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 Melissia wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Oh and is Diablo 3 a confirmed PS4 exclusive... if so I'll be getting one regardless.

Technically it can't be PS4 exclusive, since it's already been released on the PC.

The "PS4 exclusive" tag in terms of Diablo 4 is going to be hyped to hell and back because, outside of the PC, it will be exclusive to the PS4.

Swan-of-War wrote:
I know PC gamers like to crow about "master race"

Actually, it's mostly the more trollish console players that mention that term.

Or the PC players who feel the need to crow about the fact that they're PC players.

Anyways, it doesn't really bloody matter so let's get back on topic shall we?

SilverMK2 wrote:With game installs and disc-less gaming i wonder if the disks will have some unique identifier on them the machine can recognise to prevent people just splitting the cost of a new game between them and then buying a play code for much less than the cost new...

They've pretty much confirmed that yes the discs will have a unique identifier on them.

15 exclusives, with 8 of them being "new properties" and 7 of them being returning properties(of which you can pretty much guarantee Halo is one) is also a "big deal" in early adoption rates for consoles.

And how many of those are gonna be Kinect titles? We already know of one (Ryse). One is probably the new Respawn Entertainment title.

Having a bunch of exclusive titles is meaningless. Nintendo offers practically nothing but exclusive titles to sell their brand and it hasn't really brought them huge success. If they're mostly games no one cares for or they're on a system no one likes, it won't amount to much (and I'd bet real money most of those exclusives turn out to be Kinect games).

Exclusives haven't sold consoles since the first XBox whose success could largely be attributed to its stellar launch lineup and a strong year of releases. But even then XBox's superior exclusive titles never allowed it to beat the PS2, and Nintendo hasn't won a console war since the N64 with an all-star lineup. Usually the console that comes out first wins, but Nintendo threw away their early release advantage. The One and PS4 look to be aiming for a release around the same time and price will probably be the deciding factor (and maybe some brand pride).

EDIT: Basically I'm saying that inspite of what the console makers have often thought, historically exclusive titles haven't really sold consoles in a long time when third party developers have increasingly moved towards multiplatform releases. Sure some people will buy a XBox solely to play the next Halo title, and a PS4 solely for Killzone but the number of people swayed that way isn't that big.

Forza is going to be a big draw, but PS4 has its own exclusive racing game to counter.

To Forza's favor is the fact that Grand Turismo spends most of its time spinning its wheels (pun hehe).

 LordofHats wrote:

15 exclusives, with 8 of them being "new properties" and 7 of them being returning properties(of which you can pretty much guarantee Halo is one) is also a "big deal" in early adoption rates for consoles.

And how many of those are gonna be Kinect titles? We already know of one (Ryse). One is probably the new Respawn Entertainment title.

Having a bunch of exclusive titles is meaningless. Nintendo offers practically nothing but exclusive titles to sell their brand and it hasn't really brought them huge success. If they're mostly games no one cares for or they're on a system no one likes, it won't amount to much (and I'd bet real money most of those exclusives turn out to be Kinect games).

I would be surprised if they're purely Kinect titles. Most things are going to have some form of Kinect functionality though. That's pretty much a guarantee at this point.

Exclusives haven't sold consoles since the first XBox whose success could largely be attributed to its stellar launch lineup and a strong year of releases. But even then XBox's superior exclusive titles never allowed it to beat the PS2, and Nintendo hasn't won a console war since the N64 with an all-star lineup. Usually the console that comes out first wins, but Nintendo threw away their early release advantage. The One and PS4 look to be aiming for a release around the same time and price will probably be the deciding factor (and maybe some brand pride).

EDIT: Basically I'm saying that inspite of what the console makers have often thought, historically exclusive titles haven't really sold consoles in a long time when third party developers have increasingly moved towards multiplatform releases. Sure some people will buy a XBox solely to play the next Halo title, and a PS4 solely for Killzone but the number of people swayed that way isn't that big.

It might not be that big, but it still is a factor.
While most people aren't going to say "Oh, I'm going to buy an Xbox just to play Halo 5!"--they might be saying "Well, I want to play Halo 5 and most of the people that I have played with are on the Xbox. Why would I buy a PS4?".

Well we know Respawns game is a Scifi shooter (possible named 'Titan'). I doubt they'll all be kinect games. I'm suspecting Respawns title, a new Halo related title, a Gears related title (maybe). There are still rumors whirling about a new Mechwarrior game in spite of MWO and I think Microsoft still owns the rights and Mech Assault made them good money.

Swan-of-War wrote:
I know PC gamers like to crow about "master race" but what it fails to deliver is adequate multi-seat for me and my family. It's primarily a one-person, one-screen type of gaming experiance - with all the ipods, iphones and nooks that my kids have their noses buried in, I'd rather not fire up a system that takes me even further away from interacting with people in the same room.

With a console, at least I can have friends and family over and we can enjoy the same game experiance

Why is that every pro- console owner uses this argument? It was bs 10 years ago, it is bs today.

It isn't bs in the sense that you don't normally see PC games that have multiple users simultaneously on a single machine (dedicated servers don't count ). Of course, console games have been trying to phase split screening out for years.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The "PS4 exclusive" tag in terms of Diablo 4 is going to be hyped to hell and back because, outside of the PC, it will be exclusive to the PS4.

In other words... it's not exclusive.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or the PC players who feel the need to crow about the fact that they're PC players.

The "PC Master Race" thing? No.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Anyways, it doesn't really bloody matter so let's get back on topic shall we?

Shutting down people attempting to start up a console war is usually worth it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22623010

Article about the pre-owned block on the Xbox One (still can't get over that name), suggesting that you'll be able to trade in your games digitally/via Xbox Live; which effectively grants Microsoft control over the pre-owned games market.

You'll also be able to take games round your friends if you sign in on Xbox Live.

Must say it was a lot better than Sonys PS4 reveal in wich they didn't reveal their console.. at all. Even though it was a console reveal.
The console reveaI was about the console as it should be and I understand MS for not showing all the new tittles with E3 just around the corner. Why show everything and not having anything left for E3?

I really don't get why people are whining about some stuff about it. Like the 2nd hand games, every game as of late on PS4 or Xbox360 has codes to unlock most of the games. So if you sell them you'd need to buy a new code to make it work again.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:


Well if they made certain teams exclusive like Broncos only on Xbox and Seahwks on PS4

Don't give em ideas.

The original xbox is what brought me back to console gaming after a 10 year stretch of ignoring it and it's possible that the xbox one will cure me of console gaming interest.

No backward compatibility? Inability to work if my internet goes out for more than 24 hours? Mandatory kinect use that reminds me of the big brother wall terminals in 1984? Hard drive that can't be swapped out? Used games requiring a second fee to "activate" and maybe full price? It's too early to tell but the news so far isn't good.


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 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

I really don't get why people are whining about some stuff about it. Like the 2nd hand games, every game as of late on PS4 or Xbox360 has codes to unlock most of the games. So if you sell them you'd need to buy a new code to make it work again.

Here is the list of games that I've bought in the past year. Halo 4, Deus Ex, Witcher 2, Borderlands 2, Gears of War Judgement, XCOM Enemy Unknown. None had codes to "unlock most of the games" and only one that I know of (Borderlands 2) had any pass content DLC exclusive to new games (mechromancer.. which now I think might have been preorder DLC and not a defacto pass). As you can see, I haven't cherry picked weird japanese niche titles but rather have largely stuck to popular releases. I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that "every game as of late on PS4 or Xbox360 has codes to unlock most of the games."

 LordofHats wrote:
Well we know Respawns game is a Scifi shooter (possible named 'Titan'). I doubt they'll all be kinect games. I'm suspecting Respawns title, a new Halo related title, a Gears related title (maybe). There are still rumors whirling about a new Mechwarrior game in spite of MWO and I think Microsoft still owns the rights and Mech Assault made them good money.

I dunno about a Gears title, but Epic has something in the works.

For my predictions in regards to exclusives?
Dragon Age III going back to Xbox as an exclusive. BioWare had a lot of issues with Sony and Mass Effect 3, ranging from Sony dragging their feet on certifying downloadable content to the Playstation Network making it unfeasible for the "Weekend Events" that BioWare ran to be on the PS3.
A new IP from BioWare. There's been reports of something in the works; but they started surfacing in 2012. By that point in time, it would have been downright ridiculous to start developing a new property on the current generation in the eyes of BioWare and their masters at EA.
A new Halo game is a given. 343 Industries exists just for this reason.
Something from Epic. Could be a new Gears game or a new property.
There's some talk of Mass Effect going back to being an Xbox exclusive. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that there's going to be more Mass Effect games.

I'm going to predict, however, that most of the exclusives at launch are going to be published by Microsoft. So look at who fall under Microsoft's umbrella and work from there.

Didn't they confirm Bungie's Destiny for the "one"?

Yeah, "Destiny" is going to be on this generation and next generation consoles.

It's not exclusive to any particular console as far as I'm aware.

No, it's not. Sorry, missed the part about exclusives. I figured we were just going over announced games.

Yeah, there's a lot of games which are "announced" at this point.

A big thing is that the companies developing these titles could likely not announce they were working on the Xbox One versions as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dragon Age III going back to Xbox as an exclusive. BioWare had a lot of issues with Sony and Mass Effect 3, ranging from Sony dragging their feet on certifying downloadable content to the Playstation Network making it unfeasible for the "Weekend Events" that BioWare ran to be on the PS3.
A new IP from BioWare. There's been reports of something in the works; but they started surfacing in 2012. By that point in time, it would have been downright ridiculous to start developing a new property on the current generation in the eyes of BioWare and their masters at EA.
A new Halo game is a given. 343 Industries exists just for this reason.
Something from Epic. Could be a new Gears game or a new property.
There's some talk of Mass Effect going back to being an Xbox exclusive. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that there's going to be more Mass Effect games.

I'm going to predict, however, that most of the exclusives at launch are going to be published by Microsoft. So look at who fall under Microsoft's umbrella and work from there.

Well not all. Bioware is technically owned by EA and Respawns new game is published by EA as an exclusive to the One. Maybe we're beginning to see the formation of some kind of EA Microsoft team up. Most of EA's business probably does come from Xbox users this past generation. Sony and the PS3 lost a lot of ground.

Entirely possible.

Sony reputedly annoyed the hell out of EA in regards to Battlefield 3's "Premium" map pack releases.

 Melissia wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Oh and is Diablo 3 a confirmed PS4 exclusive... if so I'll be getting one regardless.

Technically it can't be PS4 exclusive, since it's already been released on the PC.


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Swan-of-War wrote:
I know PC gamers like to crow about "master race"

Actually, it's mostly the more trollish console players that mention that term.

You've obviously been quite insulated on your forum visits. Maybe that's how it is here...

Also, the PC argument of its a single-player platform is totally valid. Couch co-op doesn't exist on PC.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, the PC argument of its a single-player platform is totally valid. Couch co-op doesn't exist on PC.

It does exist, actually, but it is certainly uncommon.

 Melissia wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, the PC argument of its a single-player platform is totally valid. Couch co-op doesn't exist on PC.

It does exist, actually, but it is certainly uncommon.

Apparently uncommon enough for me to never have seen it.

Which basically leads me to believe, it basically doesn't exist. The 1 fringe case of a game that has it doesn't really 'make' the argument for me.

Interesting: Microsft Stocks Drop, Sony Stocks Increase. Game Stop stocks also (unsurprisingly) dropped following the reveal.

Following the Xbox One event that recently finished up, the stock market has revealed that Microsoft is actually down around 0.70%, with Sony posting a rise of about 8.5%. Looking at their full numbers, Microsoft is hovering around a 34.83 a share and Sony is at roughly 22.68.

What these numbers could mean is that, after seeing everything the Xbox One has to offer, interest in the PlayStation 4 is higher than Microsoft’s new system, with investors worried about the direction Xbox One is taking.

Looks like some folk decided to invest in Sony's success this coming release season and a few backed out of Microsoft (I'm no economy mastermind but .7% doesn't seem like a significant number to me but I don't know). A rise of 8.3% on the other hand seems like a bit of a jump. E3 just might be the make it or break it moment for XBox One and PS4.

 illuknisaa wrote:

Swan-of-War wrote:
I know PC gamers like to crow about "master race" but what it fails to deliver is adequate multi-seat for me and my family. It's primarily a one-person, one-screen type of gaming experiance - with all the ipods, iphones and nooks that my kids have their noses buried in, I'd rather not fire up a system that takes me even further away from interacting with people in the same room.

With a console, at least I can have friends and family over and we can enjoy the same game experiance

Why is that every pro- console owner uses this argument? It was bs 10 years ago, it is bs today.

Care to expound on this? If you know of a way I can play a simo- four-person game on my TV via a computer (ala New Super Mario Bros), please tell.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, the PC argument of its a single-player platform is totally valid. Couch co-op doesn't exist on PC.

It does exist, actually, but it is certainly uncommon.

Apparently uncommon enough for me to never have seen it.

Which basically leads me to believe, it basically doesn't exist. The 1 fringe case of a game that has it doesn't really 'make' the argument for me.

I like how you are saying that it is impossible to wheel your pc the living room (or move couch to office), impossible to plug a tv to a pc (even though they have been using same ports for a long time), impossible to use gamepads and impossible to play splitscreen/party games.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, the PC argument of its a single-player platform is totally valid. Couch co-op doesn't exist on PC.

It does exist, actually, but it is certainly uncommon.

Apparently uncommon enough for me to never have seen it.

Which basically leads me to believe, it basically doesn't exist. The 1 fringe case of a game that has it doesn't really 'make' the argument for me.

I like how you are saying that it is impossible to wheel your pc the living room (or move couch to office), impossible to plug a tv to a pc (even though they have been using same ports for a long time), impossible to use gamepads and impossible to play splitscreen/party games.

I know you get off on trolling the console gamers; but I'm starting to think you have a problem reading as well.

What PC games are there which allow you to play splitscreen on the same machine and the same account?

 illuknisaa wrote:

I like how you are saying that it is impossible to wheel your pc the living room (or move couch to office), impossible to plug a tv to a pc (even though they have been using same ports for a long time), impossible to use gamepads and impossible to play splitscreen/party games.

I didn't say any of that, actually.

I said split screen barely exists on PC, but thanks for trying to put a bunch of words in my mouth.

I could totally roll my enormous PC into my living room and hook it up to my 60" television and giant stereo system, but I use it for work and it wouldn't exactly fit easily on my tv stand. Also, a mouse and keyboard in the living room isn't something I want. For me personally, its not worth it. That isn't to say plenty of other people can't do it.

I have a monster gaming PC which I play games on... so its not like I am only approaching this from one side.

I have played the various Worms games with multiple people on one PC.
There are a number of other turn based games that I have done the same with.

I guess those don't count as the screen does not split?
Then again it doesn't really in nsmb or smash or whatnot, right?

You guys really like to call out 1 or 2 PC games that ACTUALLY have split screen/couch coop.

That totally means it is a very embraced feature, and it is in many PC games!

 kirsanth wrote:
I have played the various Worms games with multiple people on one PC.
There are a number of other turn based games that I have done the same with.

I guess those don't count as the screen does not split?
Then again it doesn't really in nsmb or smash or whatnot, right?

We'll count them. Splitscreen or shared screens; the principle of two people sharing the same screen and control device (or secondary control devices) is more what is being referred to IMO.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dragon Age III going back to Xbox as an exclusive. BioWare had a lot of issues with Sony and Mass Effect 3, ranging from Sony dragging their feet on certifying downloadable content to the Playstation Network making it unfeasible for the "Weekend Events" that BioWare ran to be on the PS3.
A new IP from BioWare. There's been reports of something in the works; but they started surfacing in 2012. By that point in time, it would have been downright ridiculous to start developing a new property on the current generation in the eyes of BioWare and their masters at EA.
A new Halo game is a given. 343 Industries exists just for this reason.
Something from Epic. Could be a new Gears game or a new property.
There's some talk of Mass Effect going back to being an Xbox exclusive. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that there's going to be more Mass Effect games.

I'm going to predict, however, that most of the exclusives at launch are going to be published by Microsoft. So look at who fall under Microsoft's umbrella and work from there.

Well not all. Bioware is technically owned by EA and Respawns new game is published by EA as an exclusive to the One. Maybe we're beginning to see the formation of some kind of EA Microsoft team up. Most of EA's business probably does come from Xbox users this past generation. Sony and the PS3 lost a lot of ground.

I am a SCEE employee. The fact is the PS3 has now sold more units than the XBox. Not by a big margin. Both machines have sold over 75 million units. The key difference is the PS3 is stronger in Europe and the XBox is stronger in the US.

That's why EA probably could afford to make Madden an XBox exclusive and FIFA a PS4 exclusive. If you can't guarantee the XBox or the PS4 will sell 150 million, and the other one nothing, you would be a stupid publisher to throw away half your potential sales. But the US/Euro divide makes a difference on some titles. I don't know but I bet US sales of Madden are 10 times the Euro sales.

As I understood the XBox EA announcement, though, the exclusivity applies only to some download content for an unspecified period of time. The other console will get it after probably three months. There were similar deals on the current generation.