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I where thinking of starting a army , now the special thing with it is that my IG and SM will be working together (thanks to the allie rule ) .
The idea i got was that i will paint my SM and IG in the same color and give them the same emblems , they will be called the gate keepers and will be having a red and black color scheme with some other colors.

Now the idea i got for them is that my army will be the defenders of a space harbor where they both build and repair military classed space ships that belongs to the imperial fleet .

Now the thing is that they fight against the Warp forces that want to take over this planets and they need to take out that harbor before they can continue with the rest of their plan.

What do you guy's think about that back story and do you got any other ideas about their back story?

It's possible I think. On the Holy Terra there is a SM chapter and there is the Terran IG IIRC. And they work together. Though I don't think the use the same emblems or paint scheme.

Usually, IIRC, the High Lords of Terra or another big VIP decide that a new Chapter needs to be created because of reason X. With that in mind, your space harbor and planet can be of ultimate importance in the defense of sector "INSERT NAME HERE", hence the creation of your chapter.

About your uniform idea: Yeah, the SM already have serfs with their emblems and colors. The Salamanders books for example, without spoiling too much, a certain attack on a Salamander space port had both SM and their serfs fighting the invaders, and the serfs have clothes with the Salamander's emblem and all that.

I like it. If you or one of your friends has the Planetstrike book, you might consider some of those scenarios as the defender.

We are actually planning a large point game with four table's and then a large terrain and some objective's on it .So i hope to have my army ready by then and the color scheme .

My friend plays as 100% chaos so he thought that it could be cool if my army where fighting against his about the gate .

I where also thinking about starting a short text thingy about the chapter and their battles .

I where also planing on making a youtube channel and post batt raps with this army , because i feel like people takes the whole Allie system to easy and they don't use it like they could , both for the fluff and for the battle's


So any thought's? would be glad for all response i get on the subject

The guard could be the chapter serfs as someone pointed out and the spaceharbor/port however you want to call it could be some ancient orbital station that is sircling around the orbit of the chapter's home planet or something and a detachment of marines is always stationed in there along with chapter serfs.

Well, the SM could potentially be the "security detachment" while the IG could be the workers, taking up arms when the threat of the Chaos comes to their spaceport. Even labourers are going to be able to defend themselves on a spaceport located in the middle of a hostile sector.

A lot of Marine chapters have more or less a personal army that has similar iconography. I know the Rynnsguard for the Crimson Fists are similar. You could write it that the Marines are more or less the guardians of a particularly troublesome sector and the IG counts-as dudes are their reserve army or a PDF regiment. Your fluff and painting ideas sound good!

So what do you guys think about their name? i mean ''The gate keepers '' sounds pretty good to me ...or do's it sound to cheesy?

The only real problem I see with "The Gatekeepers" is that it sounds too Cadian, the Cadian Gate being the most important "Gate" reference in the setting. Other than that, though, seems fine to me.

Well got any other ideas on how i can name them? i where thinking of painting their logo soon and i can't really find a good name for them . All i can come up with is 'the gatekeepers ''.

Depending upon the source of the invaders:
Rift Wardens
Scourge of the Ether
Wardens of the Dark

Those could work to .
I where thinking about giving them the name '' The guardian brotherhood "
Fluff:The guardian brotherhood where a group of IG commanders that where tasked with holding the gate of dalaran .

They where constantly attacked by four chaos armies ,they fought every day and lost huge numbers of guardsmen .
The brotherhood contacted the High commanders begging them to send the ultra marines or the inqusition ,the commanders answer where to send a ship with gen seed to dalaran , the gene seed where inplanted into the strongest warriors and the brotherhood members.

They formed the guardians brootherhood , a chapter that where going to do all they could to defend Dalaran and their chapter.

So what do you guys think??

Remember geneseed implantation is done in the early teenage years to ensure that the recipients body doesnt reject it. During the initial creation of legions however it wasnt uncommon for the older warriors of a planet to under go extensive genetic enhancements to bring them nearly to marine levels, they would however lack geneseed and other marine organs.

So they had to implant it into teenagers then?

Pretty much, you could go with the first born of each of the brotherhood council being turned over to become initiates, essentially sacraficing the next generation to ensure the system can survive. If you wanted modelling challenges you could always do up your scouts as genetically enhanced older members of the brotherhood.

Other possible names:

The Wardens
The Guardians
In Latin "Gatekeeper" is "Lanitoris" = The Lanitors
The Portal Masters (slight pun of "port")

I like this one:
Colossus Knights (Think of Colossus of Rhodes which guarded the docks)

true and then i could paint a torch on their shoulder .and i could make a bronze dreadnought ....thanks for the ideas guys i will really work on them and post the result here


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I like the idea with buying scouts and use their heads on SM tacticals .

Maybe i could give them something special like a detail..hmm maybe i could give them old Greece shields and a cloak

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I like the idea with buying scouts and use their heads on SM tacticals .

Remember Marines without helmets get a 2+ invouln due to sheer badassery I kid of course

haha yeah they should have that

 Nordicwargaming wrote:

They where constantly attacked by four chaos armies ,they fought every day and lost huge numbers of guardsmen .
The brotherhood contacted the High commanders begging them to send the ultra marines or the inqusition ,the commanders answer where to send a ship with gen seed to dalaran , the gene seed where inplanted into the strongest warriors and the brotherhood members.

They formed the guardians brootherhood , a chapter that where going to do all they could to defend Dalaran and their chapter.

It takes quite a long time for a chapter of space marines to get themselves into shape - geneseed implantation doesn't turn you into marines overnight and it has to be done while you're fairly young. You'd need to have apothecaries and marines loaned from other chapters to oversee the implantation and to train the new marines. You'd need to have armor supplied from a forgeworld. You'd need techmarines loaned to get the chapter forge producing weapons and vehicles. The apothecaries and techmarines would also need to train some of the new marines to be their replacements. It doesn't happen quickly and definitely not in an active combat theater.

It also takes a VERY long time to have the founding of a chapter authorized.

Finally, you have their home as somewhere that ships are built - that typically (but not always) means a forgeworld so it's owned by the mechanicum, not the imperium.


How about this:
You've got a space marine chapter (of more conventional founding - maybe they're relatively new, only been around for a few thousand years) and their homeworld.
The best of the planetary defense force (marine homeworlds aren't required to raise IG regiments) are permitted to use the chapter colours.
The planet also happens to be a naval base where refit and testing of classified ships is carried out.

Yeah Scott-S6 what do you think about this :

They where created somewhere around horus heresey where they needed a chapter to guard a large ship bay where military classed ships comes to refuel and to get supplies .

The city where attacked by chaos a few years ago but the IG manage to force them back.After that the Imperial council decided to start a chapter thanks to the fact that without that bay the whole outer rim would be defenseless and without any proper imperial navy that could fight the xenos and heretics .

The chapter got apothecaries and techmarines from both the Blood angels and the Dark angels to help them build up the chapter.

The chapter took their color from the blood angels and the templar look from the Dark angels .
And became a new chapter ......The Lanitors , guardians of the imperial bays of Hyrdaphur

Bad or good?

Their creation would have to be post-Heresy at least, because during the Heresy the Space Marines were still in their Legions, all of which are called for. They would be broken apart into the Chapters that we know them as after the Heresy, but at this time, the Second Founding Chapters maintain very close ties and allegiances to their Founding Chapter, mainly because the Marines in them were formerly of the parent Chapter. So, a 2nd Founding Ultramarine Successor Chapter contains a bunch of guys who used to be in the Ultramarines Legion.

A Successor Chapter, if its Founder is known, also only gets its initial wargear and training from a single Chapter. So if a Chapter is a Successor of the Dark Angels, then only Dark Angels are going to train and equip them at the beginning. Basically, the new Chapter inherits some gear and a command staff (Chapter Master, Chief Librarian, Company Captains, TechMarines, etc) from their parent Chapter, to provide them a solid core around which to build the new Chapter. As time goes on, these Marines will be replaced (through combat losses, promotions, etc.) by Marines from the new Chapter.

I would move the founding of your Chapter to something later. Maybe the Age of Apostasy in M36 or something, or shortly before/after. If you set it as before, they could have spent the duration of the Apostasy defending their interests from Xenos and Chaos while the rest of the Imperium was having a civil war.

So... I would say, first thing is to decide on who they are a Successor Chapter to, and then when they were Founded. There is nothing preventing a Chapter from departing from its Founding Chapter's look and color scheme... so if you want them to be an Ultramarine Successor Chapter, but paint their armor black and bright green, you can. The style of their armor can also change over time, so if you want to have some guys in MkIV armor and other guys in MkV, you can do that, too. SM power armor is handed down over and over again, so some of these suits could be quite old.

The Harbourmasters or Wharf Guard might be an appropriate name.

 Nordicwargaming wrote:
Yeah Scott-S6 what do you think about this :

They where created somewhere around horus heresey where they needed a chapter to guard a large ship bay where military classed ships comes to refuel and to get supplies .

The city where attacked by chaos a few years ago but the IG manage to force them back.After that the Imperial council decided to start a chapter thanks to the fact that without that bay the whole outer rim would be defenseless and without any proper imperial navy that could fight the xenos and heretics .

The chapter got apothecaries and techmarines from both the Blood angels and the Dark angels to help them build up the chapter.

The chapter took their color from the blood angels and the templar look from the Dark angels .
And became a new chapter ......The Lanitors , guardians of the imperial bays of Hyrdaphur

Bad or good?

No Dark Angels. All the descendants chapters of the Dark Angels have the "Fallen" shenanigans: The new Chapter's CM is taught by the DA CM about the Fallen, their history, their mission, the descendants have secret meetings with the DA, and other very complicated stuff.
Not to mention IF that space port of yours was attacked and IF at the same time there was a rumour of a Fallen in the system next door, your "guardians" would pack up and leave. "SCREW OUR SACRED MISSION, there's a 50 years old rumour of a Fallen right next door!"

All i want is a chapter that where built to guard a Imperial navy fleet base , i want them to look like Dark angels because their Templar look is freaking awesome .

I where also thinking about splitting them into a ''Naval'' part with more infantry then machines , and then i will have the brotherhood part with power weapons and machines like dreadnoughts and thunderhawks .

please post you thought here if you guys got any better ideas .

because all i can come up with is The Lanitors chapter and their background

Nothing saying you can't use those minis, you don't need to have a tie to the DA in fluff to have a thematically-similar appearance on the table.

They'd have to be a good bit post-heresy. All of the immediately post-heresy (1st founding) chapters were made directly from the original legions (just by breaking them up).

The second founding is pretty well documented.

Third founding and later are up for grabs.

The vast majority of chapters from that point on are based on Ultramarine or Imperial Fist geneseed.

Given your chapter's role as defenders of this important facility, Imperial Fist would seem to be the most sensible.

Considering the duty these guys are doing:

Guard duty, not going out and attacking the enemy, you could read some of the Iron Warrior fluff. The idea of stubborn, masters of fortification, some flyers for interception, all the things that make sense of holding the facility at all costs.

Imperial Fists might be a better influence, what with being Loyal and all. Both Legions specialized in siege warfare, but I always thought of the IW as being slightly more about cracking fortifications and the Fists as being more about guarding them.