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TFG:

They feel like a physical pressure from the moment they open their mouths:

(Note: real quotes of what I have heard over time)

I am great,
really I am,
I tabled a guy in two turns,
my list is the best,
yours looks a little weak,
ask me next time you go to make a list, I will set you right, What? you did not know that?!?!
how long have you been gaming?
(take answer and multiply by two for how long he has played),
I cant be bothered to paint the miniatures because it is all about the game.
I go first, no you do not get to "seize the initiative", where did you hear that?
Why do I roll a single dice a "special" way? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF CHEATING BECAUSE I GOT NINE SIXES IN A ROW?!?!
What do you mean I am moving my troops 7" every turn??
<starts winning>
You might as well give up now,
my tactics have never been beaten,
I told you your army is no good in this edition,
You should practice a little more with the kids,
<starts losing>
Your army list is so cheesy,
No-one's luck is that good, what are you doing?
You suck at this, you just have not realized it yet.
<wins>
As expected, I won. I do not play losers so you should go get some wins in before you beg me to play you again.
<loses>
<throws miniature at hand at wall (mine, gets kicked out, his, I laugh)>
I do not play with cheaters who do not respect the game (??),
If you did not tailor your list I would have won (had no idea I was playing him and neither did he).

I find in the end, I have a headache after playing these people you always have to be "on" at all times or they will exploit every opportunity they can. They are nature's way to make you appreciate "normal" people by contrast.

It really is just someone who is very unpleasant to play with, either by being a sore loser, or overly pedantic about rules, especially those to his advantage.

Like any kinda derogatory words, it tends to lose meaning as a lot of people tend to use it erroneously, kinda like "troll" "hipster" "hippy" that d-word, etc!

Baronyu wrote:
It really is just someone who is very unpleasant to play with, either by being a sore loser, or overly pedantic about rules, especially those to his advantage.

Well, I can confess to being a sore loser if it seems my army isn't managing to get anything done. ;-)

But TFG - that would be when someone deliberately keeps pulling things his way. Forget a move? If it's him he wants to do it later, if it's you then no way. Forget a rule? If it's him he'll ask to do it right when he remembers it, if it's you he won't remind you and certainly not want to go back. Back when you couldn't measure anything at anytime this guy would always pull out his tape far enough that he could see shooting/assault ranges when moving. Rules dispute? You either agree to his point or keep debating it until tomorrow. And the constant adjusting for the barest millimeter of position, and pondering moves for so long that you're still on turn three when the rest of the tables have reached the end of the game.

Spetulhu wrote:

Baronyu wrote:
It really is just someone who is very unpleasant to play with, either by being a sore loser, or overly pedantic about rules, especially those to his advantage.

Well, I can confess to being a sore loser if it seems my army isn't managing to get anything done. ;-)

It's ok to pout or be unhappy about losing, no one likes losing, and we can't just expect everyone to sport a lovely smile even after losing a game, no matter how trivial the game is. But... well, it's type like the one described by Talizvar above, ones who go out of their way to make things unpleasant for everyone, ones who no matter if they win or lose, you just don't feel like rooting for them as the audience...

I`ve never had the pleasure of meeting someone I`d label TFG myself, but here`s a nice anecdote from a store-owner, almost on par with some other stories here:

He was in a tournament up against a guy who had actually made a custom 2" measuring tape which he used to line up a wall of kroot along the table edge. This made the units come in piece-meal so he could focus-fire and frag em. Naturally most opponents got clean-swept by turn 3.
When said guy actually did lose to a savvy opponent, he quit the tournament because his chance at #1 was ruined, actually denying two others the chance to play in the proces. Because these folks didn`t get to play, they couldn`t rack up enough points and were de-facto out of competition for the title. Because of one guy`s ego, part of a tournament went down the drain.

I had my lower jaw between my feet by the end of that story...

Oh, another one I had was an ork player who dragged out a 2 hour game slot so that we only got to the end of turn 3. It took me less than ten minutes to do my entire 3 turns as I had reserved a large portion of my army and they turned up turn 3.

His justification was moving his army "correctly". He measured for every single man in a 120 ork green tide. I told him he could just measure the front rank and I'd be cool with him spreading out the remains behind them but no. He wouldn't.

 wowsmash wrote:
People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

A friend of mine actually did this once. I showed him my list, asked to see his, he said his laptop had a "technical difficulty", then disapeared upstairs for about ten minutes, then showed me his suspiciously counter-y list.

The kroot thing isn't TFG IMO. Very few people started with nothing on the board in 4th/5th. Those that did, could likley Tank Shock with ease through Kroot. It sounds a lot like this guy's opponents didn't know what options they had. If he lied and told them that, then absolutely, he's TFG.

It really did happen in a tournament though, a big one. It was Tau VS SM bikes iirc. Kroot infiltrated for the 100% win

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
TFG when he wins will gloat all the way and make comments about how noob you are.

TFG when he loses will cry and complain about everything.

Not to mention TFG might cheat or be a rules lawyer, or another behavior to gain advantage over you.

Overall: You just don't want to play against TFG.

This ^. I hate this so much, we have a guy at our lfgs like this. He tries to cheat like there is no tomorrow, like deploying IG hw squads without platoons, denying cover saves and claiming it himself the next minute (also a lot of deamon codex abuse, ignoring inconvenient rules). Its helped by the fact he only has the slightest idea of what his codex and the BRB says. Probably for the fact that his tactics and unit composition are horrible, does he feel the need to cheat. If he plays he either gets tabled and gets really mad and rage quits or wins easily (due to his opponent not knowing his codex or not noticing slight changes he makes). Each victory is celebrated like some awesome struggle against twice the amoint of points. Which then makes him believe he is an awesome general and start giving out advice and saying how bad this or that youre doing is, while not even knowing your or his own army. I once watched the last minutes of a game against necrons and was pointing out all the errors he was making with his deamon codex. I own it myself so I started helping the Necron player a bit (who didnt realize the deamon guy was cheating). Things like an unscatered deamon portal (pumping out deamons safely behind cover) and using old rules from previous deamon codexes (very obvious changes like loss of ew or fnp) with the new one in his hands. It was too late for the Necron player unfortunatly and he got a loss on the local tournament (which isnt that strictly organised, but still fun regardless). I too have been cheated by this player, like most others Ive know.

Edit: Just to clear up, this guy is not inexperienced (it may sound like it though), hes played deamons for over 2 years.

A person that asks to see your army-list so said person can try to build a perfect counter-army.

A person that cannot follow the old adage of; "Be gracious in defeat and humble in victory".

A person that quits during turn two because things aren't going 110% his way.

 Talizvar wrote:
TFG:

They feel like a physical pressure from the moment they open their mouths:

(Note: real quotes of what I have heard over time)

Spoiler:

I am great,
really I am,
I tabled a guy in two turns,
my list is the best,
yours looks a little weak,
ask me next time you go to make a list, I will set you right, What? you did not know that?!?!
how long have you been gaming?
(take answer and multiply by two for how long he has played),
I cant be bothered to paint the miniatures because it is all about the game.
I go first, no you do not get to "seize the initiative", where did you hear that?
Why do I roll a single dice a "special" way? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF CHEATING BECAUSE I GOT NINE SIXES IN A ROW?!?!
What do you mean I am moving my troops 7" every turn??
<starts winning>
You might as well give up now,
my tactics have never been beaten,
I told you your army is no good in this edition,
You should practice a little more with the kids,
<starts losing>
Your army list is so cheesy,
No-one's luck is that good, what are you doing?
You suck at this, you just have not realized it yet.
<wins>
As expected, I won. I do not play losers so you should go get some wins in before you beg me to play you again.
<loses>
<throws miniature at hand at wall (mine, gets kicked out, his, I laugh)>
I do not play with cheaters who do not respect the game (??),
If you did not tailor your list I would have won (had no idea I was playing him and neither did he).

I find in the end, I have a headache after playing these people you always have to be "on" at all times or they will exploit every opportunity they can. They are nature's way to make you appreciate "normal" people by contrast.

You play with a special type of gamer, it seems. Yowsa!

 kronk wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
TFG:

They feel like a physical pressure from the moment they open their mouths:

(Note: real quotes of what I have heard over time)

Spoiler:

I am great,
really I am,
I tabled a guy in two turns,
my list is the best,
yours looks a little weak,
ask me next time you go to make a list, I will set you right, What? you did not know that?!?!
how long have you been gaming?
(take answer and multiply by two for how long he has played),
I cant be bothered to paint the miniatures because it is all about the game.
I go first, no you do not get to "seize the initiative", where did you hear that?
Why do I roll a single dice a "special" way? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF CHEATING BECAUSE I GOT NINE SIXES IN A ROW?!?!
What do you mean I am moving my troops 7" every turn??
<starts winning>
You might as well give up now,
my tactics have never been beaten,
I told you your army is no good in this edition,
You should practice a little more with the kids,
<starts losing>
Your army list is so cheesy,
No-one's luck is that good, what are you doing?
You suck at this, you just have not realized it yet.
<wins>
As expected, I won. I do not play losers so you should go get some wins in before you beg me to play you again.
<loses>
<throws miniature at hand at wall (mine, gets kicked out, his, I laugh)>
I do not play with cheaters who do not respect the game (??),
If you did not tailor your list I would have won (had no idea I was playing him and neither did he).

I find in the end, I have a headache after playing these people you always have to be "on" at all times or they will exploit every opportunity they can. They are nature's way to make you appreciate "normal" people by contrast.

You play with a special type of gamer, it seems. Yowsa!

I have played over the years "special people" for some reason narcissists are drawn to this hobby and I seem to find them on occasion.
Once you know key words to drive them insane it is fairly easy to win.
"I am going to kill your commander and there is nothing you can do about it."
That challenge alone can get him to throw away a game or hide a deathstar.
Then he would say "ha! proved you wrong!" and I say "but I won the game".
There is some justice in dealing with these people.