Cease & Desist letter sent to Dakka on behalf of Resin Forge & its owner Daniel Mandelbaum

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**Rorschach9**

yakface wrote:

I also will not be looking to pursue any legal actions for this whole matter because frankly I have no interest in wasting any more of my time on this ridiculousness. The entire point of the original thread (and this one) continues to be just to identify that Daniel Mandelbaum is an owner of Resin Forge, which has been amply accomplished by this point.

Does this include reporting the matter to appropriate authorities and letting them handle it?

That's incredibly unfortunate as it's like witnessing a crime and ignoring it so that the perpetrator walks away. In fact, it IS being witness to a crime and ignoring it to let the perpetrator get away with it.

**MajorTom11**

He initially put no limit on it. Then he said he had 5 for sure and would buy the left-overs at the end of the day and if necessary haggle in the parking lot with other attendees for whatever he needed, going so far as to call this common practice. (which it may be, but only if you haven't pre defined the price as CHEAPER than ordering from FW lol!).

He then went back to five (2 RF owners, 3 friends) after everyone started pointing out how absolutely insane that was.

This is all from memory I didn't keep screenshots, but that was the order of things.

**Inquisitor S.**

He initially put no limit on it. Then he said he had 5 for sure and would buy the left-overs at the end of the day and if necessary haggle in the parking lot with other attendees for whatever he needed, going so far as to call this common practice. (which it may be, but only if you haven't pre defined the price as CHEAPER than ordering from FW lol!).

I remember (and of that one I have a screenshot) that the first one to order a Fulgrim was a guy from Switzerland (didn't look like a fake profile). So being FROM Switzerland doesn't necessarily mean that one is residing there right now. Otherwise the scheme (fly from Texas to Nottingham, buy miniature, fly back, pack miniature and send it back to Europe) would seem even more, erm, exotic

But hey, even if, everybody as they want, in that case I'd nevertheless be interested how much they charge for shipping

**Kroothawk**

Fact stays that even fake Britcons wasn't a law firm but a mercenary company. That he called the fake identity his lawyer and mandated it to write the C&D email and that he still claims it to be real, hiding its identity. And still calling an uninvolved photographer from Germany as his legal representative is ... well ... unusual and more than just fishy.

**Inquisitor S.**

Fact stays that even fake Britcons wasn't a law firm but a mercenary company. That he called the fake identity his lawyer and mandated it to write the C&D email and that he still claims it to be real, hiding its identity. And still calling an uninvolved photographer from Germany as his legal representative is ... well ... unusual and more than just fishy.

Is he STILL doing that? In any case I would love to have a statement of Resin Forge regarding their choice of legal representation and what they have to say about them not existing. Volunteers?

**Frazzled**

Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.

**Howard A Treesong**

I thought that in discussions quoted above he has confirmed being behind the action.

**Inquisitor S.**

Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

We have multiple screens of the Facebook page of Resin Forge referring to it. So this would only make sense (lack of better word) if the Facebook page was managed by the same pranksters. This whole issue is just soooo muddled that I have serious doubts about the mental capacities of Mr Mandelbaum, it just doesn't make any sense unless you are stupid beyond belief.

**Alfndrate**

Frazzled wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.

The C&D in Yak's OP was emailed to him, it was a "real enough" C&D, although it came from a fake "law firm".

**Frazzled**

Alfndrate wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.

The C&D in Yak's OP was emailed to him, it was a "real enough" C&D, although it came from a fake "law firm".

Really? You don't need a law firm for a C&E. Its just correspondence.
(hidden fact you don't actually need a lawyer for lawsuits for many things - at least in Texas - but you get what you pay for).

**Necros**

In texas, can't you just shoot people you don't like?

**kronk**

Frazzled wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.

The C&D in Yak's OP was emailed to him, it was a "real enough" C&D, although it came from a fake "law firm".

Really? You don't need a law firm for a C&E. Its just correspondence.
(hidden fact you don't actually need a lawyer for lawsuits for many things - at least in Texas - but you get what you pay for).

But a man that represents himself has a fool for a client.

**Alfndrate**

Frazzled wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.

The C&D in Yak's OP was emailed to him, it was a "real enough" C&D, although it came from a fake "law firm".

Really? You don't need a law firm for a C&E. Its just correspondence.
(hidden fact you don't actually need a lawyer for lawsuits for many things - at least in Texas - but you get what you pay for).

I know, it's been pointed out you don't need a lawyer for a C&D, but I believe it was also stated that C&D letters are handled by courier and not an email server. Like I said, it was "real enough" and it was from a fake "law firm".

**Aerethan**

Inquisitor S. wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

We have multiple screens of the Facebook page of Resin Forge referring to it. So this would only make sense (lack of better word) if the Facebook page was managed by the same pranksters. This whole issue is just soooo muddled that I have serious doubts about the mental capacities of Mr Mandelbaum, it just doesn't make any sense unless you are stupid beyond belief.

Indeed, Resin Forge did take responsibility for the C&D, as well as saying that Britcons.com, the website for their "legal counsel" was taken down after Lexicanum "reported" it for using boilerplate documents.

The site was a fraud, the C&D is a fraud, and Resin Forge made very clear that they had involvement in both(before we outed them as frauds).

So this takes things to an entirely new level. Unless RF can provide proof that THEY were the ones being defrauded by some fake website, then one as to assume(since they took so much credit for it) that they, to some degree, had knowledge of said fraud. They claim to have paypal receipts, correspondence etc, but of course we all know they wouldn't release them if asked, they'd just avoid the question as they always do.

My opinion(which I am offering as opinion only, not as fact) is that RF submitted the C&D, and likely perpetrated any steps needed to do so. I don't have the time to research it further, as I have work to do, but I'm sure the digital trail is out there, should anyone with the skills be so inclined to dig into it.

Side note, down to 2214 likes, lost 30 legitimate people in 7 days, so that's fun.

**doc1234**

Remind me never to mess with Aerethan. EVER.

**Mad4Minis**

yakface wrote:

Okay update time:

I have been provided with enough evidence to say with certainty that there is no such company as britcons.com (their website has since been taken down for those not following the proceedings of this thread day-to-day).

The Cease & Desist email was sent by someone pretending to be Michael Duerkop, the CEO of this fictitious company.

The real Michael Duerkop is just a photographer in Germany who owns the (long dormant) britcons.com domain. He has recently had several of his online accounts compromised (such as paypal, Facebook, go daddy, etc) and whomever compromised these accounts then used them to create the Britcons.com website that used to be there and send the Cease & Desist email from the info@Britcons.com email account (that they created).

Now, and this is very important, there is no evidence proving who was responsible for compromising his accounts and creating this charade. It is entirely possible that someone created this fake website, etc, and then went and misrepresented themselves to Resin Forge as being able to provide legal counsel. So please refrain from making any statements as though you *know* who was responsible, even if circumstantially it may seem obvious to you.

I will not be reinstating the previous thread, because as I've said a few times now, I'm much more comfortable with the way the information is presented in this current thread as opposed to the previous one.

I also will not be looking to pursue any legal actions for this whole matter because frankly I have no interest in wasting any more of my time on this ridiculousness. The entire point of the original thread (and this one) continues to be just to identify that Daniel Mandelbaum is an owner of Resin Forge, which has been amply accomplished by this point.

Well said my good man. It seems the whole deal, should it be fake, is set to implode on those responsible all on its own.

**Inquisitor S.**

They claim to have paypal receipts, correspondence etc,

With the "lawyers"? Where is this tidbit of info from?

**Mad4Minis**

Aerethan wrote:
Inquisitor S. wrote:
Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

We have multiple screens of the Facebook page of Resin Forge referring to it. So this would only make sense (lack of better word) if the Facebook page was managed by the same pranksters. This whole issue is just soooo muddled that I have serious doubts about the mental capacities of Mr Mandelbaum, it just doesn't make any sense unless you are stupid beyond belief.

Indeed, Resin Forge did take responsibility for the C&D, as well as saying that Britcons.com, the website for their "legal counsel" was taken down after Lexicanum "reported" it for using boilerplate documents.

The site was a fraud, the C&D is a fraud, and Resin Forge made very clear that they had involvement in both(before we outed them as frauds).

So this takes things to an entirely new level. Unless RF can provide proof that THEY were the ones being defrauded by some fake website, then one as to assume(since they took so much credit for it) that they, to some degree, had knowledge of said fraud. They claim to have paypal receipts, correspondence etc, but of course we all know they wouldn't release them if asked, they'd just avoid the question as they always do.

My opinion(which I am offering as opinion only, not as fact) is that RF submitted the C&D, and likely perpetrated any steps needed to do so. I don't have the time to research it further, as I have work to do, but I'm sure the digital trail is out there, should anyone with the skills be so inclined to dig into it.

Side note, down to 2214 likes, lost 30 legitimate people in 7 days, so that's fun.

Should it all be what it appears to be, the perpetrators should probably be hoping real hard the man whos name, website, etc was used doesnt decide to take legal action. Those actions, possibly combined with the past actions of those likely responsible, could likely result in some major legal hurt.

**doc1234**

I'm surprised the photographer (If i recall?) who really owned the website etc hasn't taken action himself.

**Aerethan**

Inquisitor S. wrote:
They claim to have paypal receipts, correspondence etc,

With the "lawyers"? Where is this tidbit of info from?

As for the legal firm. We have documents and payments as records. Claims against us over that are easily refuted to any law enforcement agency who can see the evidence for themselves. I cant speak more on that but in general that's not the point of the customer service line. Make use of it, that's why its there
Friday 5/10/13 7:45am

Screenshots of this statement I have as well.

**Inquisitor S.**

Screenshots of this statement I have as well.

Very good

So here I actually see that he refers to them as his "legal" firm. Does he also mention their name?

**Frazzled**

Necros wrote:
In texas, can't you just shoot people you don't like?

We like to think of that as "clearing the air."

**Aerethan**

Inquisitor S. wrote:
Screenshots of this statement I have as well.

Very good So here I actually see that he refers to them as his "legal" firm. Does he also mention their name?

He does not mention them by name. He does take credit for the C&D being sent on RF's behalf, and that he has screenshots of correspondence about why the site was taken down(which also won't be made public).

Basically, RF claims to have all manner of proof showing their legitimacy, yet they have not shown a single damn shred of said evidence to their own customers, let alone to the gaming community.

Proof without proof. Why should anyone take RF at its word, when they are run by a person who we know to be one of the least trustworthy people around?

This all boils down to RF proving any of the BS they claim. I highly doubt they will or can.

**glasses**

While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

**notprop**

He's back - Huzzah! Let the hilarity recommence!

**Aerethan**

The C&D is not in question, it's debunked entirely. We have 100% proven it to be fraudulent.

I'm fine with modding the crap out of this thread to get rid of any OT "threats" or bullying.

The point remains, that RF claims to have proof, yet proves none of it.

And I'm quite sure Alpharius and a few people from the TSS incident have records of the relevant nightmares.

Also, "confronting" someone does not in any way imply violence. It means exactly that: to approach someone about an issue or dispute.

**Inquisitor S.**

Let him speak, erm write, everybody waited. And look out, I am sure it will take mere minutes until this is commented upon on the Facebook page

**Vetric**

glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

To clarify: are you saying Alpharius is lying?

**Inquisitor S.**

To clarify: are you saying Alpharius is lying?

And please with a very clear "yes" or "no" answer

**Alfndrate**

glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

The "confronting him and his group" comments have been quickly, both by active users and by the Mods, shut down as something no one should even think of doing. Besides the waste of time of not enjoying the HH Weekender, mob justice is pointless justice.

I do have a question glasses, why would Mr. Mandelbaum and or any of his associates show you (seemingly a random person on the internet) PayPal disputes against him, money order/credit card info, etc...? Are you more in the know than those of us in this thread? I'd like to see proof that this has just been a giant misunderstanding and that Mr. Mandelbaum has been on the wrong end of a bad reputation, but his actions make it pretty clear to those of us not emotionally involved that he and Resin Forge are up to some shady business practices.