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I figured Sony was going to jump on board the gakky DRM train, I am glad I was proven wrong!
Now I can only hope MS takes this backlash seriously and changes their direction somewhat. Obviously the 3rd party devs aren't THAT serious about all this DRM, since Sony is going to get away without doing it.
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I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
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MandalorynOranj wrote: I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
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The consoles aren't even out yet. And let's not forget that people were saying that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than Kinect...
MandalorynOranj wrote: I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
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The consoles aren't even out yet. And let's not forget that people were saying that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than Kinect...
MandalorynOranj wrote: I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
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The consoles aren't even out yet. And let's not forget that people were saying that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than Kinect...
The prices were both announced tonight at E3.
Eldar shenanigans are the best shenanigans! DQ:90S++G+M--B+IPw40k09#+D++A++/areWD-R++T(T)DM+
MandalorynOranj wrote: I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
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The consoles aren't even out yet. And let's not forget that people were saying that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than Kinect...
The prices were both announced tonight at E3.
I'm quite aware of that, thanks.
What you did not seem to grasp is that saying "Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation" when the consoles are not even out yet is asinine.
not_u wrote:
Are you being serious right now?
Yes. There were a notable number of people here and elsewhere who insisted that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than the Kinect, refusing to take into consideration the fact that each Move required its own controller.
DA's Forever wrote: Exactly, I think Microsoft have come to far to back pedal, yell we were just kidding, and have us all be happy with it.
They better! I'd think it would be very foolish if they didn't...
Well, it's kind of a PR nightmare at this point. Sony just dropped the mic on them hard, and they're left with either continuing to run with their current platform, which is antagonistic as hell towards their consumer base, and raises a hell of a lot of eyebrows concerning personal privacy and such; or essentially going back on everything they've said up until now, showing a massive loss of confidence in their own product, and looking weak as hell.
DA's Forever wrote: Exactly, I think Microsoft have come to far to back pedal, yell we were just kidding, and have us all be happy with it.
They better! I'd think it would be very foolish if they didn't...
Well, it's kind of a PR nightmare at this point. Sony just dropped the mic on them hard, and they're left with either continuing to run with their current platform, which is antagonistic as hell towards their consumer base, and raises a hell of a lot of eyebrows concerning personal privacy and such; or essentially going back on everything they've said up until now, showing a massive loss of confidence in their own product, and looking weak as hell.
Exactly, Damned if they do...
Emperors Faithful wrote:
metallifan wrote:Maybe it's not the ROFLSTOMP that Americans are used to...
What you did not seem to grasp is that saying "Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation" when the consoles are not even out yet is asinine.
as·i·nine
/ˈasəˌnīn/
Adjective
Extremely stupid or foolish.
If you want to call someone a complete stupid while sounding smart yourself, asinine is your go-to word.
Asinine derives from the Latin asinus. Guess what that means? Bonus: Asinine takes stupid up a notch. There's someone so delightful in the double-edged quality of asinine behavior. Talking trash about your boss is stupid. Talking trash about your boss in an email they're cc'd on...that's asinine.
Hmmm interesting, I see some same individual still gets away with being ****ing rude, with like what, 50+ entries of that word being used by same person?
Just how mods? how :3
Whether something is out yet or not is totally irrelevant. In business, and to the customers, the day the price is announced is usually the day
they decide on the consle to stick with. Because y'know with the "not seem to grasp or not bs" , the pre hype with the game release list, and machine specification is already a deciding factor to the customer.
Now all they need is the price vs ^ to make the final judgement.
Or, why not, I strongly welcome a bet between us to see if Sony (me) or Xbox (you) wins.
Lets bet some forge world stuff?
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Sony looked at everything Microsoft was doing to screw their customers... and then didn't do it. They're at least giving the illusion that they give a damn about their customers, and that's really important.
I've never owned a Sony console in my life. The 360, to me, was the perfect gaming machine (mine only got RROD once and it was fixed quickly and for free). Microsoft left me in the gutter with the Xbone and, as things are looking now, Sony's reaching down to pull me up.
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MandalorynOranj wrote: Sony looked at everything Microsoft was doing to screw their customers... and then didn't do it. They're at least giving the illusion that they give a damn about their customers, and that's really important.
I've never owned a Sony console in my life. The 360, to me, was the perfect gaming machine (mine only got RROD once and it was fixed quickly and for free). Microsoft left me in the gutter with the Xbone and, as things are looking now, Sony's reaching down to pull me up.
Putting it politely since there is an individual in this thread now who apparently still has an axe to grind:
If you feel that strongly, more power to you.
I'm left cold by the PS4 and would only end up buying it for Killzone most likely...but that's not enough of a draw. It's not enough to make me ditch the friends I regularly play with on Xbox Live, nor is it enough to make me really feel comfortable with a company whose track record of supporting online play/services is atrocious (at best).
I would kindly request however that you make a separate thread for the PS4 in that case, so that we don't need to hash out a "console war" when some individuals feel the necessity to crow about why X is better than Y or vice versa.
MandalorynOranj wrote: Sony looked at everything Microsoft was doing to screw their customers... and then didn't do it. They're at least giving the illusion that they give a damn about their customers, and that's really important.
I've never owned a Sony console in my life. The 360, to me, was the perfect gaming machine (mine only got RROD once and it was fixed quickly and for free). Microsoft left me in the gutter with the Xbone and, as things are looking now, Sony's reaching down to pull me up.
I think the thing is, companies are there to make profit, and customers know that.
The real deal is, to whom the customers feel like is more worthy to spend their money on.
Sony is not a new company, they have quality reputation for all of the company history, customers have zero reason for blind loyalty to stick with microsoft.
This isn't religion we are talking about, so Im not surprised that Sony is successful at reaching the ex-box (x-box pun lol) customers.
Putting it politely since there is an individual in this thread now who apparently still has an axe to grind:
Nah Kan, would it be far fetched illed logic to you if I simply tell you " I dont like people being rude" ?
There doesn't need to be any axes to grind, I mean, perhaps you understood this time, and said you'll "put it politely."
Now why is that a bad thing? its not!
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Yes. There were a notable number of people here and elsewhere who insisted that the Playstation Move was going to be cheaper than the Kinect, refusing to take into consideration the fact that each Move required its own controller.
And you do realise this one thing is very minor when you look at both overall? Especially when you take into account something such as the preowned market and how its effected by both of these. The always online and how it works with the people without suitable internet for it, or even the paranoid; both are likely fewer these days but are parts of the market not to simply be stepped over. Then there's simply those who see excessive DRM as both of these as restrictive even insulting to them as a customer who will simply not buy it on morale grounds.
Yes, it's spendy. However, GW makes the best models and writes the coolest backstories. Also: Think about how many other new codex armies would kill to have a codex supplement? For me ( a 27 year 40k vet), I have not bought a book in 7 years for my Eldar. I'm fine with the prices on this hobby product.
From an objective view point as someone who has been unbiased in this whole console war crap, I see no points in favour of what they've decided to do with the XBO. I cannot fathom how this would attract new customers. The XBO's protection is somewhat needed I suppose given how easily people have even managed to pirate on consoles as well, especially with how similar an Xbox is to a computer, but the method they have chosen just stands to alienate their customer base and simply blame everyone instead of finding the issue and trying harder to guard against it. If it didn't work out for EA well on the PC where piracy is much more rampant, why should it work on a more limited format like a console?
So let me break it all down and simplify it.
I have a choice of buying two bags of oranges, right? First bag gives what it says simply, it's a bag and it has oranges in it. The second has an ink pack inside as well as an electronic tracker to ensure no one will steal it. Of course the price of this added security is thrown onto the price of the bag. Now for you to say the kinnect is cheaper is akin to saying well it has a cheaper brand of string holding it shut so you get your savings there. Then the real answers to the problem pop up, do you watch your customers closer and make them feel uneasy or do you simply budget to cover the losses?
This thread seems to devolving into a console fanboy war.
I'd suggest holding off on proclamations of failure or success, its just conjecture either way at this point.
Both consoles will likely sell well; its as if you think these companies just blindly rush tremendously expensive products to market without exhaustive research first.
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MandalorynOranj wrote: I think it's safe to say that with no always-on requirement, no used game restrictions, AND a price tag $100 cheaper, Sony put the nail in Microsoft's coffin this generation.
Well I'm sorry you bought that PR speak hook, line and sinker. Yes, Playstation is not requiring any of that, but they didn't say developers won't. They will leave it to developers, which is exactly what Xbox is doing. Also, Xbox does not have used game restrictions. I'm not sure why that keeps getting parroted around when it was debunked like 2 weeks ago. Also, did you happen to notice how many games are always online or cloud-based at the PS reveal? Again, not sure why people go crazy over the online check-in when most games for both systems will need an internet connection that exceeds the basic check-in the Xbox requires.
As far as actual games, I'd say Sony has to do a lot better than what they showed tonight to beat MS. I didn't see anything super impressive that was a PS exclusive aside from The Order. They din't even show their big bloackbusters liek Uncharted and God of War. Pretty weak games offering to be honest.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
I'd suggest holding off on proclamations of failure or success, its just conjecture either way at this point.
Both consoles will likely sell well; its as if you think these companies just blindly rush tremendously expensive products to market without exhaustive research first.
It's laughable to consider me a console fanboy. I'm just trying to think of this logically, yet get countered by sheer fanaticism.
Kanluwen wrote: Whatever. If you want to insist that the PS4 is better because of what they're currently stating?
Power to ya. Enjoy your PS4. But make a separate thread for it.
So you can completely dodge in there too? I'd rather not. If you read you'd notice I didn't even say PS4 once nor mentioned how great it apparently is.
I'd suggest holding off on proclamations of failure or success, its just conjecture either way at this point.
Both consoles will likely sell well; its as if you think these companies just blindly rush tremendously expensive products to market without exhaustive research first.
I have both consoles, tbh as a customer I have no interest in fanboy debates, at the end of the day, what interests me the most is...
having BOTH sides realize their pros and cons, why? this isnt about poo slinging match.
Its about admitting the faults of current generation machine, so they can improve on it the the future ones.
Then both sides will win right? ultimately, I think so :3
Xbox Cons: awful controller, expensive BUT reliable online experience. New to the console market wars, have high expectation for them.
Sony Cons: the continual success of consoles means games that have annoying hybrid aim assist functions... (well this goes for all consoles )
Free, but often laggy multiplayer game plays.
Since PS1, the customers expect Sony to be veterans at keeping its customer happy, less tolerance for mistakes.
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I'd suggest holding off on proclamations of failure or success, its just conjecture either way at this point.
Both consoles will likely sell well; its as if you think these companies just blindly rush tremendously expensive products to market without exhaustive research first.
It's laughable to consider me a console fanboy. I'm just trying to think of this logically, yet get countered by sheer fanaticism.
Kanluwen wrote: Whatever. If you want to insist that the PS4 is better because of what they're currently stating?
Power to ya. Enjoy your PS4. But make a separate thread for it.
So you can completely dodge in there too? I'd rather not. If you read you'd notice I didn't even say PS4 once nor mentioned how great it apparently is.
Xbox Cons: awful controller, expensive BUT reliable online experience. New to the console market wars, have high expectation for them.
Sony Cons: the continual success of consoles means games that have annoying hybrid aim assist functions...
Free, but often laggy multiplayer game plays. Since PS1, the customers expect Sony to be veterans at keeping its customer happy,
less tolerance for mistakes.
Uh, what?
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Rule one folks, lets not start losing it over which console is best please, leave that to dedicated fanboy boards if you will. Dislike, anger direct at the companies for decision making etc is fine, taking pot shots at one another because you prefer console a over console b is not!
Also try to keep the Sony focused talk in the PS4 thread please.
As to myself, still can't make any judgement calls until the two launch line ups are out, but I will note as it was raised above.. I personally know seven folks from my and my brothers immediate gaming circles who are getting xboxone's regardless of price because they cannot stand dualshock controllers anymore, and rate the xbox controller miles ahead. From comments I've seen about the net, it would seem they are not alone.
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