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glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

No, there are not threats of violence. The first point was not only a misquote, it was also yanked out of context. The context referred to this statement: "hidden fact you don't actually need a lawyer for lawsuits for many things - at least in Texas - but you get what you pay for", and was actually "In texas, can't you just shoot people you don't like?". Nowhere in this exchange is RF or anyone affiliated with RF mentioned. If anything, your misquote (which has been re-arranged to look menacing) is slanderous, since it falsely implies that a member has made a death threat, a very serious allegation.

I would also encourage you to look up the word 'confront', since you are assuming only one definition of the word is being used, whereas there a many other definitions of it that do not deal with violence at all.

I suggest that you avoid slander yourself before accusing others of doing it.

glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question,

They are not in question. An innocent person had their identity stolen and websites hacked in order for somebody to pass themselves off as legal council to Daniel Mandelbaum.

The intent is still the same.

What intend? Thad Daniel Mandelbaum wants us to quit talking about him? Daniel Mandelbaum could have send a C&D himself, there was no need for legal representation for that. Anybody can do it, I have done it.

I have also reported my factual experiences with him. So there is no slander there. Many others have reported factual experiences here. And when people are stating things that we do not know to be true, it is quickly pointed out by the community. Recasting is a good example: People keep on bringing it up, and we quickly correct them that there has not been one complaint of receiving a recast piece.

And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc.

We always joke about Texas, making fun of the crazy mindset of Texans is not the same as threatening people.

And stating "I might try to introduce myself" is not a threat of violence, and has also been heavily discouraged by the community. Everybody that mentions it is encouraged to go to the event and have a good time instead of trying to seek out anybody.

While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

At least our mods moderate in public in this thread, reminding people to be polite and answering questions instead of deleting things that they don't agree with and trying to hide things.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

The proof is out there, one must only look.

glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

No no, lets not jump on this new poster.
Obviously the new poster is an ESL poster and we should congratulate him on learning much of our language.
To aid you in your pursuit of correct English, lets begin.
When one poster asks another poster, if they just shoot people in Texas, they are not noting a direct threat to a third party. They are however, either criticizing or inversely applauding Texans, their legal system, or the greatness that is Texas in general. As a Texan I am sure it is both envy and applause, for we are great.
To threaten a third party they have to actually use verbs that directly threaten a third party.
Paypal is (as has been said against me many times) a strawman argument, and does not merit discussion.
Money orders and credit card statements don't show findings of "fraud,scamming,stolen,etc.)
Again to your third point, thats not harassment with violent threats. That would require something like "I'm going to use your eyes for juju beads, and I am coming over there right now." because you need that immediacy thing too. Does anyone know what juju beads are by the way, and why you would use eyes for them?
Slander is spoken by the way. Outside of sending waves, its not possible to verbally defame someone over the internet. interestingly, new technology could theoretically mean you could slander someone via written format, with imbedded audio files. But is that still slander? Its a unique question you've brought up there Glasses. Almost a philosophical one.

On the positive, this has been a nice excuse to once again allude to the greatness of all things Texas. Except Dallas of course. Dallas is wrong and anyone who lives in Dallas should feel bad because they live in Dallas. Not like Houston or Austin or Lubbock or Brownsville. Indeed, anyone living in the Dallas area should almost be ashamed and should never admit they are from Dallas. I'd hate to see any Dallas people post on our fine board. It almost be like conversing with a no good dirty low down horse thief.

So all in good post there Glasses, and keep up with your English studies.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

glasses wrote:
While the C&D letter's origins are in question, The intent is still the same. And has not stopped. There are still threats of violence, like "shooting someone you dont like in Tx" "confronting him and his group at the HH wkender" etc. While there is a token of MOD editing it is still there.

I have yet to see one PayPal dispute resolution with his or any other company affiliated with him. Much less a money order/credit card statment or letter showing any findings of fraud,scamming,stolen, etc. So the slander still continues along with cyber bullying and harrasment with violent threats, joking or otherwise.

No, there are not threats of violence. The first point was not only a misquote, it was also yanked out of context. The context referred to this statement: "hidden fact you don't actually need a lawyer for lawsuits for many things - at least in Texas - but you get what you pay for", and was actually "In texas, can't you just shoot people you don't like?". Nowhere in this exchanged is RF or anyone affiliated with RF mentioned. If anything, your misquote (which has been re-arranged to look menacing) is slanderous, since it falsely implies that a member has made a death threat, a very serious allegation.

I would also encourage you to look up the word 'confront', since you are assuming only one definition of the word is being used, whereas there a many other definitions of it that do not deal with violence at all.

I suggest that you avoid slander yourself before accusing others of doing it.

I ran into something similar when interacting with the Resin Forge FB page. Innocent statements being misinterpreted (and misquoted) as threats. The comments were all deleted, but I have screen caps of most. In my case I started a sentence with "Wait", which he read as "Just wait" and interpreted as a threat.

Let me go on the record here... I wouldn't have said anything, if Justin had not said something, himself, and mentioned me, personally:

 GalaxyGames wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

You would then have to travel to Texas to be in court to testify, present documentation, and hope that the other party hasn't done something to cause you to have to travel to Texas a second time; file a last second extension, perhaps?

The gaming community is a solid one and the people in it watch each other's back's very well.

RF kind of reminds of the guys that tried to start up that deep discount pre-order thing several months/couple of years ago.

MM and Alph would know who they were..... Gobbo Games or something?

I haven't read everything - but I assume you are talking about me. Justin Wu.

I am in Seattle, WA. My business(es) are seperate and not in any way affiliated or related at all to any past, or present ventures. (MWG, RSO, TSS, RF etc.)
I have known Matt-Daniel previously as he has been on my websites in the past as well as bartertown.
Dakka staff know who I am. MM-Bartertown knows who I am.

I do not have any outstanding owed debts/balances to anyone to my knowledge. I have not done much 'commercial' business in wargaming in a while.
I do have intentions of doing so again in the future, but more focused on my other non-wargaming ventures in RL.
If anything owed by me then feel free to contact me at any time. (Not Daniel's Transactions)

Galaxy Gobbo had closed down because the groupon-deep discount business model is not sustainable business model with very low profit margins.
We fulfilled all our orders to best of our supply capabilities, and refunded all who did not.

I have done several hundreds if not thousands of successful trades/sales transactions across Roguemarket, Bartertown, Dakka, & Ebay.
But, I am not perfect and I have failed on delivery on transactions in the past - but worked to the best of my ability to resolve on those transactions.

I casually still sell wargaming goods on the side (personal collection) on ebay and some few trades here and there.

I have assisted Dakka before on a past nasty scammer.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/242943.page

I also assisted AlarmingRick - with his deal with trade deal agreement with Matt-Daniel who owed him a Baneblade.
I was able to assist AlarmingRick to retrieve his owed Baneblade by supplying a Baneblade from my own personal inventory.

Hope this is clarification - to clear the air.
OP Topic isn't about me - but if any other questions let me know.

J

Mods, if this is too far off topic and you remove it, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. Thanks. I'm just trying to post some support for the quote above.

Justin Wu has, in the past, been associated with Daniel (as Matt Bonder), when Dan/Matthew was Admin on Rogue Market. I did not then, do not now, and have never in the interim believed that Justin was in ANY WAY associated with Dan/Matthew's (alleged) scams in any intentional manner. *IF* he is guilty of anything in that regard, it is simply guilt from poor decisions in trusting Dan/Matthew... and who among us has not made similar mistakes? As Conversion Corner, he was a Bartertown advertiser, for goodness' sake (before everything went downhill. I think he did not move fast enough to boot Dan/Matthew from his staff position - which I think he'd agree with, in hindsight - but I do NOT think that was any attempt at inappropriate behavior.

Do I like Justin? No. He and I have differences that, while I consider them "water under the bridge," for the most part, make me have no desire to have anything to do with him. I do not, however, believe he is an inherently dishonest person or in any way guilty of any sort or criminal or ethical charges in relation to Mandelbonder.

Eric

"glasses" got what he wanted: with an investment of a couple sentences he got pages of response all to a 4 posting account.

It is perfectly legitimate that a customer who has an unfulfilled purchase to go meet the representatives of that company at an event they are doing business.

Well, he was right about the thing that people should really stop their unrealistic vengeance phantasies. This is the internet, none of what would happen in their wishful thinking would happen in real life.

And no need to throw stones please, it's me!

I at NO POINT mentioned 'confrontation' or 'confronting' Mr Mandelbraum.

I DID however offer to meet with him to put to him directly the concerns of several persons, and to discuss these.

I also mentioned that I knew people who would like to 'have a word' with him - again, no threat made or implied.

I would suggest to Glasses that they stop trying to read threats into text that just aren't there.

I never said anyone was lying. I was questiong why the people on here havent posted any third party colonoration to tjere claims of fraud in any of the "evidence" I can see/view. And just because a post was deleted dosent mean it wasn't read or screenshotted. If you had someone call you 70 times call the police show them you evidence, make a report post ot as it is now public record. In the mean time unless you have real evidence this forum way be condonig cyber bulling and harrasment at the least.

glasses wrote:
I never said anyone was lying. I was questiong why the people on here havent posted any third party colonoration

I do not know what a 'colonoration' is, but the very thought of one existing, and no less than internet gamers posting pictures of one, terrifies me.

"colonoration" - Noun
A formal speech, esp. one given on a ceremonial occasion, pertaining to one's colon.

?

That was written very trollish...

D-USA - I would have said it was *almost* like Daniel's spelling and use of grammar wouldn't you?

glasses wrote:
I never said anyone was lying. I was questiong why the people on here havent posted any third party colonoration to tjere claims of fraud in any of the "evidence" I can see/view. And just because a post was deleted dosent mean it wasn't read or screenshotted. If you had someone call you 70 times call the police show them you evidence, make a report post ot as it is now public record. In the mean time unless you have real evidence this forum way be condonig cyber bulling and harrasment at the least.

I take it you didn't read my suggestion to stop with the baseless allegations. The forums condones nothing of the sort, and you and your allegations are way out of line. Thus far you have accussed people of making death threats, threats of violence, cyber-bullying, and harrassment; are there any other false claims you wish to level in the short time you have left on this forum*?

*Because you are breaking the forum's rules, the forum maintains the right to ban your account for doing so. My comment is implying only that due to thise rule-breaking, your account may be subject to action, and no threats in the non-exhaustive list of violence, death, harm, or harrassment, have been made against you, Resing Forge, or any of its affiliates. Misquoting my comment in any form, and/or failing to include this addendum with the quote, will automatically absolve me of any blame or claims levelled at me when referring to the comment.

Nah, it's not Daniel. It's the PR person. Daniel has left the body, go away.

And just to be certain I am not defending him as much as I am pointing out what uour doing is wrong, On many different le els and a smear on the gaming community.

glasses wrote:
a smear on the gaming community.

Can you elaborate? Seems revealing those continuously connected with.... events of dubious legality... is actually of benefit to the broader community.

glasses wrote:
And just to be certain I am not defending him as much as I am pointing out what uour doing is wrong, On many different le els and a smear on the gaming community.

No, you are levelling false claims against the forum and its members.

I would also prefer it if you could re-write your last sentence, as it is currently incoherent.

I will reiterate that no further police reports have been filed by Daniel Mandelbaum, Kim Hernandez, or Jason Martin in the last week. The only one I see listed is the same one made by Daniel on 5/6/13 after he called my company several times.

http://policereports.dallaspolice.net/publicsearch/searchoffensepublic.aspx

Feel free to fact check when a company claims it's filing police
reports for harassment, as police reports are all public information.

Gentlemen, please continue to behave like civilized Dakkanauts.

Glasses can have his say.

Edit: Thank you for that police report link, Aerethan.

Glasses, I'd like to suggest you take a moment to review your posts for spelling/grammar before hitting submit. Most browsers will put a line under misspelled words, and correcting this small mistakes will help folks understand you better.

Ok, I'll bite,

How is it a 'smear' on the gaming community to point out that a man who has previously 'had problems' fulfilling orders, and has now popped up again under a different guise?

Or are you accusing the posters here who have made claims against Daniel / Jason whoever of lying, and making baseless accusations? If so, that's a pretty serious claim that is actionable (certainly in the UK at least under Libel laws, which BTW, would be enforceable as this site is accessible from the UK, and carry pretty hefty punitive damages)?

glasses wrote:
And just to be certain I am not defending him as much as I am pointing out what uour doing is wrong, On many different le els and a smear on the gaming community.

Daniel Mandelbaum, through his past actions, has done pretty much everything possible to ensure a community's loathing and contempt.

And whilst I would agree that this thread is getting somewhat off point there hasn't been any harassment or threatening behavior on the part of the contributors.

Art Steventon wrote:
Ok, I'll bite,

How is it a 'smear' on the gaming community to point out that a man who has previously 'had problems' fulfilling orders, and has now popped up again under a different guise?

Or are you accusing the posters here who have made claims against Daniel / Jason whoever of lying, and making baseless accusations? If so, that's a pretty serious claim that is actionable (certainly in the UK at least under Libel laws, which BTW, would be enforceable as this site is accessible from the UK, and carry pretty hefty punitive damages)?

For the moment, we don't know who or what is a smear on the gaming community. His last sentence (the one that contained the comment) was not written well enough for its point to be ascertained.

Every reply you make to glasses kills a Resin Forge liker. Stop the massacre, now!

Back on topic: we can firmly say we discouraged all forms of bodily harassment. Asking questions does not qualify as bullying, threatening or anything else. In addition we would like to remind Mr Glasses if he'd like to pass that on to Mr Mandelbaum or Mr PR, that we can still see his statement that Lexicanum is a hate page. And THAT for sure is what he would call "slander". So...? (No threatening "so", just an "so" as in your turn)

glasses wrote:
And just to be certain I am not defending him as much as I am pointing out what uour doing is wrong, On many different le els and a smear on the gaming community.

???

Open discussion? Requests for facts? Keeping people informed? Compiling known information? Performing as asked on the CD letter (however shaky it's origins are)?
How is this wrong or a smear on the community?
Google on the net about this thread, it is not of that opinion in the majority of hits.

To hold accountable an individual for their actions as best they could be found out?
To inform others of this person's business practices so they can make an informed decision?
Most people who have posted here show some degree of involvement and investment in this group giving thoughtful responses.

To point out what is being done is "wrong" and a "smear on the gaming community" shows as little thought to argument as to spelling in the post.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Every reply you make to glasses kills a Resin Forge liker. Stop the massacre, now!

Careful, that quote could be quite easily cut up and misinterpretted.

EDIT: Inquisitor S has issued a correction of the above quoted statement:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Careful, that quote could be quite easily cut up and misinterpretted.

You are right. I correct myself to this, your honour:

"Every reply you make to glasses convinces a Resin Forge liker that continuing to like Resin Forge is becoming harder and harder to justify. Stop the removal of likes, now!"

Careful, that quote could be quite easily cut up and misinterpretted.

You are right. I correct myself to this, your honour:

"Every reply you make to glasses convinces a Resin Forge liker that continuing to like Resin Forge is becoming harder and harder to justify. Stop the removal of likes, now!"

Your lack of command of the English language makes it incredibly difficult to decipher your posts glasses, even with the miniscule amount of content in them. As to your claims of threats of physical violence and the like, I have read all twenty pages of this post and for the life of me can not find a direct quote that would constitute the legal charge of assault (threats) in accordance with Texas or Federal law.

If there has been written testimonial, on this site, over several years, of people paying money to and forwarding miniatures to, a variety of business names, emails and aliases that all link to Mr Daniel Mandelbaum, and the testimonials, from various users of this site, state that these customers were not traded merchandise they had paid for and were given very long, ongoing communiques of various personal issues affecting Mr Daniel Mandelbaum, working under one of the aliases he was trading as, then this thread is most certainly not a 'smear' on the gaming community and is, in fact, a pertinent warning to and service to the gaming and miniatures community and I applaud those who took the steps to warn us of the potential pitfall posed to us as likely customers/targets of Mr Daniel Mandelbaum.