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If anyone deserves an at initiative ap2 weapon it is Ghaz. A 20 foot tall mound of.muscle.isn't going to be swinging be swinging slowly.

This never made sense to me. He's as big as a dread in his armor and since dreads get ap2 at int. why shouldn't he?

That sounds fair to me. Everything else in an ork army is going to be hitting after marines, so it doesn't seem overpowered to let one guy hit at I4 AP2.

Ghaz is already super amazing. He doesn't need to be any better.

Well right now there is almost nothing that can compete with him in CC besides dreads MC's Lelith Hesperax (on a good day) and any variant of a necron lord with MSS and warscythe and all of those get thrown out the window on a waaaaagh.

Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

 A GumyBear wrote:
Well right now there is almost nothing that can compete with him in CC besides dreads MC's Lelith Hesperax (on a good day) and any variant of a necron lord with MSS and warscythe and all of those get thrown out the window on a waaaaagh.

Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

I do not think this would work. The rule states ghaz's waaagh!! Is different than a normal waaagh!! A weird boyz waaagh!! Would follow normal rules not Ghaz's special one.

Also on any other turn than a Waaagh Abbadon would eat him for breakfast with a pleasant burp at the end.

 A GumyBear wrote:
Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

Sounds like I'm playing the wrong game. Bring on the weirdboys!

That many weirdboyz just makes it normal...
That has got to be some crazzy fun fielding that many weirdboyz.

 Grey Templar wrote:


Ghaz is already super amazing on the one turn he's waaaghing. He doesn't need to be any better.

FTFY.

Also, perhaps warbosses should have TL big shootas and Ghaz a TL supashoota, because given his size a bigshoota would probably be like a toy to him. It'd also make sense for him to be S6 T6 given that he's as big as a Carnifex.

Now Ghaz I think could benefit from an invulnerable save somewhere when he's not Waaaghing, even if it's just a 5+ from cyborking.

And even when he's on the Waaagh, an Iron Arm+Warp speed/Endurance Swarmlord makes a mockery out of him.

I believe he does have a 5+ invuln.

 A GumyBear wrote:
Well right now there is almost nothing that can compete with him in CC besides dreads MC's Lelith Hesperax (on a good day) and any variant of a necron lord with MSS and warscythe and all of those get thrown out the window on a waaaaagh.

Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

The weirdboyz waagh's dont count as Ghazzkul's waagh's check up the FAQ, but if you put him to lead a GREENTIDE he will call a waagh every turn (rules of the greentide formation) the leader of the group waagh's every turn and using him as the leader he will get his 2+ inv ^^

phatonic wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:
Well right now there is almost nothing that can compete with him in CC besides dreads MC's Lelith Hesperax (on a good day) and any variant of a necron lord with MSS and warscythe and all of those get thrown out the window on a waaaaagh.

Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

The weirdboyz waagh's dont count as Ghazzkul's waagh's check up the FAQ, but if you put him to lead a GREENTIDE he will call a waagh every turn (rules of the greentide formation) the leader of the group waagh's every turn and using him as the leader he will get his 2+ inv ^^

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That's even worse then before!

Now i have to kill 100+ boyz (or ghaz but lets face it he will be invincible) in order to stop that rampage (lucky for me my sw friend can just jotww him out

Yeah me and my buddy play a fun apoc combo. I use slannesh daemons to cast acquiescence and he uses Jaws on them.


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phatonic wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:
Well right now there is almost nothing that can compete with him in CC besides dreads MC's Lelith Hesperax (on a good day) and any variant of a necron lord with MSS and warscythe and all of those get thrown out the window on a waaaaagh.

Seriously, try playing an apoc game when your opponent has 6 wierdboys with warphead fething waaaaaghs every turn and a ghaz sitting up front laughing the whole game

The weirdboyz waagh's dont count as Ghazzkul's waagh's check up the FAQ, but if you put him to lead a GREENTIDE he will call a waagh every turn (rules of the greentide formation) the leader of the group waagh's every turn and using him as the leader he will get his 2+ inv ^^

I am definitely trying this out next apoc game.