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So I have a list I'd like to improve on, but I'm not sure what to get next

Captain, interchangeable weapons
5 Death Company w interchangeable packs
20 Tactical Marines w interchangeable special weapons
20 Assault Marines
10 Devistator Marines, they have yet to be built, so weapons are not set
1 Rhino
1 Baal Predator, magnetized weapons
1 Furioso Dreadnaught, interchangeable Blood Talons and Fists
1 Drop Pod

Any suggestions on where to go from here? I don't want a super competitive, WAAC list, just a good, solid all around list to have fun with. Thanks.

Earlier priority: I'd get a librarian and magnetize the devastator marines. On the devastators if you don't magnetize I'd start with 4 missile launchers and 4 plasma cannons, that's personal preference granted.

Later: Assault Terminator's with TH/SS

Assault Termies are just hard to kill. Librarians are better HQs generally than Captains for the BA, but you can certainly still use the Captain and get a feel for him.

The other thing you can do: Proxy for now, and see what feels good. If you proxy something a few times and like it, get it. If you hate it, you didn't waste money.

I haven't actually used BA devs in a while now. Fast vehicles are just better most of the time.

I only have the captain because it was a gift, but I probably will end up getting a librarian. (Mephiston?)

Amen on the termies. Our FNP terms are super awesome.

Amen to the librarian and Mephiston. take one of each at 2000 points and you'll do great.

also, I like devs a lot. Take 4 special weapons in a 10 man squad and then combat squad with special weapons 2 and 2. more shots at more targets and more bullet sponges to keep the big guns alive.

BA aren't competitive. Any yet, I'm not an idiot, and neither is the entire crew over at 11th Company. If you listen to podcasts like theirs on tournament play, you find that loyalist marines have a lot of problems operating on their own.

Regardless of the excuses and hand-wringing, most of the units in the BA codex are overcosted for 6th edition. This is demonstrably true, especially looking at the DA codex. There is no way to use "tactics" or "strategy" to make up for this issue, since if your opponent uses equal "tactics" with a better costed codex, they will have an advantage again.

Mephiston is real feast or famine. He's a huge gamble since he's a big stick that can't crack 2+ armor and not a force multiplier like a divination libby.

The guys at 11th company are great and certainly not idiots.... They will also tell you I fished 2nd at their tournament at X-con last year playing pure BA.

And the guys from Scatterdie will tell you I won the last tournament in Atlanta play BA/BT. (yes, black templar...I know its insane)

Moral of the story is that BA are a quality second tier army... Are we GK or IG? no... better than SW and DA? absolutely, every day.

as it relates to your comment though... I agree GW has made 6th ed. a very non-imperial edition. Marines are an uphill battle. Frankly, that's totally OK... about time.

If it's fun you're after, I'd recommend a few Assault Bikes with Multi Meltas. Fast, tough, and you can move 24'' a turn with them, stick to cover and blow up the biggest tank you can find on turn 2. Other than that I'd agree with the others, Assault Terminators or Devastators with Missile Launchers.



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And Sanguinary Priests with Jump Packs. You can never have too many Sanguinary Priests with Jump Packs.

Just curious, what do you field to come to the conclusion that BA are better than SW or DA? I feel that both of those lists are are at least a little better than BA. Especially SW. Grey hunters basically = BA lose.

Also, what does "quality second-tier" mean? I mean weren't not the GK, IG, Eldar, Tau, Necrons, CSM, or Orks.

In all honesty I haven't yet had a game against either Space Wolves or the latest Dark Angel codex, so I'm not the best source for information on what's a better army, but when I do get a game against either army, a Baal Predator with the flamestorm cannon would be the most valuable thing I could bring to the field.

Well, yes, I realize that. But does the Baal /w flamestorm go in my TAC list?

Most definitely, it will find a way to wreck havoc against pretty much any army you come up against

Martel732 wrote:
Well, yes, I realize that. But does the Baal /w flamestorm go in my TAC list?

Oh yeah, they're pretty good. It has the armor of a Predator, its a Fast Attack vehicle, scout moves, and a sick flame weapon that does really good up against MEq.

diepotato47 wrote:
Most definitely, it will find a way to wreck havoc against pretty much any army you come up against

Well, not Necron air force. But I'll consider it. Of course, I have no clue what I'm going to throw out of my lists to make room for this thing. Seems like a bit of a suicide tank.

I'd like some more input.

Yes, I know BA Captains don't do well, and I wanted a Termie Libby for a while now. Should I field him with the Assault Termies? If I do so, can the Libby deep strike with them? Or does he have to be on the board first?

So many questions :/

 BattleCapIronblood wrote:
I only have the captain because it was a gift, but I probably will end up getting a librarian. (Mephiston?)

Personally mephiston reads good on paper, but hes is vastly overated. Can't join a squad and no invulne(also not eternal if i remember i may be wrong).


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 BattleCapIronblood wrote:
I'd like some more input.

Yes, I know BA Captains don't do well, and I wanted a Termie Libby for a while now. Should I field him with the Assault Termies? If I do so, can the Libby deep strike with them? Or does he have to be on the board first?

So many questions :/

Corbulo goes well with these guys, 2+ FNP for himself and i think his is 4+ for his squad. just put them in a land Raider.


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Martel732 wrote:
Just curious, what do you field to come to the conclusion that BA are better than SW or DA? I feel that both of those lists are are at least a little better than BA. Especially SW. Grey hunters basically = BA lose.

Also, what does "quality second-tier" mean? I mean weren't not the GK, IG, Eldar, Tau, Necrons, CSM, or Orks.

Everything really just comes down to how the dice fall. you can make your list so your more likely to do better but in the end it is still possible to roll all ones. i have only lost once to a SW army and that was because i made a big mistake. still didn't loose till after the Sanguinor personally wiped out half of his army. and as for necrons still haven't lost a game to them and again one the first turn the sanguinor wiped out 3 troop choices by him self. (turn one (i went first) sanguinor charges into close combat killes a few guys they make there moral check. Enemys turn charge in with two more warrior squads (with special characters) sanguinor kills 5 and takes no wounds. He fails his leadership on all 3 squads and falls back. sanguior sweeps the squad with all of his specials killing them, he cant regroup because sanguinor chases them off the board. half his army gone by turn two.