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Hi

I just bought a destroyer, mainly because I like the model, but I am wondering, are they considered competitive at all? Or should I convert It to a destroyer lord? I'm not really planning to begin an army, so what do your guys think is the most aesthetically pleasing too?

While we're at it, I'm thinking of running Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, and a Destroyer Lord (all 'looted') of course as allies for my Orks. They'll zoom around the map blasting marines and vehicles, and slicing things up with a Warscythe.

Would be interested to hear opinions on that.

Sadly I can't help OP, I know the Destroyers look fantastic on paper but paper performance often does not correlate with actual performance

Heavy Destroyers could be an effective, albeit expensive form of armour-hunting due to their Preferred Enemy. Even regular Destroyers can shine due to this rule.

I quite like just regular destroyers, quite expensive, but their speed + Preferred enemy + their AP3 weapons make them quite effective at AI, and AT obviously with gauss or even penning with low AV vehicles, it'd have been better if they were jet pack or EJB that can do JSJ... Someone email that idea to Mat Ward! ASAP!!

Depends on your overall list, I run footcrons(or mostly, I use CCB), so I appreciate their mobility in an otherwise slow marching army, give me the chance to hurt some stuffs while the rest of the force moves in.

Definitely convert one to a lord, can't hurt to have the option when you need it!

Never even noticed "Preferred Enermy"

Simply wow.

Baronyu wrote:
it'd have been better if they were jet pack or EJB that can do JSJ... Someone email that idea to Mat Ward! ASAP!!

Are you out of your ing mind?

First off preferred enemy does not work vs vehicles, just living models...you can't wound tank, but i think you might be able to re-roll your hits.

Here is a list that i normally run:

HQ- Destroyer Lord w/ res orb, mind shackles, S weave, (warlord)

HQ- Destroyer Lord w/ res orb, mind shackles, S weave

Troops- 20 necron warriors

Troops- 20 necron warriors

Troops-10 Immortals w/G blasters

Fast- 5 Destroyers

Fast- 5 Destroyers

I run the D Lords w/the destroyers first turn on the flanks then get the charge 2nd turn. Its in your face and lets the rest of my force advance. If i'm defensive then ill have the lords hang back giving my warrior blobs preferred enemy, because only one member of a squad needs it.


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aesthetically pleasing? I prefer the D. Lord my self, but thats also because I love warscythes.

 Khorvahn wrote:
First off preferred enemy does not work vs vehicles, just living models...you can't wound tank, but i think you might be able to re-roll your hits.

Yes, you can indeed. It practically makes them (Heavy Destroyers) BS 5 (not quite, as PE BS 4 is 7/9 instead of 5/6, but close). Pretty deadly.

Personally, I've found both 3 HD 2 D and 3 D 2 HD make ups to be quite effective.

they are very good, but can be punish players who dont know how to use them perfectly.

they have 3 roles. Marine killers, Tank hunters, MC slayin.

keep them away from VOF as it will make you weep tears of blood.
give them a D-lord if you want them to have a chance, it could be worth taking a Tachyon arrow as they can reroll 50% of their misses.

Good luck if you decide to play with them, i think all destroyer models are aesthetically pleasing.

Personally i own 9

Destroyers and HD look amazing IMO destroyer lords look crap though. I converted mine (stole the idea of the net) using the destroyer bottom and the torso up of one of the warmachine cryx models.

Also use some cryx models for royal courts as I think the cryptek s are pretty bland also...

It's good to hear people using them competitively, would hate to think 12 wraiths, 3 AB 's and croissants are the only list we have...

I have put a reg OL in front of the destroyers so you have to kill him 1st w/ 2+ and 3++. It slows them down but they have good range and doesn't seem to matter.

 Mythra wrote:
I have put a reg OL in front of the destroyers so you have to kill him 1st w/ 2+ and 3++. It slows them down but they have good range and doesn't seem to matter.

destroyers suffer from the same issue the rest of our army does, 24"

having a walking lord with them makes me a sad panda :(

People only take regular destroyers because the unit can't be solely made from heavy destroyers, which seem to be far more useful and the primary reason to get the unit, because a highly accurate lascannon on a jump platform with good saves, multiple wounds, toughness five, and preferred enemy (EVERYTHING!) Is pretty mean.

disregard

Makes your OL 6 Toughness vs shooting if he is leading them too.

Why do people keep saying toughness 6 for them all, my codex only says toughness 5?

 bobtheoverlord wrote:
Why do people keep saying toughness 6 for them all, my codex only says toughness 5?

your codex is broken then.
destroyer lord is t6

although he is mistaken about shooting. majority toughness is used in that case which is 5

Hahaha there we go, I hadn't realized we were talking about d lords now, normal destroyers are toughness 5 though. All good

I love the way the models look, I have two full units of them. (gift I didn't buy them) and they sit around and watch my other crons go to war. I have mine set up to change out from normal to heavy and converted two of them to D lords.

I'm not a fan of D lords with them, as I think he goes better with wraiths. Not using your D lord in CC is a crime.

Walking Destoryers kind of makes me sad too.

I don't personally have them in any of my builds these days, but still love the model.

 Kain wrote:
People only take regular destroyers because the unit can't be solely made from heavy destroyers, which seem to be far more useful and the primary reason to get the unit, because a highly accurate lascannon on a jump platform with good saves, multiple wounds, toughness five, and preferred enemy (EVERYTHING!) Is pretty mean.

Wait, can't you just take three Destroyers (instead of maxing out at 5) per squad, upgrade them to Heavy destroyers and therefore have units made up of solely heavy destroyers?

"Old school" 5th edition lists under the old codex used a lot of the destroyers (regular kind) extensively with good results. I see very little rule interference that would make it worse during the new codex 6th edition.

Destroyers seem over costed to me compared to some of the better units like wraiths and scythes. The models also seem love or hate... I fall in the hate camp hehe. If i was to run them I'd definitely try to convert them.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Kain wrote:
People only take regular destroyers because the unit can't be solely made from heavy destroyers, which seem to be far more useful and the primary reason to get the unit, because a highly accurate lascannon on a jump platform with good saves, multiple wounds, toughness five, and preferred enemy (EVERYTHING!) Is pretty mean.

Wait, can't you just take three Destroyers (instead of maxing out at 5) per squad, upgrade them to Heavy destroyers and therefore have units made up of solely heavy destroyers?

Yes. I have ran lists with just a units of just 3HDs. at 36" range with a good AP, it can make a good difference. I have found them to be extremely effective in AT and AI. Preferred Enemy is amazingly useful with HD since it is almost a guaranteed Wound/insta-kill. Another thing to look at with the HDs is that they are a consistent model and only of the few Necrons have with a range longer than 36".



Having ran both destroyers, heavy destroyers, and tomb blades, I personally would rather not use my tomb blades. They tend to be more of a distraction unit than a consistently effective one like the destroyers. That's based on my own luck though.

Unholyllama wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Kain wrote:
People only take regular destroyers because the unit can't be solely made from heavy destroyers, which seem to be far more useful and the primary reason to get the unit, because a highly accurate lascannon on a jump platform with good saves, multiple wounds, toughness five, and preferred enemy (EVERYTHING!) Is pretty mean.

Wait, can't you just take three Destroyers (instead of maxing out at 5) per squad, upgrade them to Heavy destroyers and therefore have units made up of solely heavy destroyers?

Yes. I have ran lists with just a units of just 3HDs. at 36" range with a good AP, it can make a good difference. I have found them to be extremely effective in AT and AI. Preferred Enemy is amazingly useful with HD since it is almost a guaranteed Wound/insta-kill. Another thing to look at with the HDs is that they are a consistent model and only of the few Necrons have with a range longer than 36".



Having ran both destroyers, heavy destroyers, and tomb blades, I personally would rather not use my tomb blades. They tend to be more of a distraction unit than a consistently effective one like the destroyers. That's based on my own luck though.

I always thought that if tomb blades could be equipped with an oldcron Gauss Cannon equivalent (S6 AP4 Assault 3 36" if memory serves), they'd have been straight up awesome.

I have ran an destroyer wing quite a few times and it's kinda hit or miss for me. Check out my signature below I have some battle reports starring my Destroyer Cult of the Red Harvest

Dakkamite wrote:While we're at it, I'm thinking of running Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, and a Destroyer Lord (all 'looted') of course as allies for my Orks. They'll zoom around the map blasting marines and vehicles, and slicing things up with a Warscythe.

Would be interested to hear opinions on that.

Sadly I can't help OP, I know the Destroyers look fantastic on paper but paper performance often does not correlate with actual performance

Destroyers are great. 5 normal Destroyers will murder MEQs and MCs, thanks to Preferred enemy (everything) they basically have BS5. Heavy Destroyers are... adequate. They do nothing except ID T4 models, and since normal destroyers have the Gauss rule on their weapons, they wreck vehicles faster. Don't take heavies.

bobtheoverlord wrote:Hi

I just bought a destroyer, mainly because I like the model, but I am wondering, are they considered competitive at all? Or should I convert It to a destroyer lord? I'm not really planning to begin an army, so what do your guys think is the most aesthetically pleasing too?

Dear god do not run a D.Lord with Destroyers. You run a D. Lord with Wraiths or Triarch Praetorians. Preferably wraiths. I would consider Destroyers fairly competitive; wraiths edge them out by being the best option in the FA slot, but Destroyers are not bad, especially since they can get back up.

 McNinja wrote:

Dakkamite wrote:While we're at it, I'm thinking of running Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, and a Destroyer Lord (all 'looted') of course as allies for my Orks. They'll zoom around the map blasting marines and vehicles, and slicing things up with a Warscythe.

Would be interested to hear opinions on that.

Sadly I can't help OP, I know the Destroyers look fantastic on paper but paper performance often does not correlate with actual performance

Destroyers are great. 5 normal Destroyers will murder MEQs and MCs, thanks to Preferred enemy (everything) they basically have BS5. Heavy Destroyers are... adequate. They do nothing except ID T4 models, and since normal destroyers have the Gauss rule on their weapons, they wreck vehicles faster. Don't take heavies.

bobtheoverlord wrote:Hi

I just bought a destroyer, mainly because I like the model, but I am wondering, are they considered competitive at all? Or should I convert It to a destroyer lord? I'm not really planning to begin an army, so what do your guys think is the most aesthetically pleasing too?

Dear god do not run a D.Lord with Destroyers. You run a D. Lord with Wraiths or Triarch Praetorians. Preferably wraiths. I would consider Destroyers fairly competitive; wraiths edge them out by being the best option in the FA slot, but Destroyers are not bad, especially since they can get back up.

For simply the additional 12" reach that Heavy Destroyers have, I'd certainly take them. Then again, the dice gods do love me and my heavy destroyers. Have I ever mentioned how I blew up a baneblade on turn one of an Apoc battle with just one squad of Heavy Destroyers?

Wow. That's crazy

I, on the other hand, would have taken all game to land a single hit with three full squads of Heavy Destroyers.

 Yonan wrote:
Destroyers seem over costed to me compared to some of the better units like wraiths and scythes. The models also seem love or hate... I fall in the hate camp hehe. If i was to run them I'd definitely try to convert them.

In fact, Destroyers compete with units in the FA slots that are eventually better like Wraiths and Tomb Blades. The latter are jetbikes and can have S6 blasts. Ouch!

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Destroyers seem over costed to me compared to some of the better units like wraiths and scythes. The models also seem love or hate... I fall in the hate camp hehe. If i was to run them I'd definitely try to convert them.

In fact, Destroyers compete with units in the FA slots that are eventually better like Wraiths and Tomb Blades. The latter are jetbikes and can have S6 blasts. Ouch!

Isn't the particle shredder S7?