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I think there should be a thread for this already but as I don't see one in the first bunch of pages I will start this one right now.

As 6th has made filers a real and awesome new form of tactic and power, I need to get something to used with my Marines and really don't know what is the right option, both points wise and money.

The Stormraven seems to the boss, big and nasty, full of threats and rather survivable, the transportation is also a nice feature. However I feel like its got those Land Raider problems: its great till it dies and when it does thats alot of points going up in smoke. It should also be noted that its almost twice as costly (money wise) then the Talon.

The Stormtalon seems like a bigger badder Landspeeder, which seems like a great idea to me. Its fast, rather cheap (if loaded out properly) and can do tank/flyer hunting as well as crowd control. I just worry if it can't do enough, I will be laying out about $50 for this thing and I will most likely want two at least so I really want to make sure it can hold its own. I have really not seen many people play them even though I hear people say they are good, so I just can't help but worry that they will be "ok" but not great.

Thoughts? The Big Turkey or the Speedy Duck?

Two questions for you, vanilla marines? And what is the rest of the list you typically run? In a vacuum I'd take the Raven all day personally. However it all counts for nothing, if it doesn't synergize well with your list.

Vanilla marines mostly, though I change up with my BA and BT sometimes. Anyway my list changes around quite a bit, I have to leaning towards a speed over power lists but I could fit either in pretty well. Talon for speed and Raven for power, I don;t think the Raven's transportation is to good as if its shot down then the team inside will be tore up bad. But its still good as bad ass killing machine

 Ecstasy in Service wrote:
Vanilla marines mostly, though I change up with my BA and BT sometimes. Anyway my list changes around quite a bit, I have to leaning towards a speed over power lists but I could fit either in pretty well. Talon for speed and Raven for power, I don;t think the Raven's transportation is to good as if its shot down then the team inside will be tore up bad. But its still good as bad ass killing machine

Never take the Raven for its transport capabilities. As for which would be best for your list, it is hard to say without any more specifics. Maybe the talon because it is cheaper, and requires less building around.

I have one talon, it does OK. It, plus the ADL quadgun, make for the AA in my list. When I don't need to shoot down flyers, it does a nice job strafing ground targets. I use the skyhammers for what it's worth. While a second one would be nice, I find that one fits nicely in a TAC list.

One thing to consider is how you value FOC slots. If you want two talons, you only have one free FA slot unless you go 2xFOC. Do you have a free HS slot? The raven pack a lot of punch into one slot, but you need to have one.

Ravens look to be very nice gunboats. I would run them empty. Fully loaded is just too many points in reserve. A scout squad for a late game objective grab would probably be my limit. While the Raven looks to be a stronger choice, it is more expensive. Harder to just toss into a list. But from a points/slots to carnage ratio, I think it's better.

Looks worse though, but that's just my option.

You can get two Stormtalons for not much more than a sponson Stormraven. I think they are the better buy atm.

Martel732 wrote:
You can get two Stormtalons for not much more than a sponson Stormraven. I think they are the better buy atm.

Especially if you have other reserves, using their escort rule.

2 Stormtalons with Skyhammers is my best advice. I have played with both flyers and i believe this is the best TAC answer
Last game they handled 6 necron flyers and practically won me the game..

After death from the SKies, reduced cost and strafing run make a huge difference..

I'd go with a Skyhammer Stormtalon. Spend the points saved on a Thunderfire. The extra cost of the Stormraven is less of an issue than taking up Heavy Support slots which are home to the best anti-infantry weapon at your disposal.

Do you have any deep striking/ outflanking units? The storm talon can escort an outflanking unit (make ONE reserve roll, the storm talon comes on within 6" of where the unit entered).

I'd agree that with fliers, it's better to have 2 cheaper ones, than one big one. Because 1, if your reserve roll goes funky on your single flier, it might not come in till turn 4, you have better odds of getting at least one in if you have 2 cheap ones. Also, a lucky shot will down a expencive one almost as easilly as a cheap one, so for redundancy's sake, i'd say its better to have 2 cheap ones.

Thanks for the feedback guys, it would seem that (like I thought) having two cheaper units is better then one big one which can be killed with one lucky shot, at least this way it takes two lucky shots.

I see in my future a Talon or two, with a Raven maybe later, thanks again!

I agree with the above posters, 2 stormtallons with skyhammer missile launchers is the best way to go.

I don't remember the numbers I ran on skyhammer vs typhoon. I seem to remember liking the typhoon a bit better, but I don't know if its worth the pts.

TechMarine1 wrote:
Do you have any deep striking/ outflanking units? The storm talon can escort an outflanking unit (make ONE reserve roll, the storm talon comes on within 6" of where the unit entered).

I believe the current rules forbid escorting deep striking or outflanking units.

Well, remember that the Raven comes with 4 S8 AP2 missiles. The Talon does not. However, the Transport capacity is a waste unless you really want to hover, mainly because the Skies of Fury rule is terrible.

Seems to be a stupid question, but do BA even have Storm Talon? o_O

No, the BA do not to my knowledge.

 Nevelon wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:
Do you have any deep striking/ outflanking units? The storm talon can escort an outflanking unit (make ONE reserve roll, the storm talon comes on within 6" of where the unit entered).

I believe the current rules forbid escorting deep striking or outflanking units.

Checked the rules again on my ipad...they can't (thanks for catching me on that)

 McNinja wrote:
Well, remember that the Raven comes with 4 S8 AP2 missiles. The Talon does not. However, the Transport capacity is a waste unless you really want to hover, mainly because the Skies of Fury rule is terrible.

... but the raven is nearly twice the cost, especially if fully tooled out. The talon can of course take a TL lascannon if you need the potential to kill heavier armour, but that reduces it's overall utility over the skyhammer/assualt cannon combo.

Single flyers are always a risk and running at least pairs seems to be a far better route as limited interceptors will then not kill all your flyers in one go. 2 talons are better than 1 raven and 50 points elsewhere I feel, but why not go for 2 talons and a raven as they are in different slots? The raven's transport ability is not great, but you can squeeze a 5 man scout squad in there for late game objective snatching.

Storm talon has +1 BS against ground targets and weapons are pinning.

If only they didn't both look so ugly! The Storm Talon in particular I think is perhaps the worst single current-generation GW model...

 Hedgehog wrote:
If only they didn't both look so ugly! The Storm Talon in particular I think is perhaps the worst single current-generation GW model...

Well one's a flying toaster with wings cut from a cardboard box, the other's a metal potato with guns and an engine.