about this development, but I don't think there's any question that the technology is going to be refined and sooner rather than later used for nefarious purposes.

I just don't think there's much we can do about it.


Agreed. As I said, its difficult to kill an idea. Unless you have a committee of course. That kills ideas faster than a neutron bomb...

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Valion wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Its hard to kill a thought.
Zip guns (which is all this really is, but way more complicated then it needs to be) are easy to make. You just need a closed tube, a firing pin, and a spring, My Dad and his friends made them when they were teenagers.

Don't frak actually. Planes now have reinforced doors. This won't do anything to that.
This you don't worry about. A bomb in the luggage you worry about. A worker smuggling weapons or bombs to passengers you should worry about.

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, and I'm ambivalent about this development, but I don't think there's any question that the technology is going to be refined and sooner rather than later used for nefarious purposes.

I just don't think there's much we can do about it.



"I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, and I'm ambivalent about this development, but I don't think there's any question that the technology is going to be refined and sooner rather than later used for nefarious purposes."


Just like legally obtainable more reliable fire arms? Nobody ever did anything nefarious with that technology...

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...

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 Frazzled wrote:
Agreed. As I said, its difficult to kill an idea. Unless you have a committee of course. That kills ideas faster than a neutron bomb...

Its the equivalent of kryptonite for ideas.

I could see these type of guns in their current state as likely ending up decided by the Supreme Court to be a type of weapon that a well regulated militia does not use/need, in a similar manner to sawn-off shotguns (name of the case escapes me now)

 
   
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skyfi wrote:
Just like legally obtainable more reliable fire arms? Nobody ever did anything nefarious with that technology...

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
   
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I think he meant you can't regulate away evil people.

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Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).
   
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Grey Templar wrote:I think he meant you can't regulate away evil people.

No, you can't.

azazel the cat wrote:Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).

That might work, but I'm not sure it would ever go through due to the numerous valid industrial uses for 3D printing that will probably require similar plastics.
   
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As far as I'm concerned, the right of the people to keep and bear 3D printers, shall not be infringed.

If anybody disagrees, I shall see you in the supreme court!


On a serious note, won't this infringe people's 3rd amendment rights? I mean if you have your 3D printer hooked up to your computer, and some Chinese hacker hacks in and starts printing off 3D warriors (I'm thinking 10 years down the line with advance cyborg technology) and those warriors take over your home in peacetime...well...

Obama must act now!

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).

I for one am not suggesting that we un-learn something.
What are the impacts on this regulation on making other, non-firearm related parts? Such as making replacement parts for lawnmowers, cars etc. which would require a stronger material to bear the strains of its use.

 
   
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Well, gak.

I'm staying out of the US.

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 Squigsquasher wrote:
Well, gak.

I'm staying out of the US.

Excellent plan. Except for the tiny flaw that the internet isn't just available in the US

 
   
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Darn.

Still, at least these things will be illegal over here, given that, you know, we actually have proper gun control laws.

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 Squigsquasher wrote:
Darn.

Still, at least these things will be illegal over here, given that, you know, we actually have proper gun control laws.

Is internet piracy illegal over there?

This actually falls back to my earlier question: do you think British criminals are likely to arm up once they can get a cheap, untraceable firearm with zero risk for fifty pounds?

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).


You just need a thicker shell. If we're talking .22 short the pressure is not that much.

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skyfi wrote:

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...


I honestly have no idea what that is, it looks like a pot to me D:

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 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:
skyfi wrote:

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...


I honestly have no idea what that is, it looks like a pod to me D:


It's a pressure cooker...

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 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:
skyfi wrote:

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...


I honestly have no idea what that is, it looks like a pod to me D:


It's a pressure cooker, not unlike the ones used in the recent Boston Bombings.

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 kronk wrote:
 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:
skyfi wrote:

or one of these...

Spoiler:
to be clear, i'm trying to illustrate how criminalizing something that potentially could be use for nefarious purposes is counter intuitive... Its the equivalent of criminalizing cars because someone uses one to murder somebody... or outlawing ropes because of lynching...


I honestly have no idea what that is, it looks like a pod to me D:


It's a pressure cooker, not unlike the ones used in the recent Boston Bombings.


Oh, ok. I've literary never seen one of these before now
   
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Grey Templar wrote:I think he meant you can't regulate away evil people.


Pretty much this. If there's a will, there's a way. thus is life. Had we criminalized the ownership of pressure cookers, and the distribution of plans to fabricate pressure cookers, would the boston bombing still have happened? Or would it of just manifested itself in a different way? (ie. with fertilizer like mcveigh did, or any other # of possibilities..)... Again.. if there's a will there's a way... Can't just punish the whole lot of us on account of what-ifs, regarding every single possibility in existence. not enough time to write that many laws.

azazel the cat wrote:Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).


Not saying an individual would un-learn but as a community/society... trying to control information about how to build a firearm seems like an attempt to get the population to largely forget how to do these things... (aside from those already established fire arm producers who can afford lobbyists)... You can't expect the information to just disappear from the internet.. It's already there. The box is open. If you criminalize it, now instead of law abiding people printing guns, only would-be assassins who need a plastic gun printed (at their destination, no need to even have a tricky break down to fool an x ray)... or other criminals will be utilizing and improving the technology, and I doubt thats what anyone thinks will fuel innovation.

I don't think that is a viable solution as others have stated. You can't hinder the legitimate industry on account of this sort of thing.. its counter-intuitive IMO.




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 Valion wrote:
 Squigsquasher wrote:
Darn.

Still, at least these things will be illegal over here, given that, you know, we actually have proper gun control laws.

Is internet piracy illegal over there?

This actually falls back to my earlier question: do you think British criminals are likely to arm up once they can get a cheap, untraceable firearm with zero risk for fifty pounds?


If they don't they are probably a pretty poor criminal. they sure as will when the "loot" is more than the cost required to produce a one-use-gun for the job to be discarded afterwards. Even if you print 3 of them. They aint going to cost 50 pounds either. I seriously doubt that. I think that is a very liberal estimate once these become more mainstream.

if your location has:
1. internet connection
2. somebody with money and will (not even a functioning economy, just an individual who can finance an operation)

than you are going to have to start dealing with the reality of these things to some degree at some point, maybe minutely.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Solutions? Of the top of my head? Regulate the plastics used in 3D printer reservoirs so that the stress of the chamber cannot withstand a bullet being fired. Imagine if every commercially-available 3D printing cartridge was only capable of printing in something akin to Finecast.

I think that would solve the problem quite effectively, as nobody would be crazy enough to willing fire a gun made of Finecast.


Nobody is suggesting we "un-learn" something, that much is obvious. I don't know why so many are pretending as if that's what I was saying (I assume it's strawman arguing out of pure habit at this point for some). However, the materials used to create the problem can potentially be regulated in the same way that meth could have never even gained its traction due to regulating its source materials (a pharmaceutical lobbyist hindered this with a loophole and singlehandedly lost the war on meth, btw).


You just need a thicker shell. If we're talking .22 short the pressure is not that much.


.38 caliber is what their pistol is packing IIRC

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