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 Pacific wrote:
Yes, I saw you in it already attempting to troll

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nomotog wrote:
You know. I might be the only one, but I'm kind of excited for the kinect now because it looks like it actually works and it can do all this stuff like measure your heart beat and facial expressions. That's kind of neat. I have an idea for a game that's like a first person game and rather then having a dialog system you would just make faces and that would trigger different responses from your avatar. So if someone said something stupid and you gave them a look then your character might make a sarcastic comment about what is going on, or if you chuckle they chuckle, if your surprised they are surprised too. It would be kind of neat to have your FP avatar respond in thew same way you are.

Another aspect is just game tailoring. It knows when your happy, scared or excited so you could have a game that when you laugh at an off color joke puts in more off color jokes, or if you don't laugh it cuts out the funny stuff. Maybe a horror game that tracks your heart rate to create the exact right scare. Heck it can even do things as simple as fast forwarding a cut-scene when your console hears you yawn.

Remember when they demoed the first Kinect? Remember the first time we saw the PlayStation Move? Remember when we first saw the Wii? They looked like they worked too. I highly doubt its improved much.

I also agree that if Sony hadn't seen Microsoft's PR failure as an opportunity to twist the knife in their back, they would have done the same thing. Time will tell if they try to pull it off down the line, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Also, are we actually buying xbone games now, or are we still buying a "license" to use them? That was a big source of outrage and I haven't seen if it's changed or not.

It's so hard to be an optimist in this day and age.

Gitzbitah wrote:
Depends what the ongoing support for the 360 is like or whether it gets dropped like a stone in favour of the new shiny thing. I personally would never buy any console at launch, purely because the prices are outrageous - I would rather wait a bit till the tech beds in and prices fall.

Having said all that, there was a rumour doing the rounds recently that the delay/shift in the GTA 5 release date was because Rockstar were planning to make it Xbox One only rather than release on the 360. I really hope that isn't the case.

I dunno about GTA but Titanfall and AC4 will be on the 360, and those are the only two near-future games I'm really interested in. I'm finally jumping on the Skyrim bandwagon so that'll keep me busy for quite a while!

MrMoustaffa wrote:Also, are we actually buying xbone games now, or are we still buying a "license" to use them? That was a big source of outrage and I haven't seen if it's changed or not.

We're buying the games. It's going back to the normal, sensible disc-based format we have currently.

I just hope some of the cloud stuff still comes through, I liked where that might have gone.

In general for me though this was pretty damn wrapped up tight for a launch console, with the changes its pretty much a certainty.

Still waiting for a launch line up mind.

What irks me the most, however, is the way Microsoft handled the entire issue. I have never seen such an arrogant, ignorant and downright insulting attitude towards customers before. That one older dude who gave interviews after E3...wow. I wish I could hit him straight in the face. A lot.

I have, SONY just before the launch of the PS3, and their abandoning of European gamers in favour of Japan.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have, SONY just before the launch of the PS3, and their abandoning of European gamers in favour of Japan.

I'd say that having the Sony president tell people to simply work more hours to afford the $599 playstation 3 ranks right up with the Microsoft VP telling people to just buy a 360 if they don't like the 24 hour check-in DRM.

 warboss wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have, SONY just before the launch of the PS3, and their abandoning of European gamers in favour of Japan.

I'd say that having the Sony president tell people to simply work more hours to afford the $599 playstation 3 ranks right up with the Microsoft VP telling people to just buy a 360 if they don't like the 24 hour check-in DRM.

Fun fact: the guy responsible for bad press with the PS3 is the same guy that's now in charge for the Xbox 180. Make of that what ya want.

I will be buying the Xbox One because I simply prefer it lol.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have, SONY just before the launch of the PS3, and their abandoning of European gamers in favour of Japan.

I'd say that having the Sony president tell people to simply work more hours to afford the $599 playstation 3 ranks right up with the Microsoft VP telling people to just buy a 360 if they don't like the 24 hour check-in DRM.

Fun fact: the guy responsible for bad press with the PS3 is the same guy that's now in charge for the Xbox 180. Make of that what ya want.

If this is true, then Epic Failure!

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
I will be buying the Xbox One because I simply prefer it lol.

How can you prefer it already? Other than difference in controllers and Kinect, the only real difference between consoles at this point is how stupid their policies are. Because honestly, consoles are so powerful at this point that any more improvements to hardware isn't really accomplishing anything new. As for all the multimedia stuff, we already have a cable box and blue ray players, we don't need our game console for that.

I can sympathize with the controller issue though. I'm going to miss my Xbox 360 controller

but that's really all the one has going for it in my opinion. Halo isn't the same without Bungie and Gears of War got stale ages ago. It doesn't have anything I can't get on PC or PS4 at this point.

I'm legitimately curious, is there something I don't know about the Xbox one?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
I will be buying the Xbox One because I simply prefer it lol.

How can you prefer it already? Other than difference in controllers and Kinect, the only real difference between consoles at this point is how stupid their policies are. Because honestly, consoles are so powerful at this point that any more improvements to hardware isn't really accomplishing anything new. As for all the multimedia stuff, we already have a cable box and blue ray players, we don't need our game console for that.

I can sympathize with the controller issue though. I'm going to miss my Xbox 360 controller

but that's really all the one has going for it in my opinion. Halo isn't the same without Bungie and Gears of War got stale ages ago. It doesn't have anything I can't get on PC or PS4 at this point.

I'm legitimately curious, is there something I don't know about the Xbox one?

Wat. Unless you are referring to PC's being more powerful then these machines.. I have no clue what you are talking about.

Also,
The controller pretty much seals the deal for me anyway. (If I do end up getting a new console at all).

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
I will be buying the Xbox One because I simply prefer it lol.

How can you prefer it already? Other than difference in controllers and Kinect, the only real difference between consoles at this point is how stupid their policies are. Because honestly, consoles are so powerful at this point that any more improvements to hardware isn't really accomplishing anything new. As for all the multimedia stuff, we already have a cable box and blue ray players, we don't need our game console for that.

I can sympathize with the controller issue though. I'm going to miss my Xbox 360 controller

but that's really all the one has going for it in my opinion. Halo isn't the same without Bungie and Gears of War got stale ages ago. It doesn't have anything I can't get on PC or PS4 at this point.

I'm legitimately curious, is there something I don't know about the Xbox one?

Titanfall Nuff said.

Moustaffa's right about hardware power. We've pretty much peaked in terms of graphical capability, all that's left is advances in software.

I was saying at this point that specs don't really matter. Any shinier graphics doesn't really accomplish much besides eat up processing power and pretty much anything but 500 player per side battles you can probably pull off with the next wave. For practical purposes it doesn't really matter anymore. Yes, PC's will still be more powerful but will you really notice a difference anymore? Yeah we can get more fancy visual effects but do we really need more stuff like motion blur, bloom lighting, and glare effects? At this point all that really matters is what games each platform has and what features make it worth buying over the others.

Also, Titanfall is Xbone only? Dang that sucks, that game looked awesome.

I can totally respect the controller thing though. After 10 years of xboxes its going to be rough for me to switch to a new scheme.

The PS4 is more capable than the XBox 180° in terms of hardware.

Oh, any to burst your bubble, for Titanfall isn't an exclusive title. It also comes for PC...and the 360.

Glorious master race, unite!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I was saying at this point that specs don't really matter. Any shinier graphics doesn't really accomplish much besides eat up processing power and pretty much anything but 500 player per side battles you can probably pull off with the next wave. For practical purposes it doesn't really matter anymore. Yes, PC's will still be more powerful but will you really notice a difference anymore? Yeah we can get more fancy visual effects but do we really need more stuff like motion blur, bloom lighting, and glare effects? At this point all that really matters is what games each platform has and what features make it worth buying over the others.

Also, Titanfall is Xbone only? Dang that sucks, that game looked awesome.

I can totally respect the controller thing though. After 10 years of xboxes its going to be rough for me to switch to a new scheme.

Ah, that's what you meant. When it comes to choosing between PS4 and XBO then yes, hardware is a non-issue to me. However, I would add that the tech hasn't peaked out by far, I want that stuff to keep improving... for occulus rift purposes.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Moustaffa's right about hardware power. We've pretty much peaked in terms of graphical capability, all that's left is advances in software.

Not really. You may not prioritize the graphics but this upcoming set of consoles will be the first to output in true native 1080p for most games (almost all of the current games out are just upscaled to 1080p right now from 720) whereas 4k (so 4000p roughly) TVs are just starting to hit the market at affordable costs. The next leap in graphics is already at the doorstep.

 warboss wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Moustaffa's right about hardware power. We've pretty much peaked in terms of graphical capability, all that's left is advances in software.

Not really. You may not prioritize the graphics but this upcoming set of consoles will be the first to output in true native 1080p for most games (almost all of the current games out are just upscaled to 1080p right now from 720) whereas 4k (so 4000p roughly) TVs are just starting to hit the market at affordable costs. The next leap in graphics is already at the doorstep.

Wait so I have to upgrade my TV again. Gah! It took me almost the entire last console cycle to upgrade to my current 720p. Oddly that upgrade had the effect of making some games look worse because I could see things wrong I couldn't before. Though I really really really hope that devs don't spend all their ram on graphical fidelity. I would rather they spend it on things like more advance AI and larger levels.

 warboss wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Moustaffa's right about hardware power. We've pretty much peaked in terms of graphical capability, all that's left is advances in software.

Not really. You may not prioritize the graphics but this upcoming set of consoles will be the first to output in true native 1080p for most games (almost all of the current games out are just upscaled to 1080p right now from 720) whereas 4k (so 4000p roughly) TVs are just starting to hit the market at affordable costs. The next leap in graphics is already at the doorstep.

But how much of this will actually be noticeable? And like nomotog said, at this point the graphics are realistic enough that enhancing them further really is just a waste of RAM. The games already look real, the processing power should be going towards making them feel and act real.

nomotog wrote:
Though I really really really hope that devs don't spend all their ram on graphical fidelity. I would rather they spend it on things like more advance AI and larger levels.

For that the consoles need more cpu power and memory. At least the coming consoles are going up to 8GB of shared memory.

You never have to upgrade as its a luxury, not a necessity. If anything, no current mainstream channels transmit in 4k and neither does blu ray and likely the upcoming consoles will be mediocre at best at 4k gaming. It's basically the same as 1080p was at the beginning of the current generation. The ps3 supported it but the xbox didn't (capped out at 1080i) but it was largely a bullet point with no real meaning as the consoles generally didn't have the RAM and cpu/gpu horsepower to put out fancy 1080p graphics anyways and just upscaled the lower res 720p up to 1080 similar how they make normal dvd's a bit crisper on HDTVs. I believe the sony debut mentioned supporting 4k video (but no mention of games) and the MS one said they'd do 4k games but, again, see above. That "support" can be changed with software updates and can be largely meaningless.




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 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Moustaffa's right about hardware power. We've pretty much peaked in terms of graphical capability, all that's left is advances in software.

Not really. You may not prioritize the graphics but this upcoming set of consoles will be the first to output in true native 1080p for most games (almost all of the current games out are just upscaled to 1080p right now from 720) whereas 4k (so 4000p roughly) TVs are just starting to hit the market at affordable costs. The next leap in graphics is already at the doorstep.

But how much of this will actually be noticeable? And like nomotog said, at this point the graphics are realistic enough that enhancing them further really is just a waste of RAM. The games already look real, the processing power should be going towards making them feel and act real.

My guess is that the true upper limit of resolution that we'll see in consumer products is the "resolution" that the average human eye can differentiate. Despite what the name would indicate, the "retina" display on apple products is still under what the eye can discern. Everything you said above was pretty much being said as well at the beginning of the current generation regarding HD gaming as well. Don't get me wrong.. I agree that they should focus on making the games feel/act better and I don't plan on upgrading my 1080p TV to 4k any time in the next 5 years... but we definitely haven't peaked. PC games right now blow 1080p resolution out of the water and pc gamers play those 2-3ft away from the screen and yet still demand MOAR GRAPHIX!

I guess, but it still seems like we're hitting a point of diminishing returns there, where even if we can make the graphics slightly better, it just isn't really worth it.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I guess, but it still seems like we're hitting a point of diminishing returns there, where even if we can make the graphics slightly better, it just isn't really worth it.

It's all about the frame rate + graphics bro.

 Soladrin wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I guess, but it still seems like we're hitting a point of diminishing returns there, where even if we can make the graphics slightly better, it just isn't really worth it.

It's all about the frame rate + graphics bro.

...cue in PC master race

PC has always been and will always be the leading platform when it comes to graphics. Where consoles should shine is local multiplayer. Nintendo got it right. For all next gen consoles... I mean...just buy a controller and play the same game on PC. Better graphics, mods etc. The Xbox 180° tries to be a multimedia console but fails at it since it blocks all but US users from using the features and everyone already got a Blu-Ray player to begin with.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I guess, but it still seems like we're hitting a point of diminishing returns there, where even if we can make the graphics slightly better, it just isn't really worth it.

I would sat not only have we reached that point, but we have passed it. I think we could make better games more effectively if we pull back the graphics and put that money into the game.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I guess, but it still seems like we're hitting a point of diminishing returns there, where even if we can make the graphics slightly better, it just isn't really worth it.

It's all about the frame rate + graphics bro.

...cue in PC master race

PC has always been and will always be the leading platform when it comes to graphics. Where consoles should shine is local multiplayer. Nintendo got it right. For all next gen consoles... I mean...just buy a controller and play the same game on PC. Better graphics, mods etc. The Xbox 180° tries to be a multimedia console but fails at it since it blocks all but US users from using the features and everyone already got a Blu-Ray player to begin with.

I don't have a blue ray player and I see no reason to get one.

I kind of like seeing graphics continue to improve in every way imaginable.

I'm with Soladrin on the Blu-Ray, I only know one person who has one and there's pretty much no conceivable reason to get one. On an HDTV the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD is so trivial that if you're worrying that much about picture quality, you're probably not going to enjoy what you're watching either way. Being able to see the fibers in some guy's shirt doesn't change the movie you're watching.