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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 13:12:49
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In the Kill Team format, each model becomes their own unit. So would it be correct that Necrons could not use their RP, since each model that takes a wound would also eliminate the "entire" unit of 1?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 13:27:29
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thats about right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 13:36:04
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Huge Hierodule
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Without a house rule, only ever-living models would get to use RP rolls. Kill team games are usually moderated or just between friends, however, so you can probably come to an agreeable conclusion (perhaps they only get to create RP tokens if they are within 6" of a standing necron, as one possible house rule example).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 13:39:36
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, I am trying to find a team for a tournament using the Kill Team Event Pack 2013 rules. I am not sure what, if any house rules will be in play so am looking for possible options under RAW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 15:54:04
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Huge Hierodule
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Well as RAW states that once an entire unit is dead all RP tokens are lost, and the Kill Team packet states that each model counts as it's own unit...I think you have your answer there.
If you want a competitive kill team using necrons that doesnt' rely on coming back from the dead, I suggest getting a team of 5 wraiths, 1 with a particle caster and 2 with whip coils for a total of exactly 200 points. Each wraith has the speed, armor/invulnerable save, and combat effectiveness to systematically dispatch enemy units one at a time with no trouble. You can gang-up on tougher units you might encounter, such as dreadnoughts and a riptide.
Overall I think wraiths are the best way to go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 23:57:22
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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Dakka Veteran
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The kill team rules have a way of making formerly terrible units really good, and vice versa. For instance, all units with grenades are pretty awesome, since now each model can throw a grenade per turn. Also, models with low morale are now not nearly as big of a deal, and items that are AoE, and normally effect only 1 model from each unit can be devastating in a kill team game in certain circumstances. For instance, grey knights and their psychic brotherhood deal kept powers that kill psykers from killing more than 1. With this system, such a power could wipe every one of them off the map.
The specialist stuff also makes things way different.
Just off the top of my head, the sort of things you could do:
3 Kabalite Trueborn w/ Blasters
1 Kabalite Trueborn w/ Splinter Cannon & Fleshbane
1 Kabalite Trueborn w/ Splinter Cannon w/ Preferred enemy(Everything!)
1 Venom(dedicated transport) with shrouded, splinter cannon, and night shields = 75 pts
TOTAL: 200 points
This list would give you a team with a transport that has 12 4+ splinter shots, 4 rerollable(hit & wound) 4+ splinter shots, 4 2+ splinter shots, a 3+ cover save, a 5++ save, reduces the range of weapons fired at it by 6, and 3 S8 AP2 Lance shots in case your opponent managed to squeeze dreads, termies, or other mech into a 200 point list.
Lots of wierd things you can do with those rules. I personally find them pretty interesting.
Popping Shrouded onto a reaver jetbike ends up giving you a 2+ cover save in open ground, which is nice. With 200 points, you could have 14 wyches w/haywire grenades, plasma grenades, and a Hekatrix with a power weapon and fleshbane. Lots of possibilities.
Oh, I play DE. lol
Other dex's offer up some interesting choices as well. Harpies can actually be pretty good from the CD codex. They're super-cheap, fast, and have good profiles with the exception of leadership. Since they're also basically fearless(daemonic instability), their low leadership will rarely matter. Speaking of CD, pink horrors could be ridiculously effective. For 196 points, you get 19 psykers that all have wychfire powers from the change discipline, 1 of which has greater rewards of chaos. Basically, all of the "Brotherhood of Psykers/Sorcerers" units could be made to break the game with those rules, unless I missed something disallowing them.
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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 00:18:34
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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I played a Kill Teams game with a split unit of Deathmarks and Scarabs...... pretty terrifying. If you rare using the new IA 12 the scarabs in there will doom most units pretty quickly.
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ADD causes my posts to ramble from time to time. Please bear with me.
You're not a Time Lord stick with linear time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 01:05:10
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Huge Hierodule
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How are scarabs from the Orpheus book different from codec scarabs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 01:10:48
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Disguised Speculo
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This is something that has to be house ruled. The Painboy is another example ~ he confers FNP on his unit, but what good is that if he no longer has a unit?
I imagine a compromise would be that any models within x" count as being one unit for the purposes of stuff like this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 01:36:44
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 01:38:52
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Better at CC loose entropic strike gain shred and rending.
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ADD causes my posts to ramble from time to time. Please bear with me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 13:32:50
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Huge Hierodule
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Has anybody scanned a copy of a blank Leader Record Sheet from this event anywhere? I really could use something like that for the local group of 40K players I organize.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 14:09:44
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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Necrons get their RP but things that confer special rules to his unit like painboys no longer work. (If you use RAW)
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:03:00
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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A GumyBear wrote:Necrons get their RP but things that confer special rules to his unit like painboys no longer work. (If you use RAW)
Wrong, please see the rest of this thread as to why you are wrong
A unit cannot make ANY RP rolls if the unit is awaiting RP rolls entire. A unit of one, when down, cannot make a RP roll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:30:27
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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nosferatu1001 wrote: A GumyBear wrote:Necrons get their RP but things that confer special rules to his unit like painboys no longer work. (If you use RAW)
Wrong, please see the rest of this thread as to why you are wrong
A unit cannot make ANY RP rolls if the unit is awaiting RP rolls entire. A unit of one, when down, cannot make a RP roll.
Except the GW FAQ for 2013 Kill Teams rules state that models with RP also have EL.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:32:14
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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nosferatu1001 wrote: A GumyBear wrote:Necrons get their RP but things that confer special rules to his unit like painboys no longer work. (If you use RAW)
Wrong, please see the rest of this thread as to why you are wrong
A unit cannot make ANY RP rolls if the unit is awaiting RP rolls entire. A unit of one, when down, cannot make a RP roll.
Wrong, please see the faq as to why you are wrong
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170054a_Kill_Team_Update_April_2013.pdf
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:32:15
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, please see the rest of this thread as to why you are wrong
A unit cannot make ANY RP rolls if the unit is awaiting RP rolls entire. A unit of one, when down, cannot make a RP roll.
Wrong, please see the rest of this thread as to why you are wrong
Read the thread and follow the linked provided....
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ADD causes my posts to ramble from time to time. Please bear with me.
You're not a Time Lord stick with linear time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:33:55
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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Jeez all the responses to that one quote
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:34:30
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So in this specific event they get EL?
Or is that a general change? The way i read the links (being blocked at work from accessing GW...) is that this is an event specific FAQ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:34:34
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Huge Hierodule
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It's rare to catch nosferatu in a mistake... edit to add: The OP was referring to a specific variant using the Kill Team Packet -- as the FAQ applies to that packet, then in this particular instance (where to be honest you'll only find squads of 1 model using the RP rule) the necrons gain the ever living rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:35:13
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Also not really that rare
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:36:22
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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It is an official update to the events pack in which the Kill Teams Rules are drawn from.
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ADD causes my posts to ramble from time to time. Please bear with me.
You're not a Time Lord stick with linear time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:38:09
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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nosferatu1001 wrote:So in this specific event they get EL?
Or is that a general change? The way i read the links (being blocked at work from accessing GW...) is that this is an event specific FAQ
The event specific rules deals with how the Kill Team rules work in accordance with 6th edition. This covers things such as which special rules can be taken by Specialists, and how to deal with things that have to start in reseves (such as Flyers and Drop Pods). If I were to play Kill Teams I would use the rules from the event as the older rules lead to some issues (for example a model being a "Specialist Daemon").
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:38:21
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So, it IS an event specific update, and not an update to the generally released rules?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:41:57
Subject: Re:Kill Team / RP tokens
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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The rules as presented are an event specific set of rules. There have been no updates to the Kill Teams rules since Battle Missions if you do not use those rules.
Edit: Not entirely true there have been other events but the ones linked above solve some major issues that the combination of Kill Teams and 6th create.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 15:47:00
Subject: Kill Team / RP tokens
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Correct. It is rules for an event based off the (partially defunct) rules from Battle Missions. IMO the rules work better as they are updated for 6th edition including a list of special rules models can take as well as clarifying certain things.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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