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 alarmingrick wrote:

 warhamster77 wrote:
@alarmingrick, I've been part of this community for the last 3.5 years, and have met most of the gamers, some of them have become close friends, others have not. Of all of them, I haven't met or heard of this person(s) until this whole mess.

Don't take it wrong, I seriously don't doubt you.

Mayhaps this individual is not a gamer. Maybe he's not even human...
Would you like to play a game?

glasses wrote:
3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.
The owner would have received either a letter or email about it with some info and conclusion.
Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?
That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.
Im pretty sure this will be my last post as it very clear Major Tom thinks im here to incite anger.
If you have such "evidence" share show me he is a crook. Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.
Names in under clothes ID can be used for preliminary id.

My question to you is this.

Why have several people, on this site and elsewhere, all, over the course of years, falsely (if we are to humor your disbelief for a moment) conspiring to call Daniel Mandelbaum a crook?

What is in it for all these people to go to the effort of linking cases, citing experiences and warning people?

You have repeatedly appeared in this thread to dismiss the whole thing due to a lack of evidence but my question to you is simply why? Why bother to go to these lengths unless there was reason?

@Frazzled, honestly that is something I had not considered. Especially after seeing the models on the RF page that he converted.

My question to you is this.

Why have several people, on this site and elsewhere, all, over the course of years, falsely (if we are to humor your disbelief for a moment) conspiring to call Daniel Mandelbaum a crook?

What is in it for all these people to go to the effort of linking cases, citing experiences and warning people?

You have repeatedly appeared in this thread to dismiss the whole thing due to a lack of evidence but my question to you is simply why? Why bother to go to these lengths unless there was reason?

Don't feed the troll. He just tries to get his well documented posts deleted and himself to be banned so that he can proudly present himself as the victim on his Facebook page. That's what he is trying to do since the beginning: his mantra was: see, dakka deletes and hates on everybody who speaks up for Resin Forge. That is exactly what he is trying to achieve now again. Just let him talk or write till his fingers are bloody (no threat here) and don't answer him. Apparently there's nothing else anymore he can fill his newsfeed feed otherwise.

Could be a former player or "hobbyist." Could be an Engineer, killing time while deciding whether to drop some black goo on us and turn us all into facehuggers. Who can tell.

 warhamster77 wrote:
@Frazzled, honestly that is something I had not considered. Especially after seeing the models on the RF page that he converted.

It IS a thought though. Yes he seems to be a talented converter, but even though we often assume otherwise "modeler" and "gamer" aren't always synonymous. If he hasn't been seen around your gaming community for X amount of years, could make sense that he doesn't actually play.

Alternatively he just plays from home, either are likely.

That is something I have come to realize, especially in this area. Many individuals in my own circle are talented modellers, but do not participate in the gaming aspect, and vice versa. And with the internet cart, he would never have to step foot in a FLGS.

Agree with doc, just because he isn't an active member of the gaming community in your area doesn't necessitate that he is not in fact a gamer. I'm a fairly avid fantasy/40k player, own 4 armies between the two systems in the thousands of points (2 armies each system), and I can reliably say that no one in the houston, or the fort hood gaming community has seen or heard of me, because I only play with a select group of family and friends. Could be a similar situation with this individual, or he could not be a gamer at all, but this is getting OT, so I will stop here.

Indeed, I model and game but would not be known to my local gaming community.

Update #2:

I want to reiterate again that there is no concrete proof one way or another as to who it was that claimed to be Michael Duerkop and emailed the C&D letter.

I can confirm that the 'real' Michael Duerkop did receive a paypal payment from Resin Forge, however at the time that payment was sent whomever was pretending to be Michael Duerkop (and had the Britcons.com website up and running) also had access to that paypal account.

It could have been someone from Dakka, it could have been someone from Resin Forge (just sending themselves payment to themselves through his account), or it could have even been the 'real' Michael Duerkop who did it and is just now claiming to have had his accounts hacked.

So again, there is no proof as to who had control of the real Michael Duerkop's accounts and sent out the C&D letter. Or in other words, the ONLY person I can verify that did not send that C&D letter and pretended to be Michael Duerkop is myself (and even that you'll have to just take my word on).

So again, I'd ask everyone to please refrain from assuming that you know who it was that pretended to be the CEO of Britcons.com and sent that C&D letter. Could it have been someone from Resin Forge? It is possible, but it is also possible that someone else pretended to be Michael Duerkop to them and then claimed he could provide them with legal services.

The most important thing is: I DON'T CARE. I complied with the Cease & Desist letter (whoever it may have been sent by) and have no further interest in trying to figure out who allegedly hacked the real Michael Duerkop's online accounts and sent the C&D email.


Also, I am going to start deleting off-topic posts from this thread. People just don't seem to understand that if you don't actually have something on-topic to add, you should not be posting!

Please refrain from posting in this thread unless you have something on-topic to add. Thank you.

Oddly enough I do not need any proof of the guy's innocence or not.

Just with the inflammatory way he conducts himself in his own writing is enough to give his business a pass.

As "glasses" has pointed out do not believe everything on the internet and his motivations are in question and the writing style seems similar to someone...

"The name in underwear" comment is just a shock tactic to derail any mature discussion. To try to support an individual in their business, comments like that do not help the cause.

It makes me happy when people get rude: it gives me permission to ignore them and not take them seriously.

guidsgjg wrote:@Alfndrate
And Roger, I'm no lawyer but under that pretense it can be explicity deduced that it is not a legal document, therefore is inadmissable as legal evidence in a court of law, and can therefore be ignored. All things that have already been stated =/, was just hoping there was a slip up we could exploit for real legal action. I'd like to be able to start some form of action, but without me personally having been frauded or taken advantage of, its hard to do anything about lol.

This is not true. Anyone can write a C&D letter. It does not have to come from a lawyer or court. It definitely could be used as evidence to show that you were warned to stop and of the consequences. Of course, your odds of it being treated by the court as worth more than a used sheet of toilet paper increase HUGELY if you have it send via registered email, rather than email.
ANY C&D letter can be ignored, for the record. Just because they send it doesn't mean you have to cater to their demands.

warhamster77 wrote:Not that I am advocating ANY kind of confrontation with this person, this is Texas, and most Texans are armed...

Please, don't start that. We don't want to risk Mandelbonder saying "Dakka is saying I'm running around carrying guns!"

glasses wrote:3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.
The owner would have received either a letter or email about it with some info and conclusion.


Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?

That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.


Im pretty sure this will be my last post as it very clear Major Tom thinks im here to incite anger.

If you have such "evidence" share show me he is a crook. Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.

Names in under clothes ID can be used for preliminary id.

Re: Bold text
Daniel and I had a long stretched out incident where I needed to send him something, but he wouldn't confirm the shipping address. Eventually, he told me to not bother sending it. I still have the email on it. Other than that, I've had no sale/trade incident with him. I was simply playing Devil's advocate.
So:

]3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.

If someone shows an email they received indicating that PayPal sided with them in a dispute, that would sway you to believe that he's a scammer?
(Note, Mods, I am not calling him one, I'm asking if that would make "glasses" think he was one)

Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?

That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.

As someone who's filled out and been familiar with many people who have filled out Mail Fraud forms, I can tell you that they almost never come to anything in instances like this. That said, are you asking if Mail Fraud documents having been filled out would confirm that Daniel is a scammer? I ask because I asked what proof you would need to believe that, and you responded with that question. I'm hoping that someone simply filling out those forms would make you believe he was a scammer. ANYONE can fill those out on ANYONE. I could fill 'em out on my own dad.

Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.

(Coming back to this, since I've explained now that I'm not asking for ME, but for those who claim to have actually BEEN scammed)
So, just the attempt to get money back is good enough? What if someone can provide a history of emails asking for their money/goods and Daniel
s response that the money/goods are on the way, when those goods never arrived? or, do they need to be some sort of legal form?


Eric

I apologize for getting off on a tangent. I would ask to keep this thread open, as it is educational to those of us who do business out of our home on the do's and don'ts of small business. And I am certain that many feel this way.

I applaud Warhamsters note on both the tangent and the keeping of this post as open. I too would like to see it stay open - if for nothing less than education our fellow hobbyists (both novice and veteran).

Or else it really does seem like the (new) Battlestar Galactica line: "This has all happened before...and it will all happen again."

And six months from now another set of (Insert new name here) (insert name of new company) New "alleged" scam/questionable business practices/possible bad guy (Insert here - another name).

^You mean *alleged* scam. Don't want to get into trouble here, rhetoric is a dangerous thing when misused

*shifty*

Now there is a chance to change his company name etc and start all over. This is a vicious cycle that is not going to end. Whomever it is apparently watches this website so you guys are just going around and around with them. Once it gets to this point its best to prob move on since all the cats have been let out of the bag and C/D's are being tossed around. Wait for the new company to emerge if and when it does.

just my 2 cents.

I'd wager it's already being formed and is just waiting to start up.

Kal-El wrote:
Now there is a chance to change his company name etc and start all over. This is a vicious cycle that is not going to end.

... Until someone actually takes the initiative to speak to the proper authorities and lets them deal with it (assuming even the proper authorities bother to as it's not guaranteed) instead of dealing with their own little bit and then saying "I don't care".

Ya know, I've been keeping up with this thread and read the entire other thread(before its removal). Lots of legal stuff has been thrown around for various reasons. All I've heard so far is a TON of barking, but zero biting. Its clear this guy that you all are accusing(whom I am not associated with in any way, shape, or form) has committed several crimes, why is NOBODY doing anything about it, at all? If this "ResinForge" store is operating as a company, making profit, but not registered as a company and thus not paying taxes as one, why has nobody contact the BBB or any of the other various government agencies that deal with this kind of stuff? Some of the posters here have moaned and groaned enough on this thread, I'm surprised it hasn't happened. You don't have to have been supposedly ripped off by this clown to do anything about it. Maybe some of you have, if so, that's awesome.

Yak, maybe I'm just an idiot infantryman, but who cares if he tries to sue you for BS? There is enough evidence from what I can tell that you could represent yourself, and the only lawyer that could get him out of this is Johnny Cochran(who would promptly use the Wookie Defense for you Southpark fans). I SEVERELY doubt he will actually follow through with a lawsuit(especially for a company that doesn't actually exist), since he has zero leg to stand on. By doing so he is shooting himself in the foot. If customers are owed money by him, and he turns around and sues you over something like this, his customers will flip. He can't pay them money he owes them, but hes got the funds for a lawyer? That wouldn't fly with me if you owed me 500 bucks. If he was legit, he shouldn't care what other people say, and would keep trucking along. GW does it, and look how much crap we(The community as a whole) talk about them? In addition to that, there is enough Dakka support that has said "this person will help you with legal issues pro-Bono". I understand you wanna keep the idiot statements of violence off the board, but I wouldn't be so concerned with treading lightly around someone who is labeled as a scumbag by the community when someone says something bad about him. It's like a drug dealer complaining to the cops he got jacked by one of his customers(at least that is how I equate the situation). Maybe there is a ton more behind the scenes I'm not aware of.

I could be wrong, and there is a decent chance that I am, I'm just giving my opinion about the whole situation.

And for those of you who keep making references to guns/armed people, please, just stop. Seriously. Very few members of this board have actually participated in violent actions against someone(regardless of why) or have pointed a firearm at another human being with the intention to destroy them. Stop inciting activities that you aren't willing to do yourself, most importantly, don't post about someone committing a severe crime against someone over something so dumb.

Edited: Minor spelling errors.

 Firehead158 wrote:
*snip*

Mostly it's down to it's not our place to do anything about him, it's the victims, and regardless of who is at the help ResinForge havn't actually started doing anything underhand with customers yet (and not that i'm saying they are likely to). The sole intent of these threads was simply to inform people the Danial is affiliated with Resinforge, and to show his previous history so that people can make an informed choice on buying from them, not for some great call to justice. Or at the most at least, to form a collective center of information for those potential future victims who DO wish to press charges. No more no less.

Everyone that keeps "barking" for action:
It's been tried. Through the USPS and his local DA. All they said was it didn't "qualify" for them to lift a damn finger.
Even when we collectively approached them it wasn't enough.
Trust me friends, LOTS of action has been taken. And the total of said action is us having to keep our eyes open,
and wait until he pops up and say "look, there he is again".

For the authorities, "toy soldiers" isn't serious business.

One of the useful functions of tracking these incidents and issues, is that if any verifiable criminal activity happens, that data and the past history can be presented to the proper authorities.

 MagickalMemories wrote:

guidsgjg wrote:@Alfndrate
And Roger, I'm no lawyer but under that pretense it can be explicity deduced that it is not a legal document, therefore is inadmissable as legal evidence in a court of law, and can therefore be ignored. All things that have already been stated =/, was just hoping there was a slip up we could exploit for real legal action. I'd like to be able to start some form of action, but without me personally having been frauded or taken advantage of, its hard to do anything about lol.

This is not true. Anyone can write a C&D letter. It does not have to come from a lawyer or court. It definitely could be used as evidence to show that you were warned to stop and of the consequences. Of course, your odds of it being treated by the court as worth more than a used sheet of toilet paper increase HUGELY if you have it send via registered email, rather than email.
ANY C&D letter can be ignored, for the record. Just because they send it doesn't mean you have to cater to their demands.

I can atest to this. I have personally sent C&D letter to a few people. Mostly for behavioral reasons, and bullying, I actually sent a Cease and Desist to someone that was bullying me, I typed it up left it on his locker and left my cell Phone number along with one of my friends who is a lawyer. Describing the situation and to cease communication with me period. Joyous to the world of law.

I have studied law and I have found loop holes in the arguments. We may not use defamatory remarks, but we can say, he is a jelly belly daemon from the pits of hell. Which he cannot claim to be defamation because I truely believe is a daemon invoked from the jelly bean factory. Thats not defamation.... Thats called cleverness. If he believes that his business is hurt because I claimed he is a Jelly bean daemon. Well then you will have trouble convincing me I am wrong.

I mean he could, but the judge will literally look at the plantiff and dismiss the case before it even reaches the court room.

You can ignore C&D letters but it is best not to. you can ignore the one currently imposed on yourself for example, but the consequences you will have to live with.

For me, these threads have served a purpose and I have heeded their warnings to be cautious, to which I have.

Those who have contributed relevant info about this situation are doing that which is within their power and have not been doing nothing. Sometimes just sharing stories is more powerful then anything else that can be done.

EDIT: clarification of my meaning.

So was there ever a 'real' C&D letter or just the Email one? I ask because I have seen a few and I have never heard of an Email C&D. I ask this because lawyers love paper trails. Most C&D letters are sent to a person so they can confirm the person or persons received it. I also think it is odd that a German law office sent the letter.
Most companies that have offices/holdings in multiple countries have legal teams based in all countries with said holdings, and they refer to the country where the main part of the company is run from, and also note the in country legal office(most of the time). Anyone out there with more legal knowledge then I can correct me if i am wrong.

Just the email.

It is disappointing that this same (presumably) person keeps managing to turn up to hurt people. Especially given that he is an apparently talented sculptor...

 purplefood wrote:
It is disappointing that this same (presumably) person keeps managing to turn up to hurt people. Especially given that he is an apparently talented sculptor...

Perfect scenario would be:

Daniel Mandelbaum becomes purely a worker, no management decisions, no handling orders, no PR work, no customer interactions at all.
Somebody else manages him, regulates his workflow, accepts orders based on his workflow, sends out orders, and keeps Daniel away from any sort of business decisions and customer interactions.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. That would be a perfect scenario, AFTER he is held accountable for the people he has left high and dry either by his own volition or via a court of law.