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2013/05/16 19:58:05
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Do you think Britain is an intolerant society?
With all the talk of "immigrants taking our jobs", Islam being "incompatible" with being British not to mention swathes of MPs wanting to retreat behind our borders to fend off the rest of Europe, you'd be forgiven for thinking the answer is "yes".
Well, some new research has vindicated Brits and shows we are perhaps a more welcoming society than the headlines would lead you to believe.
Two Swedish economists embarked upon a project to test whether economic freedom made people more or less racist.
The findings were then translated into this map by the Washington Post. Red areas show high levels of intolerance, blue low levels.
Participants in the study were asked to identify people they would not want to live next to.
One of the options was "people of a different race" which is the response shown on the map.
A few points of note:
Western countries and Latin America appear to be the most tolerant
India is by far the most intolerant closely followed by Jordan, Bangladesh and Hong Kong
Pakistan, sandwiched between India and Iran, is surprisingly tolerant
While the methodology may not be foolproof the visualisation of the data does make for interesting viewing.
As for the the original study, the two Swedish researchers concluded there was no correlation between economic freedom and racial tolerance.
Interestingly hoever, they did find a link between economic freedom and tolerance towards homosexuals.
If the question was asked as "Would you rather live next to someone like you or someone different?" of course I'd say 'someone different'. I'm an donkey-cave.
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2013/05/16 20:20:09
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
When you just ask, you get a lot of lying. This is really more of a survey of "how much crap will you get from people for admitting that you are racist" as people will just answer whatever is socially acceptable.
2013/05/16 20:22:35
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Kilkrazy wrote: We need to see the data and methodology to form any idea of the value of this.
Methodology
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Our main variables of interest are four measures of tolerance based on replies to three questions in the World Values Survey and European Values Study. They are: Tolerance
homosexuals, Tolerance race, Importance of teaching kids tolerance and Global tolerance (GT) index. The first dependent variable refers to the share of the population in each country and time period respectively that does not pick “homosexuals” in answer to the question “On this list of various groups of people. Could you please mention any that you would not like to have as neighbors?”. The second dependent variable refers to the share of the population that does not pick “people of a different race” in answer to the very same question. The third dependent variable is calculated using the share of the population answering “Important” to the quality “Tolerance” when being asked the question: “Here is a list of qualities that children can be encouraged to learn at home. Which, if any, do you consider to be especially important?”. The final dependent variable corresponds to the GT index suggested by Das et al. (2008) and is constructed
calculating the average of the other three dependent variables.18 We use information on tolerance from the last non-missing value in the two latest versions of the World Values Survey and European Values Study, i.e., in 2005 or 2000.
Our main explanatory variables are six measures of the degree to which an economy is free from government involvement: the Economic Freedom Index (EFI) and its five constituent areas: Size of government (EFI1), Legal structure and security of property rights (EFI2), Access to sound money (EFI3), Freedom to trade internationally (EFI4) and Regulation of credit, labor and business (EFI5). These are described briefly in the preceding section and in detail in Table A1 in the Appendix.
In addition, we make use of a number of control variables that we consider potentially relevant: Real GDP per capita, Education, Young population share, Urban population share, Family values, Religious fractionalization, Ethnic fractionalization, Religion Catholic, Religion Muslim, Civil liberties, Political rights, Net income Gini and a set of geographical dummies. We later add Social trust (as motivated in section 2) and Central-bank independence as an instrumental variable. The variable on social trust comes from the World Values Survey (2012) and the European Values Study (2012) and corresponds to the share of the population in each country who answer that “most people can be trusted” to the question “In general, do you think most people can betrusted or can’t you be too careful?”.19 The measure of central-bank independence comes from Polillo and Guillén (2005) and corresponds to the index defined by Cukierman et al. (1992) that directly captures the extent to which the central bank is independent from the political power in a country. The index reflects four aspects: procedures concerning the governor of the central bank; the relationship between the government and the bank, and the location of authority over monetary policies; the objectives of the central bank; and the relationship between the government and the bank in terms of borrowing. The index is continuous (it ranges from zero to one) and increases with more independence.
If they're not using automated polling, then I expect a rampant Bradley effect.
If they are using automated polls, then cell phones are generally excluded, yes? That would also taint the results for excluding the younger population.
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2013/05/17 02:18:41
Subject: Re:Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Interesting to see that the original premise wasn't entirely confirmed. I would have thought that higher wealth and education would have led to less racism in a really tight correlation, but instead you can only see it as a general trend. Particularly if you compare the very wealthy Europe with developing Latin and South America - it seems being rich doesn't lead directly to less racism.
It's also interesting to see France is more racist than South Africa.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/05/17 02:20:02
Subject: Re:Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
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Maybe its possible that Frances latest tensions contributed to that.
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sebster wrote: It's also interesting to see France is more racist than South Africa.
This, I'm not as surprised by - I'm only tangentially aware of French politics but their government seem to be undergoing a pretty strong pushback against domestic Islamists of the darker persuasion as of late.
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2013/05/17 05:46:51
Subject: Re:Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Yeah, it certainly reflects the politics of France today... but worse than South Africa?! I mean, does culture change that quickly?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/05/17 06:05:04
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
If they are using automated polls, then cell phones are generally excluded, yes? That would also taint the results for excluding the younger population.
It depends on whether or not you have a licensing agreement with the provider in question.
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2013/05/17 06:08:24
Subject: Re:Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
sebster wrote: Yeah, it certainly reflects the politics of France today... but worse than South Africa?! I mean, does culture change that quickly?
How long did it take after WW2 before Germany would actually send people to jail (!) for denying the Holocaust happened? (I have no idea, serious question). That's a pretty extreme swing as well.
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2013/05/17 06:49:40
Subject: Re:Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
sebster wrote: Yeah, it certainly reflects the politics of France today... but worse than South Africa?! I mean, does culture change that quickly?
Yes, things have changed drastically over the last 20 years. Most of the people who struggled with the concept of living with people who are way more tanned than they will ever be, left. Quite a few to your country. Is Apartheid thinking gone, no, and it will be around for many years to come, probably until my generation dies out.
Evil_Toast wrote: Yes, things have changed drastically over the last 20 years. Most of the people who struggled with the concept of living with people who are way more tanned than they will ever be, left. Quite a few to your country. Is Apartheid thinking gone, no, and it will be around for many years to come, probably until my generation dies out.
Forget to my country, to my suburb. I'm surrounded by them.
Anyhow, thanks for that. You make a fair point.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/05/17 07:25:32
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
France is having a couple racial issues these days, including their push backs against domestic Muslims, but also the Romani population, there was mass deportation under their last President.
Results wise just taking the graph as is (and yes, there's always stuff to question with things like this) I'm surprised that the U.S. is as low as it is.
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sebster wrote: Yeah, it certainly reflects the politics of France today... but worse than South Africa?! I mean, does culture change that quickly?
It doesn't really surprises me at all. France has never been the beacon of social tolerance and progress many people want to paint it has.
The college teacher under which I'm doing my internship once said to his class that women were free and equal to men because of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. I had the pleasure to remind him that Olympe de Gouge had her pretty head chopped off for making exactly that kind of declaration.
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2013/05/18 06:35:25
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Evil_Toast wrote: Ah, well, on the plus side you should have been introduced to the awesome that is biltong.
This South African lady made the cake for our wedding. We saw her in her house and to be honest I couldn't give two gaks about the cake, but what she was cooking for her family smelt so good.
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Kovnik Obama wrote: It doesn't really surprises me at all. France has never been the beacon of social tolerance and progress many people want to paint it has.
Oh, for sure. I looked at Europe to confirm my assumption that France would come out with the most racist result (in part for historical reasons, and also because of the heightened racial situation in the country right now). Then I noticed it was worse than South Africa, which was a hell of a thing.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/05/20 22:07:13
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
I am shocked by the Japan result myself. Japan is not exactly well known for racial tolerances. And certainly not diversity.. so maybe when they answered they thought it meant someone with a different profession?
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2013/05/20 22:15:51
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally
Shadowseer_Kim wrote: I am shocked by the Japan result myself. Japan is not exactly well known for racial tolerances. And certainly not diversity.. so maybe when they answered they thought it meant someone with a different profession?
Eh... I think a lot of that is the older generations. The younger ones are much more wordly cultured. In my many years there, I never directly saw issues. There was a few places where it was known that I (and other non-japanese) was not welcome, but they were few and far between.
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2013/05/20 22:32:31
Subject: Racial Tolerance Map Shows Most And Least Racially Welcoming Countries Globally