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to the RF supporters reading this: RF sent a C&D to DakkaDakka's owner...
the offending thread was deleted...
job' a good 'un, mission accomplished...

it was later discovered that the lawer who signed, and the firm it came from, did not exist...
the C&D letter still had the intended effect of Dakka deleting the thread about RF being run by Daniel...
how is that being scammed???
RF got what they paid for...

the clue is in the title of this thread: Cease & Desist letter sent to Dakka on behalf of Resin Forge & its owner Daniel Mandelbaum...

the previous thread was to inform the community that Daniel was the owner, and had done people wrong with his previous projects...
RF said Daniel Mandelbaum was not one of the owners...
they then sent the C&D telling Dakka to take down the thread saying that Daniel Mandelbaum was the owner, which Dakka did, and to stop spreading slander and lies...
the C&D was signed by one Daniel Mandelbaum...
truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction...

cheers
jah

Well, from their recent screen caps it seems that they have some image editing software. Maybe they'll kindly put it to good use and post some HH Weekend pictures with faces obscured, or just cropped out.

What i dont understand is why is dakka continuing to nitpicket this when its already dead because the store is done and close up shop really think its over zealous and what is the point? It really makes me think 40k community low.

RF by continually attacking is the one causing this to contine. If they had closed up shop we wouldnt have anything to talk about.

RF by continually attacking is the one causing this to contine. If they had closed up shop we wouldnt have anything to talk about.

In fact this thread lay dormant for over 24 hours until RF renewed its comments this morning....

Yep. Every time he feels neglected by public attention he decides to put up a new crazy post. Attention w... orker

 Solace wrote:
What i dont understand is why is dakka continuing to nitpicket this when its already dead because the store is done and close up shop really think its over zealous and what is the point? It really makes me think 40k community low.

As a new member, with your first post, please allow me to say welcome to Dakka. I hope you'll stay around and share some images of your work and get to know the community here. I hope that'll alleviate any low feelings about the 40K community

 Solace wrote:
What i dont understand is why is dakka continuing to nitpicket this when its already dead because the store is done and close up shop really think its over zealous and what is the point? It really makes me think 40k community low.

Fully understandable to think that their store is closed, but they have made several statements over the past week or so about closing up, and yet there are just as many posts about them taking orders

what iv read so far on dakka are a bunch of people attacking them and as a business that RF is they do have the right to defend them selves from rumors or speculations.

also about closing they have to sell what they have or get stuck with the products and stores do promote online or real life as they last death throws. honestly im considering buying to see for my self if these allegations here are true.

 Solace wrote:
What i dont understand is why is dakka continuing to nitpicket this when its already dead because the store is done and close up shop really think its over zealous and what is the point? It really makes me think 40k community low.

3 things -

1st - welcome to dakka!
2nd - the store has not 'closed', they are continuing to take orders and sell on their FB page in a very risky manner to their customers. There was no logical reason for them to move transactions to PMs instead of using their storefront, it is shady as heck.
3rd - regardless of whether or not RF continues to exist or not, we will always be watching and warning others about Daniel Mandelbaum and people willingly associated with him. You can go to the first post of this thread to see multiple absolutely overwhelming, disturbing and incontrovertible examples as to why this is a perfectly reasonable course of action for any honest member of the community to engage in. If years upon years of evidence, aliases and lies do not convince you there is trouble here, then there isn't much we can say to you. I hope you do find it completely satisfactory though if you do review it.


This isn't a witch-hunt. It's neighbourhood watch. Big bloody difference.

Tallon Amaya
its interesting they said that this is a fake and was done by a pic editor program? think i read somewhere someone said it dosent matter if theirs proof or arent scammers? correct if i am wrong

No wonder he can convince people who are not even able to understand (let's not start about writing) English. @Dreadclaw, your post about editting out faces from the HH weekender post was just turned into an accusation that RF's screenshot was faked.



Do you think following DM too closely leads to his bad spelling and grammar rubbing off on the followers?

P.S.: Solace repeats the exact same lines as this other guy. What was his name again? Glasses? Shades? Sth like that. Coincidence? Btw: welcome ^^

 Solace wrote:
what iv read so far on dakka are a bunch of people attacking them and as a business that RF is they do have the right to defend them selves from rumors or speculations.

also about closing they have to sell what they have or get stuck with the products and stores do promote online or real life as they last death throws. honestly im considering buying to see for my self if these allegations here are true.

Resin Forge has had a few minor incidents. This thread is not about saying Resin Forge has been stealing. It is about saying that Resin Forge is factually and unquestionably involved with someone known to suddenly take orders, not fill them and abandon businesses.

I am in fact sure that RF would fill your order while under the current scrutiny. So by all means go ahead.

This thread and the warnings are about history indicating that they have stolen and might steal again, not that they are currently doing so. The risk is yours to take, by all means, send them your money. If you are capable of logic though, and have reviewed the history, you know that these are not 'accusastions and rumors' but documented fact for many, many items. There is some speculation at this point, sure. But the events in the past are beyond question.

If you want to convince us, or anyone, why we have no real evidence you are going to have to do much better than just saying it, because the giant pile of evidence right next to you seems to disagree. If baseless accusations are what make people the bad guys, then it is Mandelbaum, not the community that is the villain.

 Solace wrote:
what iv read so far on dakka are a bunch of people attacking them and as a business that RF is they do have the right to defend them selves from rumors or speculations.

also about closing they have to sell what they have or get stuck with the products and stores do promote online or real life as they last death throws. honestly im considering buying to see for my self if these allegations here are true.

But if you haven't ordered before, they said they will not take your order. So are you already a customer, is this a vain attempt at either bad trolling, or a fictional character based off a footwear conversion.

 Solace wrote:
honestly im considering buying to see for my self if these allegations here are true.

Welcome to dakka!

That is the worst idea ever by the way.... how can you read through this thread at length and come to that conclusion, when it may end up costing you money?

I haven't bought anything from RF, but there is too much evidence here to think that buying off them is a good idea.

There is no smoke without fire! Ariel Castro pleaded not guilty today, I don't know if the allegations about him are true either, but by the evidence presented I certainly won't be sending my daughter round to do his laundry for him!

 yakface wrote:



Naturally anyone interested in Mr. Mandelbaum and any of his alleged aliases (such as Matthew Bonder, RedStarOne, Lord.Serpius, Kellz1234, Susan Beasley) or his alleged involvement with a number of now defunct sites/businesses while using those aliases (such as Conversion Corner, Miniature Wargame Conversions, Three Stage Studios, Lord.Serpius ebay account, Great.Hobby.Bits ebay account, Double.Your.Bits ebay account) should feel free to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

And for anyone taking notes, The above linkys are the big pile of steaming evidence of past dealings.

That is the worst idea ever by the way.... how can you read through this thread at length and come to that conclusion, when it may end up costing you money?

Because no matter what you say, Solace will not change his opinion.

@Solace: Come on, go and buy, DM has some nice conversions up for grabs All yours for the taking If you are lucky you can make a killer deal! And you are pretty sure to get them very fast, as DM will do all he can to make sure he can show off another defender

Go for it, man (woman), go for it!

P.S.: Daniel, please take a screenshot to show on your page how Lex is telling peope to buy your products please

I dont recall spelling properly was a mandatory rule here or that it looks the same as to that person. Some people actually have limitations and hesitate to join anything social so they dont get ridicule but i will try my best to avoid this.

This really makes me think low of 40k community.

thank you tom.

well the site is up but i cant buy anything because their is no buy option i also PM RF about buying a product but was told they no longer selling anything to any customers.

really wanted to buy this for my Death Guard captain

http://resinforge.com/ourshop/prod_2483944-Assault-Mk4-Legion-Hand-Flamer-Pistol-Left-handed.html

it still has the price on it but as you can see their is no BUY option anywhere.

Daniel has NEVER managed to prove that he, or any of his compatriots / co owners went to the HH weekender.

My first posts on this were that, given his statement tha the would be going, I was more than certain there would be people from the TSS / RSO / MW days that would want a word. And then he banned me, after I made public conversations (which I never said I would keep private).

I even offered to buy a pint for anyone claiming to be from RF if they made themselves known to me on the Evening of the HH weekender in the bar attached to the Belfry hotel - no one did.

It was following this that the whole 'we're in all our photos' malarkey started.....

Also - nobody on here has ever mentioned MandelBonders mother in anything but sympathetic terms, except to show disgust that he *may* have used her details in lieue of his own to potentially cause mischief. At no point have I read anywhere MandelBonder referred to as a 'Norman Bates' type character. The only abuse came from a post by a 'burner' account that every one here agreed was morally reprehensible.

Over to you Daniel - nobody has managed to close down your business, you have done that. All that it would have taken was either a) proof you went to the HH Weekender or b) 'fessing up to telling a porky....
Everybody needs a second chance, but this is business 4? 5? Think you used yours up a while ago...

 Solace wrote:
I dont recall spelling properly was a mandatory rule here or that it looks the same as to that person. Some people actually have limitations and hesitate to join anything social so they dont get ridicule but i will try my best to avoid this.

Proper spelling and grammar is a part of Dakka rule 1. But we're understanding for the most part, and we understand people have dyslexia and other such difficulties with processing words.

Mattyrm thanks!

Iv just been a lurker on here for year's really and just decided to sign up.

did a search couple months ago on bits and found some posts about RF and just following really.

@Solace
Welcome to Dakka! As a fresh faced new user myself, I'd recommend you take a look at everything the site has to offer. There are really some Grade A conversions, painting tutorials, tactica discussions, and everything else you can want here on the Dakka forums. It is a wealth of information and comraderie for the gaming community.

That being said, I would like to pose you a question;
What specifically in this thread has not set off warning bells about this company for you, and what specifically are you referencing in your allegations that this thread is all just an attack against RF store?

Lets Review;
1. RF is discovered to be partly owned by one Daniel Mandelbaum, who is proven in the OP to have NUMEROUS shady dealings in the community and operating under multiple identities, which in itself should be a siren wailing in your head to begin with.
2. RF takes steps to try and reconcile their image with being associated with DM by refunding a few past customers of DM (which, imho goes a long way to redeeming the company in my eyes).
3. After restitution has been made, there are lingering doubts to who is running the RF business after RF announces DM quit. DM is known to make up fake identities, or use real identities of those who knows without them knowing to attempt to continue his activities, therefore the skepticism in this thread and on Lexicanum are imo fairly justified.
4. Dakka members and Lex communicate that the best way RF can redeem themselves would be to provide incontrovertible proof that they are A. a legitimate business operating in accordance with Texas State Law, and B. are not made up alias's of one Daniel Mandelbaum, proving RF is free and clear of the negative stigma associated with this individual. Again, I find this more than a fair and reasonable request considering that one of the remaining co-owners is proven to have been involved in a relationship with DM for quite some time, and was even admitted to in part by RF themselves.
5. RF states that they are getting their information together to get a new business registration showing DM is no longer part of the company, and acquiring other requested proof by Dakka members. Hours later RF does a complete 180, stating that they arent even going to bother to get the new registration and that they are going out of business due to continued harrasment from dakka and lex.
6. Dakka members state, don't bother getting a new business id number, just provide us your current one to prove you are a legitimate LLC operating in Texas, and that will go a LONG way to smooth things over. RF begins a huge smoke and mirrors campaign on their page to make themselves look like the victim, and ignore any civil discourse and questions posed to them in calm, collected, and logical manners (including my posts which have all been deleted, despite there being absolutley nothing derogatory or indibting in them, just asking simple direct questions)
7. RF continues to claim going out of business, but decides to take their business transactions to PM via facebook which eliminates a lot of the legitimate business practice they had in place via the webstore, casting even more doubt on their store in the eyes of the community.

These actions are highly suspect of ANY company in any consumer field. I am not saying anything about scamming, recasts, or anything of the like. My opinion is based solely upon past actions of DM, and the EXTREMELY sketchy business practices of RF (the way they conduct business is not indicative of a professional company, i am in no way saying they are scamming people or plan to do so, just that their customer service and Public Relations are simply absurd for a reputable company).

And seeing as RF constantly reads this thread but ignores anything I post on their FB page that asks real questions, I pose this statment;
-Why not just provide simple things that the community is asking for to smooth over your image? The guy you were involved with is known to have employed false identities, all people are asking for is for you to proove that you are not in fact one of these cover identities. There is no hate there, no harrasment, just simple caution in dealing with a company that was associated with a gentleman who has used a plethora of fake identities. If you are a legitimate LLC, what is so hard about providing the simple information to prove you are correctly registered in the state of Texas and operating according to state law?

Failing to answer these two fundamental questions is what is causing the massive amount of skepticism in the dakka community. If you can prove that a. you are not a cover ID for mandelbaum, and B. you are a correctly registered business, I would have absolutely no problem in ordering from you. Until then, there is just way to much doubt surrounding your company.

 Solace wrote:
I dont recall spelling properly was a mandatory rule here or that it looks the same as to that person. Some people actually have limitations and hesitate to join anything social so they dont get ridicule but i will try my best to avoid this.

This really makes me think low of 40k community.

thank you tom.

well the site is up but i cant buy anything because their is no buy option i also PM RF about buying a product but was told they no longer selling anything to any customers.

really wanted to buy this for my Death Guard captain

http://resinforge.com/ourshop/prod_2483944-Assault-Mk4-Legion-Hand-Flamer-Pistol-Left-handed.html

it still has the price on it but as you can see their is no BUY option anywhere.

When did I say anything about your spelling lol? You can not like me if you want but at least make sense about it lol. I have intentionally been quite polite with you I fail to see the need for your aggression.

Also of note, Dakka is not the whole 40k community. There are plenty of other sites and people out there. Tarring thousands upon thousands of people with the same brush for no apparent reason is the kind of thing that gets RF in trouble btw.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
When did I say anything about your spelling lol? You can not like me if you want but at least make sense about it lol. I have intentionally been quite polite with you I fail to see the need for your aggression.

Also of note, Dakka is not the whole 40k community. There are plenty of other sites and people out there. Tarring thousands upon thousands of people with the same brush for no apparent reason is the kind of thing that gets RF in trouble btw.

I believe Solace may be referring to Inquisitor S's statement about bad spelling rubbing off on followers. That post was in relation to the quoted comment in that post from Tallon Amaya. Which either means Solace is Tallon Amaya, or (and this is the most likely case) Solace just misread Inquisitor S's statement.

 Solace wrote:
what iv read so far on dakka are a bunch of people attacking them and as a business that RF is they do have the right to defend them selves from rumors or speculations.

...

They could do that very easily by publishing their business registration number.

The fact they do not makes it seem as if they are not a legally registered company. It is a legal requirement to be registered.

So they are making themselves look like a fraud.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
When did I say anything about your spelling lol? You can not like me if you want but at least make sense about it lol. I have intentionally been quite polite with you I fail to see the need for your aggression.

Also of note, Dakka is not the whole 40k community. There are plenty of other sites and people out there. Tarring thousands upon thousands of people with the same brush for no apparent reason is the kind of thing that gets RF in trouble btw.

I believe Solace may be referring to Inquisitor S's statement about bad spelling rubbing off on followers. That post was in relation to the quoted comment in that post from Tallon Amaya. Which either means Solace is Tallon Amaya, or (and this is the most likely case) Solace just misread Inquisitor S's statement.

So why the 'so thanks Tom'?? odd...

The post I was referring to was just before yours, and if Solace is browsing mobile, then avatars won't be showing up.

I dont recall spelling properly was a mandatory rule here or that it looks the same as to that person. Some people actually have limitations and hesitate to join anything social so they dont get ridicule but i will try my best to avoid this.

The spelling remark was indeed (and clearly so) pointed at Tallon Amaya. Therefore there's no reason that Solace should take offense from it. Unless he says he is Tallon. Which I do not say

He is also really obsessed with "winning". Is that a side effect of Resin dust? Or competitive playing? What did we win? A medal? More popcorn? Did everybody of DM's previous customers get their money back? No. Did he man up and admit he is DM? No. Did they come clean? No. Etc etc. Nothing won, because there was nothing to win for anybody apart from DM / RF - they had to win their legitimacy. Which they did not really do very well.



P.S.: And no matter how often he says that the others "won" and that he "closes", we all know he will be back, that he is reading this RIGHT NOW, he can't let it rest. Daniel, you need help.

 Solace wrote:

This really makes me think low of 40k community.

thank you tom.

Alf, this is the part that is confusing MajorTom

For saying hi... Which I singularly failed to do....

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Solace wrote:
what iv read so far on dakka are a bunch of people attacking them and as a business that RF is they do have the right to defend them selves from rumors or speculations.

...

They could do that very easily by publishing their business registration number.

The fact they do not makes it seem as if they are not a legally registered company. It is a legal requirement to be registered.

So they are making themselves look like a fraud.

No need to give anyone a number. Just the legal entities name to be entered into the state of Texas' Taxable Entity Search to verify that it is a legal/registered business entity would suffice for many (fyi : Resin Forge, Resin Forge Store, Resinforge and Resinforge Store do not appear in the search).

This removes the "Haha, our Tax ID number will not be given out because you could use it to steal our business identity" (which was a reason parroted after being written by a user here on Dakka). It's also something that could have been done right from the very beginning to avoid so much drama. Or, you know .. answering simple questions instead of dancing around and making excuses (and verifiable false statements).

*Edit : Of course, at this point it's all academic. Dakka/Lex have "won" and RF is crying the poor victim because of the actions of an incredibly small portion of the community (and an even smaller portion of that small community that sees these messages)! Impressive that such a small group can somehow cause "thousands" of customers to disappear (even though most of them are still saying "wait, what's going on?")

 whitedragon wrote:

 Solace wrote:

This really makes me think low of 40k community.

thank you tom.

Alf, this is the part that is confusing MajorTom

I know, that's why I mentioned that Tom's post was near the Inquisitor S post which was the ONLY post near Tom's that mention spelling. It's totally up to Solace to answer lol we're left in the dark.