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The question is why have backwards compatibility when you already own the previous console with all the games. The Xbox One is next-gen and playing older games on it will make now difference whether it could or can't. The console won't really upgrade the graphics. If people are so obsessed with older games for previous gen consoles - then why don't they just play it on those consoles. It's not like the Xbox 360 or PS3 will just stop working when the new consoles come out is it?
It was rumoured the 360 'Chip' was in development, which would be a USB device you could plug into the xbox one and presumably use by itself (wireless and Digi-Dis only obviously). Unfortunately it just turned out to be a new form factor for the 360. I was actually pretty disappointed by that as i thought the 360 chip sounded like a cool idea.
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Vivster wrote: The question is why have backwards compatibility when you already own the previous console with all the games. The Xbox One is next-gen and playing older games on it will make now difference whether it could or can't. The console won't really upgrade the graphics. If people are so obsessed with older games for previous gen consoles - then why don't they just play it on those consoles. It's not like the Xbox 360 or PS3 will just stop working when the new consoles come out is it?
For me at least, it would be because A) I like those old games (such as Halo (1) and Fable; two of my personal favourites) as well as the new ones, B) wouldn't want to have two consoles plugged in, and C) am likely to trade in my old-gen console.
I may be mis-remembering, but didn't the 360 initially be announced as not having backwards compatibility and then they changed it due to demand?
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Oh and... lending games to friends is still possible on the Xbox One. But why would you even do that. It just shows how cheap your friends are.
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Oh and... lending games to friends is still possible on the Xbox One. But why would you even do that. It just shows how cheap your friends are.
This is how MS wants everyone to talk.
Yeah, that point - beyond his and Sigvatr's general arguments - struck me as... Odd.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
The Forza A.I thing could be good.. or bad.. wonder if it notes the car with say A.I Fred, just have to hope Fred isn't awesome.. otherwise I can hear cries of 'not A.I Fred' as the race is gearing up to start.
As to Microsoft, I seriously think they are just going on the basis that they believe a load of folks will get one anyways, and let their games do the talking. That of course has the potential to backfire dramatically.
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Vivster wrote: The question is why have backwards compatibility when you already own the previous console with all the games. The Xbox One is next-gen and playing older games on it will make now difference whether it could or can't. The console won't really upgrade the graphics. If people are so obsessed with older games for previous gen consoles - then why don't they just play it on those consoles. It's not like the Xbox 360 or PS3 will just stop working when the new consoles come out is it?
In the case of the xbox, it very well may (but unrelated to the release of a new console but rather due to hardware failure rates). I'm on my 7th xbox since 2006... basically, I'm running around 1 a year on average due to breakdowns. How long will the current one last? Dunno but I know that I'd like to still play my games more than a few months from now and I can't do that with the Xbone. Then there is the issue of people trading in the older console to stores like Gamestop in order to defray the initial cost of the new console. I traded in my old xbox, controllers, and games that I knew I wouldn't continue playing and saved almost $150 off the cost of my first 360. There is the issue of living room visual design and practical space. I don't want multiple briefcases under my TV when just one could suffice for games. Finally, some people don't have multiple HDMI ports necessary to play 1080p. There are many reasonable and common sense reasons why someone would want to play current gen titles on a next gen system so please don't use unnecessary and derogatory terms like "obsessed". Those may not be your personal top concerns but that doesn't make you any better than people who do have those concerns.
Backwards compatability is also good for encouraging "defectors." If someone had a PS3 but is switching to the Xbone, or vice versa, it would be nice to know that you aren't limited to the launch titles at the beginning, and have the whole backlog available to you for your new console.
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Sigvatr wrote: Sony won, hands down. Better exclusive lineup, lending games is possible, no cyberspy, no arsehole-ish behavior (ie Microsoft bribing publishers) etc.
I just hope that all the CoD guys go buy an Xbox, that's the console for ZE DOODZ.
Xbox games looked terrible. Ryse is 100% QTE, Forza is vroom vrooooom, we still didnt see anything about the Quantum game and most major games are on both systems anyway. On the other side, we have Sony with Last of Us sweeping the entire starting lineup of the Xbone with a single strike.
...btw, did anyone see that Xbone design circlejerk video? just wow.
This is an awful post.
Forza is vroom vroom; what the feth.
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Vivster wrote: The question is why have backwards compatibility when you already own the previous console with all the games. The Xbox One is next-gen and playing older games on it will make now difference whether it could or can't. The console won't really upgrade the graphics. If people are so obsessed with older games for previous gen consoles - then why don't they just play it on those consoles. It's not like the Xbox 360 or PS3 will just stop working when the new consoles come out is it?
For me at least, it would be because A) I like those old games (such as Halo (1) and Fable; two of my personal favourites) as well as the new ones, B) wouldn't want to have two consoles plugged in, and C) am likely to trade in my old-gen console.
I may be mis-remembering, but didn't the 360 initially be announced as not having backwards compatibility and then they changed it due to demand?
Both touted backward compatibility albeit in different ways. The original PS3 effectively had ps2 hardware inside it and ran games on that (making it compatible with almost every game for the ps2 right away) whereas the xbox had software compatibility that emulated the original hardware and was only useful for a subset of the most popular games (but they added to that list of games every few months for the first year or two and you ended up with almost all of the decent sellers). Sony later on changed to software emulation as well and then later dropped it completely. I have no idea how the Wii and Wii U handle it but both are backward compatible with the previous generation.
I'm fine with them abandoning backward compatibility in new console production down the line but the XBone will likely need the stellar catalog of the 360 to keep people playing if previous console launches are any indication. From the initial hype of the 360 release, only Call of Duty 2 got any real mutliplayer action on my friends list and that game was mediocre at best (IIRC only a paltry 4v4 player limit). What did my friends play on the 360 multiplayer-wise before gears of war came out? They generally played Halo 2, Star Wars Battlefront 1&2, and Mechwarrior. Release or close to it games are generally mediocre as developers don't really have the expertise to know what they're doing yet with the tech. Backward compatibility helps bridge that gap for the demographic that is most likely to buy a console at or near release. People who want an expensive superduper cable box and high def web cam that somehow doesn't double as a DVR don't spend $500 to get it right away... they generally jump in after it drops another $100+ in price.
I've been incredibly happy with my decision to get a 360 despite my 6 hardware failures and applaud microsoft's decision to expand the demographic via Netflix, apps, etc while still catering (initially) to original xbox gamers while coming out with good game releases (with the exception of the initial release titles). I guess it was just too good to last. I only want a single machine for gaming each generation and the last two choices have been microsoft hardware... that won't be the case for the next unless things drastically change. I realize that I'm only one person but I've been a paying xbox live member for 9 years according to my bio and bought new at full retail price at least 3 dozen games, close to two dozen arcade games bought, probably 10-15 videos bought, hundreds of smaller microtransactions like DLC/gamerpics/etc, and hardware like the camera (used once!) and three extra controllers over the years plus a wifi adapter bought on top of the two consoles I bought (xbox and xbox 360). If they can afford to piss away that loyal of a customer, they must be in a good financial place indeed.
Oh, take no offense, it's just that I consider racing games to be as interesting as flight simulators. I just don't see why Forza is such an "WOAH LOOK AT THAT!" game. Does it have outstanding physics? I had to laugh at the presentation though...and so did the audience! Their praised feature of having your friend's cars ghosting / ghost lapping has been done by Trackmania a LONG time ago. So that's that.
Oh, take no offense, it's just that I consider racing games to be as interesting as flight simulators. I just don't see why Forza is such an "WOAH LOOK AT THAT!" game. Does it have outstanding physics? I had to laugh at the presentation though...and so did the audience! Their praised feature of having your friend's cars ghosting / ghost lapping has been done by Trackmania a LONG time ago. So that's that.
The rest of your post was wonderfully dismissive as well, so its hard not to take offense really.
And yes, Forza DOES have quite outstanding physics, and it is a great game. I thought the announcement of the game pulling profiled other races to race against rather than AI was a wonderful announcement.
Trackmania is literally a completely different sort of game than Forza or Gran Turiso; apples and oranges. They both have cars and tracks, that is where the similarities end. So that's that.
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Of course it was dismissive. Microsoft behaves like a total arsehole in regards to the Xbox one. No lending games. No used games. Forced Kinect. Paying publishers to not present their stuff at Sony conference. etc.
And their lineup is really weak. We can skip the non-exclusives and Halo, as the latter one will sell anyway. Ryse? Looks terrible. Awesome graphics, looked stunning. And then...combat happened. Looks more like an on-rails hack n slay. Quantum looks interesting. Again: nothing in regards to the gactual game. Disappointing. Panzer Dragoon? Heard it got good music.
I'm not getting any console either. My fiancee thought about getting a xbox because she loved her 360 (and I do...it's an awesome console!) but Microsoft really dropped the ball on this. They slapped gamers in their face and focus on the Xbox Done being a "living room consol"...that takes an entire shelf. We could not even fit it in our shelf where the Blu-Ray player is right now if you wanted the Kinect on top of it. And to top it all off, they overcharge EU customers by a HUGE amount and blatantly rip them off. The only good thing they did was the new Xbox Plus...uh, I mean "Gold" stuff. And if the only good thing is blatantly copying your competitor..well...
Microsoft still makes the best OS, by a long shot, but this year, they pull of a Sony and clearly lost E3 by a long shot.
@Forza: I wasn't comparing games. I was merely stating that this "brand new feature" has long been done before.
My only real concern is I hope 'use the smartglass to' doesn't equal 'smartglass is the only way to' as I'm not buying a bloody tablet or other tech with the system just to play certain games.
Just so you are aware Smartglass is just an app and runs on Android and IOS, as well as Windows devices. It is free. I just downloaded it on my Android phone and it is pretty cool.
Sigvatr wrote: Of course it was dismissive. Microsoft behaves like a total arsehole in regards to the Xbox one. No lending games. No used games. Forced Kinect. Paying publishers to not present their stuff at Sony conference. etc.
And their lineup is really weak. We can skip the non-exclusives and Halo, as the latter one will sell anyway. Ryse? Looks terrible. Awesome graphics, looked stunning. And then...combat happened. Looks more like an on-rails hack n slay. Quantum looks interesting. Again: nothing in regards to the gactual game. Disappointing. Panzer Dragoon? Heard it got good music.
Microsoft still makes the best OS, by a long shot, but this year, they pull of a Sony and clearly lost E3 by a long shot.
You can lend games, you can buy and sell used games. This has been debunked for over a week. You think Bungie did an exclusive for Sony out of the goodness of their heart? Both companies pay for presentations.
Now you are just being silly claiming the lineup was weak. Titanfall was amazing, Dead Rising 3 looked amazing.
What did PS4 show that was exclusive? Infamous and The Order. Grated the Order looked cool. But aside from showing a bunch of multi-platform games, ans indie games i could play on my phone they had a very weak exclusive lineup. Not a single game shown was a system seller. It's so funny, MS shows few games at their console reveal and people freak out. They bombard people with games at E3, and PS talks about media and shows a few games and suddenly Sony are the champons of the internet. IGN literally said "Games will come later' in regards to Sony. Can't be much more hypocritical after MS got bashed for weeks about a lack of games at the console reveal.
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Sigvatr wrote: Sony won, hands down. Better exclusive lineup, lending games is possible, no cyberspy, no arsehole-ish behavior (ie Microsoft bribing publishers) etc.
I just hope that all the CoD guys go buy an Xbox, that's the console for ZE DOODZ.
Xbox games looked terrible. Ryse is 100% QTE, Forza is vroom vrooooom, we still didnt see anything about the Quantum game and most major games are on both systems anyway. On the other side, we have Sony with Last of Us sweeping the entire starting lineup of the Xbone with a single strike.
...btw, did anyone see that Xbone design circlejerk video? just wow.
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Dead rising 3? Ok thanks
Pre-ordered xbox and paid.
Also pre-ordered Ryse, Dead rising 3 , Madden 25 and assassins creed.
The ps4 looks good but I like the Xbox better, excited about the nfl stuff.. ( I own Both a ps3 and a Xbox 360)
To call Sony the clear victor is stupid. The console wars are over, Microsoft and Sony can do what they want with no big effect to the other.
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LordofHats wrote: FF Versus 13, er sorry FF 15, Kingdom Hearts 3 (about damn time), and no bs. Sony wins
I kid. But serious Sony just showed they have some IQ points to take advantage of a rather glaring opening in the market. Good on them
Those aren't exclusive titles, sorry to burst your fanboy bubble.
Sigvatr wrote: Sony won, hands down. Better exclusive lineup, lending games is possible, no cyberspy, no arsehole-ish behavior (ie Microsoft bribing publishers) etc.
I just hope that all the CoD guys go buy an Xbox, that's the console for ZE DOODZ.
Xbox games looked terrible. Ryse is 100% QTE, Forza is vroom vrooooom, we still didnt see anything about the Quantum game and most major games are on both systems anyway. On the other side, we have Sony with Last of Us sweeping the entire starting lineup of the Xbone with a single strike.
...btw, did anyone see that Xbone design circlejerk video? just wow.
If I remember right, the last of us is, is a PS3 exclusive. Not PS4. So at the end of the day it does nothing to tempt me to buy a PS4 over an xboxone. If anything it makes me want to just get a PS3 I much prefer forza over gran turismo, and halo over killzone. In my opinion, Microsoft has the better exclusives, and then as you say, most major games are available on both, so its the exclusives that sell the consoles.
However saying that, the cheaper price and all the issues around game lending and online connection means Sony is getting my money this time around. If Microsoft maybe changed there policies though, I would definitely get one.
Necroshea wrote: Finally got a look at Ryse gameplay. That...is a lot of QTE's
I was thinking that too; but after hearing the developers talk today I'm a bit reassured.
Apparently the QTEs are triggered by certain combinations of blocking/attacking which open up the QTEs when surrounded by multiple enemies.
It was their take on the Arkham City style of gameplay where counters are extremely powerful and easy to perform. It was also mentioned as well that "the controller is what makes you feel like a warrior, but the Kinect is how you feel like a general" and would not elaborate beyond saying that "The Romans did not become the force they were by being lone wolves. It was discipline and coordination, and we'll be showing you how that plays into our game within the coming months".
Slarg232 wrote: So you guys know that PrisM bill and how the Xbox One apparently won't spy on you?
Turns out the Xbox Store site is secured by Verizon, which also signed the Prism bill as you know.
Take that as you will.
Verisign is not Verizon.
Might be shopped, but there it is
I would be more worried about Facebook and Twitter than the Xbox website--even if they were being secured by "We're Totally Not the CIA Cyber Security"
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Still was not impressed. Guess I'm just becoming a cranky gamer after leaving my teens, but I'm starting to look more for innovation than just rehashed concepts. QTE's are done to death, sync kills/takedowns are neat and fairly new, but I've played two batman games to death for them to be fresh anymore. The voice commands in game is neat, but they did that in...advanced war fighter? Don't remember. That and the setting seems just like more god of war.
Not saying its trash before it's released, but it just looks stale to me. Much like titanfall.
Speaking of titan stuff, they need a war on titan kind of game. Sorta like shadow of the colossus, but of course horribly gritty and dark.
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Advanced Warfighter did not have voice commands(at least that I remember); that was Tom Clancy's EndWar. Mass Effect 3 had it as well with the Kinect.
I was also put off by the setting originally, being very irked at the Romans besieging a full on stone fortress in Dover(the historical inaccuracies! argh!) but when they explained that they have their own mythos and a bit of a supernatural twist that will be explored in the months leading up to the game's release I felt a bit better.
I do really think your statement about God of War is right on the money--I think this is Microsoft's attempt to add a God of War styled hack and slash exclusive to their line-up.
Kanluwen wrote: Advanced Warfighter did not have voice commands(at least that I remember); that was Tom Clancy's EndWar. Mass Effect 3 had it as well with the Kinect.
I was also put off by the setting originally, being very irked at the Romans besieging a full on stone fortress in Dover(the historical inaccuracies! argh!) but when they explained that they have their own mythos and a bit of a supernatural twist that will be explored in the months leading up to the game's release I felt a bit better.
I do really think your statement about God of War is right on the money--I think this is Microsoft's attempt to add a God of War styled hack and slash exclusive to their line-up.
Ah yes, endwar, that was it.
Fair point, I just wish if they were going to do a hack and slash not make it the smallest side step away from god of war. Perhaps a d&d inspired one like Demon stone. Man that game was awesome in so many ways. Hard as hell too.
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Slarg232 wrote: So you guys know that PrisM bill and how the Xbox One apparently won't spy on you?
Turns out the Xbox Store site is secured by Verizon, which also signed the Prism bill as you know.
Take that as you will.
Verisign is not Verizon.
Might be shopped, but there it is
I would be more worried about Facebook and Twitter than the Xbox website--even if they were being secured by "We're Totally Not the CIA Cyber Security"
Obviously being spied on by Tom is better than being spied on by Jerry, huh?
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