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I can understand not wanting to give the impression of meddling in an ongoing investigation, especially when the facts are being established, but this snippet;
The White House's chief lawyer was told in the middle of April that an audit of the IRS would show IRS employees inappropriately targeted conservative groups.

really makes it sound like the investigation had already concluded, the facts had been established and that conclusions had been drawn- if just not compiled in a formal report.


 
   
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WH counsel more than likely avoids contact with the president and cabinet to minimize liability should there be a scandal.
   
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 Rented Tritium wrote:
WH counsel more than likely avoids contact with the president and cabinet to minimize liability should there be a scandal.

Well... at least the Chief of Staff should've been notified. That's sort of his job.

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The plot thickens,

Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter

The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department, and seizing two days of Rosen’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported on Monday.

In a chilling move sure to rile defenders of civil liberties, an FBI agent also accused Rosen of breaking the law with behavior that—at least as described—falls inside the bounds of traditional news reporting. (Disclosure: This reporter counts Rosen among his friends.)

The revelations surfaced with President Barack Obama’s administration already under fire for seizing two months of telephone records of reporters and editors at the Associated Press. Obama last week said he makes “no apologies” for investigations into national security-related leaks. The AP's CEO, Gray Pruitt, said Sunday that the seizure was "unconstitutional."

The Obama administration has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.

“The president is a strong defender of the First Amendment and a firm believer in the need for the press to be unfettered in its ability to conduct investigative reporting and facilitate a free flow of information,” White House press secretary Jay Carney insisted last week. “He also, of course, recognizes the need for the Justice Department to investigate alleged criminal activity without undue influence.”

The details of the government's strategy against Rosen sound like something out of a spy novel.

Investigators looking into disclosures of sensitive information about North Korea got Rosen’s telephone records and a warrant for his personal emails but also used his State Department security badge to track his movements in and out of that building, the Post reported, citing court documents.

The case began when Rosen reported on June 11, 2009, that U.S. intelligence believed North Korea might respond to tighter United Nations sanctions with new nuclear tests. Rosen reported that the information came from CIA sources inside the hermetic Stalinist state.

Investigators zeroed in on State Department arms expert Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, who was among a small group of intelligence officials to receive a top-secret report on the issue the same day that Rosen's piece ran online.

But FBI agent Reginald Reyes wrote that there was evidence Rosen had broken the law, “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator,” the Post said.

Here is how the Post described Reyes' report:

Using italics for emphasis, Reyes explained how Rosen allegedly used a “covert communications plan” and quoted from an e-mail exchange between Rosen and Kim that seems to describe a secret system for passing along information.

In the exchange, Rosen used the alias “Leo” to address Kim and called himself “Alex,” an apparent reference to Alexander Butterfield, the man best known for running the secret recording system in the Nixon White House, according to the affidavit.

Rosen instructed Kim to send him coded signals on his Google account, according to a quote from his e-mail in the affidavit: “One asterisk means to contact them, or that previously suggested plans for communication are to proceed as agreed; two asterisks means the opposite.”

He also wrote, according to the affidavit: “What I am interested in, as you might expect, is breaking news ahead of my competitors” including “what intelligence is picking up.” And: “I’d love to see some internal State Department analyses.”

The communications system is a bit cloak-and-dagger, but it's not clear from the Washington Post report whether Rosen did anything outside the bounds of traditional reporting. People who know Rosen will smile at the Butterfield reference: The tenacious Fox News reporter is known as a Beatles fanatic, Tom Wolfe devotee and Watergate obsessive.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html

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Don't we have a separate thread for the press investigations?

Or are we consolidating into one big "anything we can try to pin on Obama" thread?
   
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I didn't see a thread for press investigations.

I think it still qualifies for this thread as it is a conservative reporter being targeted.

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Looks like it fell off page 1 today:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/526879.page

Considering that a lot of AP reporters were targeted it might be a pretty big stretch to argue that the Fox News reporter was targeted only because he was a Fox News reporter.

Still not IRS related.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
I didn't see a thread for press investigations.

I think it still qualifies for this thread as it is a conservative reporter being targeted.

Meh... there's a warrant for that investigation.

Not sure if this pings the "outrage" meter.


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Indeed, but as part of a larger trend it is something to consider.

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It's only a trend if you willfully ignore that the AP was also targeted.
   
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Your statement doesn't make sense. It fits the trend of active pursuits of leakers in this administration.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Your statement doesn't make sense. It fits the trend of active pursuits of leakers in this administration.


Please keep up with the conversation then.

He makes the argument that the Fox News guy being targeted belongs in the IRS thread because it shows a trend of conservatives being targeted and being singled out.

I told him that the Fox News guy being a trend of being mean to conservatives only makes sense if you ignore the AP event.

Which is why I continue to say that the Fox News reporter story has no place in this thread and has nothing to do with the IRS event and should be included in the AP thread where it would actually be relevant.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Your statement doesn't make sense. It fits the trend of active pursuits of leakers in this administration.


Please keep up with the conversation then.

He makes the argument that the Fox News guy being targeted belongs in the IRS thread because it shows a trend of conservatives being targeted and being singled out.

I told him that the Fox News guy being a trend of being mean to conservatives only makes sense if you ignore the AP event.

Which is why I continue to say that the Fox News reporter story has no place in this thread and has nothing to do with the IRS event and should be included in the AP thread where it would actually be relevant.


No its the same. The administration is going after people who disagree with them.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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So we can close the AP thread then?

Since this is now the consolidated "try to pin whatever we can on Obama" thread?
   
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No thats the second door down the hall. This room is 'verbal abuse."

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Nice avoidance. So any good reason why "government spied on reporter" shouldn't go into the "government spied on reporters" thread?
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Nice avoidance. So any good reason why "government spied on reporter" shouldn't go into the "government spied on reporters" thread?


I'd be ok with that. Wait! Did the reporter get audited?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
I'd be ok with that. Wait! Did the reporter get audited?

I don't know, it didn't say if he was protesting Planned Parenthood

 
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Nice avoidance. So any good reason why "government spied on reporter" shouldn't go into the "government spied on reporters" thread?

I'll update that thread with new info...

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I don't get all the talk about 'did he know at this date or at that date?' stuff.

That bit actually is a lot like the Benghazi noise to me, whether he knew in one month or the next he couldn't have changed anything about what happened. As far as complaints about government poor practice go "we should have been told a month ago" sounds, to me, to be frankly weak as gak.

And it is, basically, Republicans trying to find some way to connect this scandal to the president, and so far it feels very contrived (it might not end up contrived, of course, there's a long way to go in this thing). But right now the real substance of this is the overtly partisan politics undertaken by civil servants, and the strangely permissive management that uncovered it and then took no real action beyond 'stop it'... after which the employees somewhat predictably went back to doing the same thing.

The issue, so far, is really just about the actions of bureaucrats within the Federal government. But Washington is a political town, and the only wins are political wins. And that means endless speculation on how the President might be tarred attached to this.

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 sebster wrote:

The issue, so far, is really just about the actions of bureaucrats within the Federal government. But Washington is a political town, and the only wins are political wins. And that means endless speculation on how the President might be tarred attached to this.

I think it's because the administration is trying to deflect... or, it's appearance.

So... yea, what you just said is the name of the game in DC. It's always been that way...

I'd rather just keep the focus on the IRS and allow Congress to perform it's oversight duties.

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Wasn't there some sort of bull$%&# campaign promise about this being "the most transparent administration"?

Oh, well throw that one on the pile...

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And the stories keep on coming... drip, drip, drip:
Catherine Engelbrecht’s tale has all the markings of a classic conspiracy theory: She says she thinks that because of her peaceful political activity, she and her family was targeted for scrutiny by hostile federal agencies.

Yet as news emerges that the Internal Revenue Service wielded its power to obstruct conservative groups, Catherine’s story becomes credible — and chilling. It also raises questions about whether other federal agencies have used their executive powers to target those deemed political enemies.

Before the Engelbrecht family’s three-year ordeal began, Catherine says, “I had no real expectation or preparation for the blood sport that American politics is.” Sounding weary on the phone, she continues: “It’s all been a through-the-looking-glass experience.”
Cleta Mitchell, a lawyer who specializes in representing conservative organizations, says that the Engelbrecht family’s experience is “just the tip of the iceberg. . . . I think there’s definitely a Chicago-politics-style enemies list in this administration, and I think it permeates this branch of the federal government.”

The Engelbrechts were not, until recently, particularly political. They had been busy running a tiny manufacturing plant in Rosenberg, Texas. After years of working for others, Bryan, a trained machinist, wanted to open his own shop, so he saved his earnings, bought a computerized numerical-control machine, which does precision metal-cutting, and began operating out of his garage. “That was about 20 years ago,” he says. “Now, we’re up to about 30 employees.”

For two decades, Bryan and Catherine drove to work in their big truck. Engelbrecht Manufacturing Inc. now operates out of a 20,000-square-foot metal building on the prairie just outside of Houston, where a “semi-pet coyote lives in the field just behind us,” Bryan says. They went back to their country home each night. Stress was rare, and life was good.

But the 2008 elections left Catherine feeling frustrated about the debates, which seemed to be a string of superficial talking points. So she began attending tea-party meetings, enjoying the political discussion. A spunky woman known for her drive, Catherine soon wanted to do more than just talk. She joined other tea partiers and decided to volunteer at the ballot box. Working as an alternate judge at the polls in 2009 in Fort Bend County, Texas, Catherine says, she was appalled and dismayed to witness everything from administrative snafus to outright voter fraud.

These formative experiences prompted her to found two organizations: King Street Patriots, a local community group that hosts weekly discussions on personal and economic freedoms; and True the Vote, which seeks to prevent voter fraud and trains volunteers to work as election monitors. It also registers voters, attempts to validate voter-registration lists, and pursues fraud reports to push for prosecution if illegal activity has occurred.

Bryan says that when his wife began focusing on politics, working less often at the manufacturing shop, “I told her, ‘You have my undying support.’” He pauses, then adds in his thick Texan drawl: “Little did I know she’d take it this far!”

In July 2010, Catherine filed with the IRS seeking tax-exempt status for her organizations. Shortly after, the troubles began.

That winter, the Federal Bureau of Investigation came knocking with questions about a person who had attended a King Street Patriots event once. Based on sign-in sheets, the organization discovered that the individual in question had attended an event, but “it was a come-and-go thing,” and they had no further information on hand about him. Nevertheless, the FBI also made inquiries about the person to the office manager, who was a volunteer.

The King Street Patriots weren’t the only ones under scrutiny. On January 11, the IRS visited the Engelbrechts’ shop and conducted an on-site audit of both their business and their personal returns, Catherine says.

What struck us as odd about that,” she adds,“is the lengths to which the auditor went to try to — it seemed like — to try to find some error. . . . She wanted to go out and see [our] farm, she wanted to count the cattle, she wanted to look at the fence line. It was a very curious three days. She was as kind as she could be, and she was doing her job . . . [but] it was strange.”

Bryan adds: “It was kind of funny to us. I mean, we weren’t laughing that much, but we knew we were squeaky clean. Our CPA’s a good guy. And who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor: I got a little bit of a refund.”

Two months later, the IRS initiated the first round of questions for True the Vote. Catherine painstakingly answered them, knowing that nonprofit status would help with the organization’s credibility, donors, and grant applications. In October, the IRS requested additional information. And whenever Catherine followed up with IRS agents about the status of True the Vote’s application, “there was always a delay that our application was going to be up next, and it was just around the corner,” she says,
As this was occurring, the FBI continued to phone King Street Patriots. In May 2011, agents phoned wondering “how they were doing.” The FBI made further inquiries in June, November, and December asking whether there was anything to report.

The situation escalated in 2012. That February, True the Vote received a third request for information from the IRS, which also sent its first questionnaire to King Street Patriots. Catherine says the IRS had “hundreds of questions — hundreds and hundreds of questions.” The IRS requested every Facebook post and Tweet she had ever written. She received questions about her family, whether she’d ever run for political office, and which organizations she had spoken to.

“It’s no great secret that the IRS is considered to be one of the more serious [federal agencies],” Catherine says. “When you get a call from the IRS, you don’t take it lightly. So when you’re asked questions that seem to imply a sense of disapproval, it has a very chilling effect.”

On the same day they received the questions from the IRS, Catherine says, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) launched an unscheduled audit of their machine shop, forcing the Engelbrechts to drop everything planned for that day. Though the Engelbrechts have a Class 7 license, which allows them to make component parts for guns, they do not manufacture firearms. Catherine said that while the ATF had a right to conduct the audit, “it was odd that they did it completely unannounced, and they took five, six hours. . . . It was so extensive. It just felt kind of weird.”

That was in February. In July, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration paid a visit to Engelbrecht Manufacturing while Bryan, Catherine, and their children were out of town. The OSHA inspector talked with the managerial staff and employees, inspecting the premises minutely. But Bryan says the agent found only “little Mickey Mouse stuff, like, ‘You have safety glasses on, but not the right kind; the forklift has a seatbelt, but not the right kind.’” Yet Catherine and Bryan said the OSHA inspector complimented them on their tightly run shop and said she didn’t know why she had been sent to examine it.

Not long after, the tab arrived. OSHA was imposing $25,000 in fines on Engelbrecht Manufacturing. They eventually worked it down to $17,500, and Bryan says they may have tried to contest the fines to drive them even lower, but “we didn’t want to make any more waves, because we don’t know [how much further] OSHA could reach.”

“Bottom line is, it hurt,” he says. Fifteen thousand dollars is “not an insignificant amount to this company. It might be to other companies, but we’re still considered small, and it came at a time when business was slow, so instead of giving an employee a raise or potentially hiring another employee, I’m writing a check to our government.”

A few months later, True the Vote became the subject of congressional scrutiny. In September, Senator Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) wrote to Thomas Perez, then the assistant attorney general of the civil rights division at the Department of Justice (who has now been nominated for labor secretary). “As you know, an organization called ‘True the Vote,’ which is an offshoot of the Tea Party, is leading a voter suppression campaign in many states,” Boxer wrote, adding that “this type of intimidation must stop. I don’t believe this is ‘True the Vote.’ I believe it’s ‘Stop the Vote.’”

And in October, Representative Elijah Cummings (D., Md.), the ranking minority member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, attacked True the Vote in a letter. He wrote that “some have suggested that your true goal is not voter integrity, but voter suppression against thousands of legitimate voters who traditionally vote for Democratic candidates.” He added that: “If these efforts are intentional, politically motivated, and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.” He also decried True the Vote on MSNBC and CNN.

Catherine now says that she “absolutely” thinks that because she worked against voter fraud, the Left was irked and decided to target her.
The next month, in November 2012, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the state’s environmental agency, showed up for an unscheduled audit at Engelbrecht Manufacturing. Catherine says the inspector told her the agency had received a complaint but couldn’t provide any more details. After the inspection, the agency notified the Engelbrechts that they needed to pay for an additional mechanical permit, which cost about $2,000 per year.

Since then, the IRS has sent two further rounds of questions to Catherine for her organizations. And last month, the ATF conducted a second unscheduled audit at Engelbrecht Manufacturing.

Catherine says she still hasn’t received IRS approval for her nonprofits, though she filed nearly three years ago. And “the way all of these personal instances interweave with what was going on on the nonprofit side . . . it amounts to something. You can’t help but think that statistically, this has to be coordinated on some level.”

On behalf of the True the Vote and King Street Patriots, Representative Ted Poe (R., Texas) sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the FBI, OSHA, and the ATF, inquiring whether the organizations were under criminal investigation. A statement on Poe’s website states that “the reply from these agencies was that none of these individuals were under criminal investigation. Well, if they’re not, why are they being treated like criminals? Just because they question government.”

Catherine says she knows of at least one other group that received government inquiries about its relationship with True the Vote, and she suspects more did, too. And other Tea Party groups decided not to form nonprofits at all after learning about her experience, she says. “They were scared,” she explains, “and you shouldn’t be scared of your government.”

Meanwhile, Catherine says the harassment has forced her to seriously reconsider whether her political activity is worth the government harassment she’s faced.

“I left a thriving family business with my husband that I loved, to do something I didn’t necessarily love, but [which] I thought had to be done,” she says. “But I really think if we don’t do this, if we don’t stand up and speak now, there might not [always] be that chance.”

Her husband offers an additional observation: “If you knew my wife, you’d know she doesn’t back down from anybody. They picked on the wrong person when they started picking on her.”


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 whembly wrote:
I think it's because the administration is trying to deflect... or, it's appearance.

So... yea, what you just said is the name of the game in DC. It's always been that way...


Yeah, its always been that way. Just worth mentioning it, in the hope that the more people notice it, the more they'll get sick of it, and maybe some point down the line it might get a little worse, and good governance will become more important than scoring a win over the other side.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Wasn't there some sort of bull$%&# campaign promise about this being "the most transparent administration"?


Yeah, that got picked up a lot during Obama's first time. Lots of promises about FOI and other things that weren't just ignored, but the administration headed in the exact opposite direction.

It happens a lot, all around the world, and it seems like every time you hear lots of nice, positive claims about how they'll work to make their government transperat they end up doing the exact opposite when they're in power.

Funny thing is, it isn't as though transperancy is a losing battle. We've seen great strides forward in transperancy in the last generation, it's just that it never comes from the government's that make a lot of noise about how transparent they're going to be. I suspect this might be because talk about transperancy often comes from fairly politically naive politicians, who think all you have to do is just want transparency, and there'll never be any bureaucrat or politically powerful other party who'd fight you on releasing documents. Those folk, being politically naive, end up losing those battles, or never even realising there was a battle at all.

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Saw this on my trittah feed:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-white-houses-shifting-irs-account-91638.html#.UZrPZwHHPpI.twitter
“Monday’s revelation amounts to the fifth iteration of the Obama administration’s account of events, after initially saying that the White House had first learned of the controversy from the press. Republicans said they were on the lookout for the next installment in the White House’s ever-shifting narrative.”

Well... at least they didn't blame this on a youtube video... yet...

Seriously though...if the White House chief of staff Denis McDonough had been informed about this a month ago... why hasn't he let his boss know about this? This is the sort of information the President ought to know. If he's not doing that... then why is he the Chief of Staff?

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Well......I say for one positive thing....this was not a good ten days for Obama...Jay Carney....espacially for Jay Carney...

So what do we have
1. AP bent over by the DoJ
2. Fox reporter bent over by the DoJ (Just ONE and its major news compare to AP)
3. Benghazi (Pentagon might as well release what units, assets, and time line of them all if giving the "Go" command)
4. State Department watering down the talking points to "piss poor"
5. Republicans apoligizing to Rice (need to) for literally defaming her for reading the final 12th piss poor report
6. IRS literally goat roping the tax exemption process
7. IRS in goat roping rodeo mode for not giving a freaking hard date of when this actually started nor who knew at what time
8. Acting IRS Commisioner(?) resigning with just one month left to go on assignement....self infected wound there
9. Kerry need to STFU about Benghazi and come to the conclusion he walked into a Soup Sandwich and "quietly" clean house
10. Obama should not have mention he just learned about the IRS through the media....now it sounds like he made a soup sandwich
11. Hillary Clinton staying out of the Benghazi issue....believe Obama knows if he points at her that he's going to lose his fingers at the neck
12. Holder needs to go....seriously needs to go.....since he is the final approval for subpeonas for the AP investigation. Nicely play I must admit to delegate it to his 2nd
13. Jay Carney tap dancing the reporters...best one yet was he actually tried to tell the press that Obama called it right that Benghazi was a terrorist attack


Upcoming in our near future of endless mind numbing WTF is going will be...
1. Implementation of Obamacare....republicans boycotting the selection process of the medical board...states not implementing Obamacare...includes democrat states to
2. Gang of Eight immigration reform......not going to happen....those chuckleheads added some goodies for their states. UCIS might actually do the ICE route and take them to court
3. Withdraw from Afghanistan....SOFA agreement not going to be reached...we pull out all troops....you all would not believe how much we are going to leave behind
4. Syria....damn if we do....damn if we don't.....arm the rebels......I perfer not to.

My upcoming future
1. Four treatments left and looking at 85% for total remission
2. Retirement in July.......I hope
3. Finish painting Dakka Chaos Warband....so far have Alpha Legion...Night Lords...Word Bearers...World Eaters....Thousand Sons...Iron Warriors in this mix
4. About to start customization on mini's...
5. Wife wants to drop a 8 cylinder into my 4 cylinder Mistibishi Spyder....(just arrived from storage...almost four years of storage)

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The Great State of Texas

 whembly wrote:
And the stories keep on coming... drip, drip, drip:
Spoiler:

Catherine Engelbrecht’s tale has all the markings of a classic conspiracy theory: She says she thinks that because of her peaceful political activity, she and her family was targeted for scrutiny by hostile federal agencies.

Yet as news emerges that the Internal Revenue Service wielded its power to obstruct conservative groups, Catherine’s story becomes credible — and chilling. It also raises questions about whether other federal agencies have used their executive powers to target those deemed political enemies.

Before the Engelbrecht family’s three-year ordeal began, Catherine says, “I had no real expectation or preparation for the blood sport that American politics is.” Sounding weary on the phone, she continues: “It’s all been a through-the-looking-glass experience.”
Cleta Mitchell, a lawyer who specializes in representing conservative organizations, says that the Engelbrecht family’s experience is “just the tip of the iceberg. . . . I think there’s definitely a Chicago-politics-style enemies list in this administration, and I think it permeates this branch of the federal government.”

The Engelbrechts were not, until recently, particularly political. They had been busy running a tiny manufacturing plant in Rosenberg, Texas. After years of working for others, Bryan, a trained machinist, wanted to open his own shop, so he saved his earnings, bought a computerized numerical-control machine, which does precision metal-cutting, and began operating out of his garage. “That was about 20 years ago,” he says. “Now, we’re up to about 30 employees.”

For two decades, Bryan and Catherine drove to work in their big truck. Engelbrecht Manufacturing Inc. now operates out of a 20,000-square-foot metal building on the prairie just outside of Houston, where a “semi-pet coyote lives in the field just behind us,” Bryan says. They went back to their country home each night. Stress was rare, and life was good.

But the 2008 elections left Catherine feeling frustrated about the debates, which seemed to be a string of superficial talking points. So she began attending tea-party meetings, enjoying the political discussion. A spunky woman known for her drive, Catherine soon wanted to do more than just talk. She joined other tea partiers and decided to volunteer at the ballot box. Working as an alternate judge at the polls in 2009 in Fort Bend County, Texas, Catherine says, she was appalled and dismayed to witness everything from administrative snafus to outright voter fraud.

These formative experiences prompted her to found two organizations: King Street Patriots, a local community group that hosts weekly discussions on personal and economic freedoms; and True the Vote, which seeks to prevent voter fraud and trains volunteers to work as election monitors. It also registers voters, attempts to validate voter-registration lists, and pursues fraud reports to push for prosecution if illegal activity has occurred.

Bryan says that when his wife began focusing on politics, working less often at the manufacturing shop, “I told her, ‘You have my undying support.’” He pauses, then adds in his thick Texan drawl: “Little did I know she’d take it this far!”

In July 2010, Catherine filed with the IRS seeking tax-exempt status for her organizations. Shortly after, the troubles began.

That winter, the Federal Bureau of Investigation came knocking with questions about a person who had attended a King Street Patriots event once. Based on sign-in sheets, the organization discovered that the individual in question had attended an event, but “it was a come-and-go thing,” and they had no further information on hand about him. Nevertheless, the FBI also made inquiries about the person to the office manager, who was a volunteer.

The King Street Patriots weren’t the only ones under scrutiny. On January 11, the IRS visited the Engelbrechts’ shop and conducted an on-site audit of both their business and their personal returns, Catherine says.

What struck us as odd about that,” she adds,“is the lengths to which the auditor went to try to — it seemed like — to try to find some error. . . . She wanted to go out and see [our] farm, she wanted to count the cattle, she wanted to look at the fence line. It was a very curious three days. She was as kind as she could be, and she was doing her job . . . [but] it was strange.”

Bryan adds: “It was kind of funny to us. I mean, we weren’t laughing that much, but we knew we were squeaky clean. Our CPA’s a good guy. And who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor: I got a little bit of a refund.”

Two months later, the IRS initiated the first round of questions for True the Vote. Catherine painstakingly answered them, knowing that nonprofit status would help with the organization’s credibility, donors, and grant applications. In October, the IRS requested additional information. And whenever Catherine followed up with IRS agents about the status of True the Vote’s application, “there was always a delay that our application was going to be up next, and it was just around the corner,” she says,
As this was occurring, the FBI continued to phone King Street Patriots. In May 2011, agents phoned wondering “how they were doing.” The FBI made further inquiries in June, November, and December asking whether there was anything to report.

The situation escalated in 2012. That February, True the Vote received a third request for information from the IRS, which also sent its first questionnaire to King Street Patriots. Catherine says the IRS had “hundreds of questions — hundreds and hundreds of questions.” The IRS requested every Facebook post and Tweet she had ever written. She received questions about her family, whether she’d ever run for political office, and which organizations she had spoken to.

“It’s no great secret that the IRS is considered to be one of the more serious [federal agencies],” Catherine says. “When you get a call from the IRS, you don’t take it lightly. So when you’re asked questions that seem to imply a sense of disapproval, it has a very chilling effect.”

On the same day they received the questions from the IRS, Catherine says, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) launched an unscheduled audit of their machine shop, forcing the Engelbrechts to drop everything planned for that day. Though the Engelbrechts have a Class 7 license, which allows them to make component parts for guns, they do not manufacture firearms. Catherine said that while the ATF had a right to conduct the audit, “it was odd that they did it completely unannounced, and they took five, six hours. . . . It was so extensive. It just felt kind of weird.”

That was in February. In July, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration paid a visit to Engelbrecht Manufacturing while Bryan, Catherine, and their children were out of town. The OSHA inspector talked with the managerial staff and employees, inspecting the premises minutely. But Bryan says the agent found only “little Mickey Mouse stuff, like, ‘You have safety glasses on, but not the right kind; the forklift has a seatbelt, but not the right kind.’” Yet Catherine and Bryan said the OSHA inspector complimented them on their tightly run shop and said she didn’t know why she had been sent to examine it.

Not long after, the tab arrived. OSHA was imposing $25,000 in fines on Engelbrecht Manufacturing. They eventually worked it down to $17,500, and Bryan says they may have tried to contest the fines to drive them even lower, but “we didn’t want to make any more waves, because we don’t know [how much further] OSHA could reach.”

“Bottom line is, it hurt,” he says. Fifteen thousand dollars is “not an insignificant amount to this company. It might be to other companies, but we’re still considered small, and it came at a time when business was slow, so instead of giving an employee a raise or potentially hiring another employee, I’m writing a check to our government.”

A few months later, True the Vote became the subject of congressional scrutiny. In September, Senator Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) wrote to Thomas Perez, then the assistant attorney general of the civil rights division at the Department of Justice (who has now been nominated for labor secretary). “As you know, an organization called ‘True the Vote,’ which is an offshoot of the Tea Party, is leading a voter suppression campaign in many states,” Boxer wrote, adding that “this type of intimidation must stop. I don’t believe this is ‘True the Vote.’ I believe it’s ‘Stop the Vote.’”

And in October, Representative Elijah Cummings (D., Md.), the ranking minority member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, attacked True the Vote in a letter. He wrote that “some have suggested that your true goal is not voter integrity, but voter suppression against thousands of legitimate voters who traditionally vote for Democratic candidates.” He added that: “If these efforts are intentional, politically motivated, and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.” He also decried True the Vote on MSNBC and CNN.

Catherine now says that she “absolutely” thinks that because she worked against voter fraud, the Left was irked and decided to target her.
The next month, in November 2012, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the state’s environmental agency, showed up for an unscheduled audit at Engelbrecht Manufacturing. Catherine says the inspector told her the agency had received a complaint but couldn’t provide any more details. After the inspection, the agency notified the Engelbrechts that they needed to pay for an additional mechanical permit, which cost about $2,000 per year.

Since then, the IRS has sent two further rounds of questions to Catherine for her organizations. And last month, the ATF conducted a second unscheduled audit at Engelbrecht Manufacturing.

Catherine says she still hasn’t received IRS approval for her nonprofits, though she filed nearly three years ago. And “the way all of these personal instances interweave with what was going on on the nonprofit side . . . it amounts to something. You can’t help but think that statistically, this has to be coordinated on some level.”

On behalf of the True the Vote and King Street Patriots, Representative Ted Poe (R., Texas) sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the FBI, OSHA, and the ATF, inquiring whether the organizations were under criminal investigation. A statement on Poe’s website states that “the reply from these agencies was that none of these individuals were under criminal investigation. Well, if they’re not, why are they being treated like criminals? Just because they question government.”

Catherine says she knows of at least one other group that received government inquiries about its relationship with True the Vote, and she suspects more did, too. And other Tea Party groups decided not to form nonprofits at all after learning about her experience, she says. “They were scared,” she explains, “and you shouldn’t be scared of your government.”

Meanwhile, Catherine says the harassment has forced her to seriously reconsider whether her political activity is worth the government harassment she’s faced.

“I left a thriving family business with my husband that I loved, to do something I didn’t necessarily love, but [which] I thought had to be done,” she says. “But I really think if we don’t do this, if we don’t stand up and speak now, there might not [always] be that chance.”

Her husband offers an additional observation: “If you knew my wife, you’d know she doesn’t back down from anybody. They picked on the wrong person when they started picking on her.”


Yea thats appears pretty coordinated.
I used to get my hair cut in Rosemberg by an old guy who barely spoke English in a genuine barber shop replete with barber pole etc. Good memories there.


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 whembly wrote:
Saw this on my trittah feed:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-white-houses-shifting-irs-account-91638.html#.UZrPZwHHPpI.twitter
“Monday’s revelation amounts to the fifth iteration of the Obama administration’s account of events, after initially saying that the White House had first learned of the controversy from the press. Republicans said they were on the lookout for the next installment in the White House’s ever-shifting narrative.”

Well... at least they didn't blame this on a youtube video... yet...

Seriously though...if the White House chief of staff Denis McDonough had been informed about this a month ago... why hasn't he let his boss know about this? This is the sort of information the President ought to know. If he's not doing that... then why is he the Chief of Staff?



More importatnly, why hasn't the White House actually performed its primary function of managing the IRS? Where are the meetings with IRS directors, the reports, the terminations of employees?

Again, to date, no punitive action has been taken (I dismiss the guy resigning now who was already leaving in June as discipline). Still no executive oversight has been perfomed.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Well......I say for one positive thing....this was not a good ten days for Obama...Jay Carney....espacially for Jay Carney...

So what do we have
1. AP bent over by the DoJ
2. Fox reporter bent over by the DoJ (Just ONE and its major news compare to AP)
3. Benghazi (Pentagon might as well release what units, assets, and time line of them all if giving the "Go" command)
4. State Department watering down the talking points to "piss poor"
5. Republicans apoligizing to Rice (need to) for literally defaming her for reading the final 12th piss poor report
6. IRS literally goat roping the tax exemption process
7. IRS in goat roping rodeo mode for not giving a freaking hard date of when this actually started nor who knew at what time
8. Acting IRS Commisioner(?) resigning with just one month left to go on assignement....self infected wound there
9. Kerry need to STFU about Benghazi and come to the conclusion he walked into a Soup Sandwich and "quietly" clean house
10. Obama should not have mention he just learned about the IRS through the media....now it sounds like he made a soup sandwich
11. Hillary Clinton staying out of the Benghazi issue....believe Obama knows if he points at her that he's going to lose his fingers at the neck
12. Holder needs to go....seriously needs to go.....since he is the final approval for subpeonas for the AP investigation. Nicely play I must admit to delegate it to his 2nd
13. Jay Carney tap dancing the reporters...best one yet was he actually tried to tell the press that Obama called it right that Benghazi was a terrorist attack


Upcoming in our near future of endless mind numbing WTF is going will be...
1. Implementation of Obamacare....republicans boycotting the selection process of the medical board...states not implementing Obamacare...includes democrat states to
2. Gang of Eight immigration reform......not going to happen....those chuckleheads added some goodies for their states. UCIS might actually do the ICE route and take them to court
3. Withdraw from Afghanistan....SOFA agreement not going to be reached...we pull out all troops....you all would not believe how much we are going to leave behind
4. Syria....damn if we do....damn if we don't.....arm the rebels......I perfer not to.

My upcoming future
1. Four treatments left and looking at 85% for total remission
2. Retirement in July.......I hope
3. Finish painting Dakka Chaos Warband....so far have Alpha Legion...Night Lords...Word Bearers...World Eaters....Thousand Sons...Iron Warriors in this mix
4. About to start customization on mini's...
5. Wife wants to drop a 8 cylinder into my 4 cylinder Mistibishi Spyder....(just arrived from storage...almost four years of storage)


Here's to being in the 85%!
The wife wants to get matching Honda rebels and start riding next month. I've had to push that off until post Tbone. But dude, girl wants to put on the leathers and ride.
Oooh! Idea for a breathday present!

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 whembly wrote:
Well... at least the Chief of Staff should've been notified. That's sort of his job.

It seems that he was, back in April

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22604039
Senior White House aides were informed last month of an inquiry into the US tax agency's targeting of conservative political groups, an official has said.

President Barack Obama himself was not informed, spokesman Jay Carney said.

Officials at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) have apologised for mistakes ahead of the 2012 election but say there was no political motivation.

Republicans have sought to use the matter to discredit the president just months into his second term in office.

On Monday, Mr Carney said that Mr Obama's chief of staff Denis McDonough was informed in April of an investigation under way by the treasury department's inspector general.

The revelation expands the circle of Obama aides who were made aware of the IRS affair before it was first widely reported on 10 May.

Mr Carney said Mr McDonough "appropriately" decided not to tell the president because while the inquiry's broad findings were known, they were subject to change as it remained ongoing.

And Mr Carney said the White House took no action to intervene in the investigation.

"The cardinal rule... is that you do not intervene in an independent investigation, and you do not do anything that would... give such an appearance, particularly when the final conclusions have not been reached," he said on Monday.

Mr Carney said last week that the top White House lawyer, Kathy Ruemmler, was informed that the inspector general's investigation was under way in April, but he did not mention that more senior officials such as Mr McDonough knew.

Heavy workload
In 2010-12, the IRS was inundated with new applications from groups seeking tax-exempt status, after the US Supreme Court loosened restrictions on political spending by organisations unaffiliated with candidates' campaigns.

According to IRS officials and the inspector general's report, in 2010-12 staff members at an IRS office in Cincinnati, Ohio used keywords such as "Tea Party" and "patriot" to select organisations for extra scrutiny.

The Tea Party is a loosely organised movement of anti-tax conservatives, and in the American political lexicon, "patriot" can indicate a conservative orientation.

The treasury department inspector general for tax matters has said he had found no evidence the IRS had acted under political pressure from the White House, and officials have said the practice was an effort to handle the heavy workload.

Two top IRS officials have resigned over the matter, which Mr Obama has denounced as an unacceptable intrusion into citizens' political activities.

The FBI has launched a criminal inquiry. Congress has already held one hearing into the matter and more are planned.


If this is the fifth version of events surrounding this, and there is a similar pattern with other issues also, is there an effective way that this Administration communicates? Or do they hope that stop gap measures will suffice until the next revelation?


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My upcoming future
1. Four treatments left and looking at 85% for total remission
2. Retirement in July.......I hope
3. Finish painting Dakka Chaos Warband....so far have Alpha Legion...Night Lords...Word Bearers...World Eaters....Thousand Sons...Iron Warriors in this mix
4. About to start customization on mini's...
5. Wife wants to drop a 8 cylinder into my 4 cylinder Mistibishi Spyder....(just arrived from storage...almost four years of storage)

Good luck to getting into the 85%

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There you go. If the chief of staff knows, then you've finally got something.
   
 
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