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azazel the cat wrote: Holeeeee gak. If this works, then the US government really, really needs to get ahead of this and outlaw it quick with penalties for the blueprint distribution as well. If the blueprint distritubors have no penalty, then it'll create an effectively unlimited supply of untraceable handguns.
Sorry I missed this earlier, but can I ask why the US in particular has to get ahead of this? Its not as though the technology and knowledge are only accessible in the United States, lots of other countries might want to pay attention to this also.
Grey Templar wrote:I think he meant you can't regulate away evil people.
Pretty much this. If there's a will, there's a way. thus is life.
Then why do we have any laws?
Revenge. (or justice, if you'd rather)
Laws don't really prevent people from shooting, stabbing, running over, cheating, abusing each other in any way. The only thing they really allow for is recourse.
I think they must have some impact as it at least inconveniences the criminals or makes them consider if the criminal behaviour is really worth the trouble.
They do. Something being illegal DOES discourage people from doing something that they'd otherwise do.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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The point I was trying to get at is that if you regulate the quality of 3D-printing materials (the plastics and resin) to be of "weaker" quality for the home-use market (think of osmething on par with Finecast), and only allow larger industrial production to use "heavier"-grade 3D-printing materials (btw, I'm using quote because I'm not certain if I'm using the correct terminology; perhaps someone with experience making their own molded minis can correct me semantically if need be) then the problem of seeing bullet-firing printed guns will be far, far less than what it otherwise would be.
Uh...No?
Let me explain: I can't make anything that withstands firing pressure pressure with my 3D printer. Hm, darn. BRB, 3D printing out a negative of a barrel and bolt, followed by me, a propane burner, and a months worth of aluminum i was saving for recycle are going to go sand casting in the garage.
This is to say nothing of someone modding the machine itself to work with better plastics (Assuming they can't work with them by default...a bad assumption in a lot of cases, and in the rest..Frankly, if you can figure out a 3d printer, you're probably mentally capable of learning how to mod the stupid thing.) ....now how would you get these plastics? Well, chances are, if someone is making something out of material X, you can probably buy an unregulated item made from X, and melt the SOB down.
See: AR-15 lower made from HDPE cutting boards.
I'm sorry, but no amount of legal finger wiggling is going to make this go away at this point, short of shutting down the internet, and even then I'm pretty sure the information will get out there.
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I agree with heading this sort of thing off before it gets too much of a foot hold. While Gun's should be available to anyone of a certain age limit, and I don't think the government should regulate guns as much as they want too....
THIS means that any mentally handicapped person could just print one off and start waving it around. A sixteen year old getting bullied may/may not think of putting a gun together with tubes or anything of the sort, but suddenly they find a gun blueprint on 4Chan/Reddit, print one off and put it together....
This is just a giant can of worms that should just stay closed.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
No, but we can still make it illegal to produce them. This would not stop people from being able to produce them any more than making murder illegal stops someone from murdering-- but it would be enough to punish people who did it through revoking their licenses, fines, and jailtime. and thus discourage more people from doing it.
And in fact it already is illegal to produce a gun which is undetectable by a metal detector-- licensed gun manufacturers cannot legally make them, either.
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Good, so we shouldn't need any new regulation as they're already illegal.
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It might stop people from trying it, sure. Theoretically. It worked very well with prohibition, MJ, and meth.
If after further development of 3DP tech this does not explode in popularity it will be purely because there is no demand for it, as the legal market for guns is still permissive enough that it makes it largely a novelty.
The people who would, in the immediate, go out and invest in this just so they could make something underhanded is a pretty laughable concept given that for the same approximate investment in money and know how, one could get a small CNC set up and start building them out of actual metal, and be making things more like STENs than 1800s-esque single shot handguns.
THIS means that any mentally handicapped person could just print one off and start waving it around. A sixteen year old getting bullied may/may not think of putting a gun together with tubes or anything of the sort, but suddenly they find a gun blueprint on 4Chan/Reddit, print one off and put it together....
I would think a mentally handicapped person may not have the mental capacity for it at all...they are, after all, handicaped.
Similarly...why do you assume that gun blueprints made of sheet steel, tubes, and seamless tubing aren't floating around NOW already? Particularly on 4chan. A 16 year old can also probably get into a school metal shop and work on small parts out of sight a lot easier than he can get mommy and daddy to let him buy a 1300 dollar+ 3d printer, to boot.
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SOFDC wrote: It might stop people from trying it, sure. Theoretically. It worked very well with prohibition, MJ, and meth.
Dunno why you throw Prohibition in there. Prohibition is more like the recent attempts to ban guns; it's something that's been part of the country since the start that the government has decided they don't like us having.
If after further development of 3DP tech this does not explode in popularity it will be purely because there is no demand for it, as the legal market for guns is still permissive enough that it makes it largely a novelty.
The people who would, in the immediate, go out and invest in this just so they could make something underhanded is a pretty laughable concept given that for the same approximate investment in money and know how, one could get a small CNC set up and start building them out of actual metal, and be making things more like STENs than 1800s-esque single shot handguns.
Difference being, I could get unto a plane using something like this (Assuming you could make a plastic bullet.... actually, I don't know if Bullets are banned. Would be kinda silly to ban something so harmless, but eh, what do I know?) where as a Metal Gun would be spotted at the gate....
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
It's yet another thing someone decided to make illegal, that the people wanted, paper be danged.
Difference being, I could get unto a plane using something like this
And? You could get onto a plane with a dagger made of carbon fiber too, and probably be a lot more effective than a single low pressure pistol round. This does not warrant jumping over any and all industries and people that work with carbon fiber, nowhere near.
Assuming you could make a plastic bullet....
For the sake of the argument, i'll throw this out there: Ceramic projectiles. That they are ridiculously finnicky, expensive, and hard to make is beside the point. They can be made. This, however, also does not justify jumping on everyones heads over ceramic.
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The alcohol prohibition did actually reduce the amount of alcohol consumed (roughly in half) but from what I understand there were a whole lot of new problems introduced because of it.
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It's yet another thing someone decided to make illegal, that the people wanted, paper be danged.
Difference being, I could get unto a plane using something like this
And? You could get onto a plane with a dagger made of carbon fiber too, and probably be a lot more effective than a single low pressure pistol round. This does not warrant jumping over any and all industries and people that work with carbon fiber, nowhere near.
Assuming you could make a plastic bullet....
For the sake of the argument, i'll throw this out there: Ceramic projectiles. That they are ridiculously finnicky, expensive, and hard to make is beside the point. They can be made. This, however, also does not justify jumping on everyones heads over ceramic.
The problem with those arguments is that A) Carbon Fiber Daggers are an INDUSTRY, and B) Ceramic Projectiles are "Finnicky, expensive, and hard to make".
THESE, anyone can pump the digits into the machine and have a gun. ANYONE. From Policeman Bob, Law Abiding Susie, psychiatric patient Steve, or Tommy Too-little-supervision.
A Plastic Bullet must be seen as, while not practical in the mass production, at least possible. If you can't see the reasons why a untraceable, unpreventable, and easily obtained ranged weapon wouldn't be a danger to society at large, I feel sorry for every victim of the next couple of John Wilkes Booth that comes to being.
It's not about how low pressure they are, or that you can only have one bullet; once this becomes cheap to make, Billy The-Too-Bullied will be able to just print off twenty of them and walk into any school to remake this scene from the matrix: (0:16-0:26)
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That is probably because the thing they were trying to curb had been legal before. So its not a great comparison between Alcohol and Gun Violence. Gun Violence is and always has been illegal.
The people committing gun violence are not going to care if guns are illegal if they have already committed an illegal act. Alcohol was different in that regard, it was legal to drink before Prohibition.
It would be better to measure how much Alcohol related crime there was before and during Prohibition to properly compare it to this situation.
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If you can't see the reasons why a untraceable, unpreventable, and easily obtained ranged weapon wouldn't be a danger to society at large, I feel sorry for every victim of the next couple of John Wilkes Booth that comes to being.
Except that is missing the point entirely. This entire situation is about like showing a group of workers an electric screwdriver for the first time, who have never bothered to notice that they all have manual screwdrivers in their toolboxes already.
If you are sincerely worried about tommy-got-bullied going and getting his hands on a rather pricey and visible piece of machinery, figuring out how to run it properly, and making an untraceable weapon, you are probably in for a very hard life, because if he paid attention in shop or chemistry, it's quite likely hes equally capable of a nice untraceable machine gun or explosives an order of magnitude more effective and exactly as high on the visibility scale.
THESE, anyone can pump the digits into the machine and have a gun. ANYONE. From Policeman Bob, Law Abiding Susie, psychiatric patient Steve, or Tommy Too-little-supervision.
And this is different from the CNC setups that are on the more user friendly side of the spectrum, that have been around for years...HOW...exactly? Do you really think it's hard to plug in a pre-made program, clamp a block according to the instructions and push the button? Math's already been done. Paths already been done.
Heck, "Ye Olde" manual machines aren't hard. A weekend of instruction gets you to the point that this 3D printer is at now, easily (In terms of making weapons.). Can you do basic math and follow a set of instructions? Well there you go.
Point is, there's no pandora`s box in danger of being shoved open, spilling a tidal wave of blood and dead babies forth. It was opened years ago, and it was opened big time. Might just be time for society to start worrying more about making sure that its members aren't stepped on daily than what they might do after long terms of abuse. God forbid that happen though.
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WTH!?!?!...not interested since I can't fit a 30 round mag into it........
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It would probably be easier to make a smooth bore breech loading gun with a printer.
Yeah, lets set weapons manufacturing back 140 years.
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I like to see that...smooth bore...52 cal......50 ft for the trigger rope and dirt berm between me and the rifle,,,,,corona's on ice because...well you know...its a hot day and we're playing with a loaded weapon...
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If you can't see the reasons why a untraceable, unpreventable, and easily obtained ranged weapon wouldn't be a danger to society at large, I feel sorry for every victim of the next couple of John Wilkes Booth that comes to being.
Except that is missing the point entirely. This entire situation is about like showing a group of workers an electric screwdriver for the first time, who have never bothered to notice that they all have manual screwdrivers in their toolboxes already.
If you are sincerely worried about tommy-got-bullied going and getting his hands on a rather pricey and visible piece of machinery, figuring out how to run it properly, and making an untraceable weapon, you are probably in for a very hard life, because if he paid attention in shop or chemistry, it's quite likely hes equally capable of a nice untraceable machine gun or explosives an order of magnitude more effective and exactly as high on the visibility scale.
THESE, anyone can pump the digits into the machine and have a gun. ANYONE. From Policeman Bob, Law Abiding Susie, psychiatric patient Steve, or Tommy Too-little-supervision.
And this is different from the CNC setups that are on the more user friendly side of the spectrum, that have been around for years...HOW...exactly? Do you really think it's hard to plug in a pre-made program, clamp a block according to the instructions and push the button? Math's already been done. Paths already been done.
Heck, "Ye Olde" manual machines aren't hard. A weekend of instruction gets you to the point that this 3D printer is at now, easily (In terms of making weapons.). Can you do basic math and follow a set of instructions? Well there you go.
Point is, there's no pandora`s box in danger of being shoved open, spilling a tidal wave of blood and dead babies forth. It was opened years ago, and it was opened big time. Might just be time for society to start worrying more about making sure that its members aren't stepped on daily than what they might do after long terms of abuse. God forbid that happen though.
So you seriously cannot see how these instructions and a future where 3D printers are a house hold commodity would be problematic?
Yes, someone could make a weapon by other means, but still not as easily as with one of these blueprints. Also, bullied kids tend to not pay attention to what's going on in class, and typically become escapists, mostly into the internet.
Also, aren't most gun instruction books/sites already Illegal? Shouldn't these be the same?
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Probably still require a couple metal components to actually ignite. Steel for the flint to strike and a spring.
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Flint and steels...ugh.....detcord....you kow its 2013...we upgrade the firing mechanism...and clear a few tree's to while we're at it.
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If you can't see the reasons why a untraceable, unpreventable, and easily obtained ranged weapon wouldn't be a danger to society at large, I feel sorry for every victim of the next couple of John Wilkes Booth that comes to being.
Except that is missing the point entirely. This entire situation is about like showing a group of workers an electric screwdriver for the first time, who have never bothered to notice that they all have manual screwdrivers in their toolboxes already.
If you are sincerely worried about tommy-got-bullied going and getting his hands on a rather pricey and visible piece of machinery, figuring out how to run it properly, and making an untraceable weapon, you are probably in for a very hard life, because if he paid attention in shop or chemistry, it's quite likely hes equally capable of a nice untraceable machine gun or explosives an order of magnitude more effective and exactly as high on the visibility scale.
THESE, anyone can pump the digits into the machine and have a gun. ANYONE. From Policeman Bob, Law Abiding Susie, psychiatric patient Steve, or Tommy Too-little-supervision.
And this is different from the CNC setups that are on the more user friendly side of the spectrum, that have been around for years...HOW...exactly? Do you really think it's hard to plug in a pre-made program, clamp a block according to the instructions and push the button? Math's already been done. Paths already been done.
Heck, "Ye Olde" manual machines aren't hard. A weekend of instruction gets you to the point that this 3D printer is at now, easily (In terms of making weapons.). Can you do basic math and follow a set of instructions? Well there you go.
Point is, there's no pandora`s box in danger of being shoved open, spilling a tidal wave of blood and dead babies forth. It was opened years ago, and it was opened big time. Might just be time for society to start worrying more about making sure that its members aren't stepped on daily than what they might do after long terms of abuse. God forbid that happen though.
So you seriously cannot see how these instructions and a future where 3D printers are a house hold commodity would be problematic?
Yes, someone could make a weapon by other means, but still not as easily as with one of these blueprints. Also, bullied kids tend to not pay attention to what's going on in class, and typically become escapists, mostly into the internet.
Also, aren't most gun instruction books/sites already Illegal? Shouldn't these be the same?
A bullied kid is going to pay money to get a 3-D printer so he can kill the offending jerk? Even assuming the price on these things drops a kid going through the bother of buying one and setting it up is going to be unlikely.
If the kid hasn't paid attention in class how is he going to even know how to assemble one of these things, much less input the blueprints.
And do all this without attracting suspicion? He'd have to have some pretty bad parents for them not to catch on.
Unless the kids family already has a 3-D printer I don't see a kid getting one. Even after they drop in price we are still going to be talking about a machine that costs a couple hundred bucks.
I'd say the odds of the guy just taking a kitchen knife to school are infinitely more likely.
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I've a silly simple idea....program the 3D printer not accept prints or shapes of the nature of a working "hand weapon". Prints already online....no need to go through the research on creating one. Someone did it for free and posted it....
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So you seriously cannot see how these instructions and a future where 3D printers are a house hold commodity would be problematic?
Not seeing and not caring are two distinct things. Given what people can do NOW, what 3d printers MAY or MAY NOT allow them to do in a future where every household MAY or MAY NOT have access to a 3d printer does not overly concern me.
Yes, someone could make a weapon by other means, but still not as easily as with one of these blueprints.
Having used "Other means" I can say no, not really any harder. I'll grant you there's less cleanup of chips and oil with one versus the other, and that working metal is far less forgiving of not following the instructions (Yet to hear of a 3d printer taking someone's hand off, or exploding because you mixed ingredients in the wrong order with a chemistry set)
Also, bullied kids tend to not pay attention to what's going on in class, and typically become escapists, mostly into the internet.
This is based on what, exactly?
Also, aren't most gun instruction books/sites already Illegal? Shouldn't these be the same?
What? No. Maybe in some other country I have absolutely zero interest in living in, but it's what you DO with the information that is criminal. I can buy books on silencers, explosive chemistry and machine guns all day long, I only cross the line when I go out and build one (And even then, there are legal avenues to pretty much all of the previous.) I can even own the machinery to make the things AND the books at the same time! Now to your second question: No.
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If you can't see the reasons why a untraceable, unpreventable, and easily obtained ranged weapon wouldn't be a danger to society at large, I feel sorry for every victim of the next couple of John Wilkes Booth that comes to being.
Except that is missing the point entirely. This entire situation is about like showing a group of workers an electric screwdriver for the first time, who have never bothered to notice that they all have manual screwdrivers in their toolboxes already.
If you are sincerely worried about tommy-got-bullied going and getting his hands on a rather pricey and visible piece of machinery, figuring out how to run it properly, and making an untraceable weapon, you are probably in for a very hard life, because if he paid attention in shop or chemistry, it's quite likely hes equally capable of a nice untraceable machine gun or explosives an order of magnitude more effective and exactly as high on the visibility scale.
THESE, anyone can pump the digits into the machine and have a gun. ANYONE. From Policeman Bob, Law Abiding Susie, psychiatric patient Steve, or Tommy Too-little-supervision.
And this is different from the CNC setups that are on the more user friendly side of the spectrum, that have been around for years...HOW...exactly? Do you really think it's hard to plug in a pre-made program, clamp a block according to the instructions and push the button? Math's already been done. Paths already been done.
Heck, "Ye Olde" manual machines aren't hard. A weekend of instruction gets you to the point that this 3D printer is at now, easily (In terms of making weapons.). Can you do basic math and follow a set of instructions? Well there you go.
Point is, there's no pandora`s box in danger of being shoved open, spilling a tidal wave of blood and dead babies forth. It was opened years ago, and it was opened big time. Might just be time for society to start worrying more about making sure that its members aren't stepped on daily than what they might do after long terms of abuse. God forbid that happen though.
So you seriously cannot see how these instructions and a future where 3D printers are a house hold commodity would be problematic?
Yes, someone could make a weapon by other means, but still not as easily as with one of these blueprints. Also, bullied kids tend to not pay attention to what's going on in class, and typically become escapists, mostly into the internet.
Also, aren't most gun instruction books/sites already Illegal? Shouldn't these be the same?
A bullied kid is going to pay money to get a 3-D printer so he can kill the offending jerk? Even assuming the price on these things drops a kid going through the bother of buying one and setting it up is going to be unlikely.
If the kid hasn't paid attention in class how is he going to even know how to assemble one of these things, much less input the blueprints.
And do all this without attracting suspicion? He'd have to have some pretty bad parents for them not to catch on.
Unless the kids family already has a 3-D printer I don't see a kid getting one. Even after they drop in price we are still going to be talking about a machine that costs a couple hundred bucks.
I'd say the odds of the guy just taking a kitchen knife to school are infinitely more likely.
Why does a kid need to go out and buy one if these things become as mainstream and popular as everyone is hoping? Kids previous to 1990 weren't even really taught how to type until they got a job that required it, NOW look how many schools have a typing class standard.
Have you legitly SEEN some of these parents?
Yes, he could take a knife. But a knife is a lot less threatening than a gun, no?
So you seriously cannot see how these instructions and a future where 3D printers are a house hold commodity would be problematic?
Not seeing and not caring are two distinct things. Given what people can do NOW, what 3d printers MAY or MAY NOT allow them to do in a future where every household MAY or MAY NOT have access to a 3d printer does not overly concern me.
That's great that it doesn't concern you, I'm sure you'll change your mind when YOUR kids are the ones being shot at school
Even if you put up metal detectors (Which is something a lot of schools will do soon due to all the shootings going on. Guns won't be banned, they will have to do something), there is no detecting these. That is what makes them problematic.
Yes, someone could make a weapon by other means, but still not as easily as with one of these blueprints.
Having used "Other means" I can say no, not really any harder. I'll grant you there's less cleanup of chips and oil with one versus the other, and that working metal is far less forgiving of not following the instructions (Yet to hear of a 3d printer taking someone's hand off, or exploding because you mixed ingredients in the wrong order with a chemistry set)
So it's not a problem that it's easier/safer, but it's totally easier/safer? Contradictory much?
Also, bullied kids tend to not pay attention to what's going on in class, and typically become escapists, mostly into the internet.
This is based on what, exactly?
Um.... Any research study on the subject ever? Kids get Bullied, their grads just magically seem to drop. I wonder why....
Also, aren't most gun instruction books/sites already Illegal? Shouldn't these be the same?
What? No. Maybe in some other country I have absolutely zero interest in living in, but it's what you DO with the information that is criminal. I can buy books on silencers, explosive chemistry and machine guns all day long, I only cross the line when I go out and build one (And even then, there are legal avenues to pretty much all of the previous.) I can even own the machinery to make the things AND the books at the same time! Now to your second question: No.
The main difference is, How easy is it to come by EVERY piece needed to make those, in comparison to the plastic resin that is required to make EVERY piece of a Printed Gun? Again, we are talking about something in every house, instructions accessable by every phone (Even a burner phone that can't be traced), and something that will one day be incredibly cheap to make.
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I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
Yes, he could take a knife. But a knife is a lot less threatening than a gun, no?
If one guy pulls out a 11" bowie knife and the other pulls out a Beretta .25 pocket pistol, I am probably going to take my chances with the .25. Devil`s in the details.
Have you legitly SEEN some of these parents?
If the parents are genuinely this bad, why was CPS not called? I can say from personal and uncomfortable experience that they DO follow up, in a hurry and an electron microscope.
Or was no one actually willing to bother going out of their way to fix a problem, and kept walking, like a lot of people do with just about everything anymore?
How easy is it to come by EVERY piece needed to make those,
One trip to an industrial supply store, a steel yard, or in some cases a Lowes.
That's great that it doesn't concern you, I'm sure you'll change your mind when YOUR kids are the ones being shot at school
Just as likely to happen today as it would in this future being predicted. Your point? I'm sure that the kid intent on shooting mine on a particular day will give two flips about a metal detector at the door, rather than waiting in the parking lot or...shooting the guy at the door.
Contradictory much?
Where did I claim that metal working was forgiving for fools? I said that other methods are as invisible and efficient at producing weapons. This is true. I never claimed that the other methods wouldn't @#%*@ you up if you did not respect them.
Kids get Bullied, their grads just magically seem to drop.
A clear and definitive way to determine a persons intelligence and capacity for logical thinking, given that the apparent cause is a sudden lack of desire rather than ability.
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Yes, he could take a knife. But a knife is a lot less threatening than a gun, no?
If one guy pulls out a 11" bowie knife and the other pulls out a Beretta .25 pocket pistol, I am probably going to take my chances with the .25. Devil`s in the details.
Indiana Jones taught me it's not the size of the knife in the fight, but the shortness of breath of the guy with the gun
Have you legitly SEEN some of these parents?
If the parents are genuinely this bad, why was CPS not called? I can say from personal and uncomfortable experience that they DO follow up, in a hurry and an electron microscope.
Or was no one actually willing to bother going out of their way to fix a problem, and kept walking, like a lot of people do with just about everything anymore?
A little of both. If the kids' parents are never home (Not that uncommon) or just don't listen (Slightly less common), even if they don't physically or mentally abuse their kid, they may just show disinterest. Any way, that's one kid with a problem, no real options (As few kids will go to the authorities (loose term) when bullied), and a way to make the problem go away forever.
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When getting the gun involves hundreds of dollars of equipment and material and at minimum a couple months of time vs the simplicity of just snagging a steak knife out of the silverware drawer on the way to school the kid will take the knife each and every time.
The gun is only more effective if you take the construction phase out of the equation. The knife is the path of least resistance in this case.
You also have the issue of the kid getting his hands on some ammo. he can't print that and practically nobody is going to sell ammo to him.
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