Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack

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**Kilkrazy**

MrDwhitey wrote:
It's weird when you see it second hand, it's not when it happens in front of you.

For all peoples posturings of "I would help" in a situation, they usually do not have any idea on whether they actually would or not if they actually witnessed it first hand.

They'll certainly know they'll have wanted to. Sometimes.

I don't think I would rush up and attack two big men who had knives, cleavers and a gun and had just chopped a man's head off. I think I would walk away and call the police.

**unmercifulconker**

MrDwhitey wrote:
It's weird when you see it second hand, it's not when it happens in front of you.

For all peoples posturings of "I would help" in a situation, they usually do not have any idea on whether they actually would or not if they actually witnessed it first hand.

They'll certainly know they'll have wanted to. Sometimes.

Yeah being in the situation is entirely different, no doubt some of those people wanted to do something. Thankfully though they didnt attack anyone else which I dont know why because I assume they feel our way of life is 'wrong' and should be punished by Allah or something like that.

**uk_crow**

dæl wrote:
uk_crow wrote:

Back to the original subject matter though. I'm still just perplexed at 2 things: A) Why did they just stand there and not attack anyone else? B) Did no one perform a citizens arrest? There were 2 of them and a group of 10 or more could have easily swamped them. People just stood by and watched it happend and took pictures on their iPhones.....

Would you citizens arrest someone who was armed with various knives and a gun?

The filming thing is a little odd, but I've heard that in stressful situations people will film things as it feels less real, as though they are watching it and not there themself.

Not individually, but in the past groups have overpowered successfully armed indivduals in the UK.

**ProfessionalAmateur**

There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

**MrDwhitey**

ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

Which is sad and yet completely expected.

**unmercifulconker**

uk_crow wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
Did you see that woman just walk past him with the weapons in plain sight, she has (balls?) of steel. It is pretty wierd why no one did anything but I cant blame anyone for not wanting to confront 2 guys with weapons, you would clearly lose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html

This lady? Very brave, along with others who shielded the soldiers body.

Nah it was on the video were he is talking to the camera and a woman in a blue outfit just walks right past him like nothing happened but holy crap what a woman she is, very brave indeed and should be rewarded for such courage.

**Jihadin**

110% certain that it was a soldier that got opted out? That be main reason for it. The civilians have no part fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan so would not make a big splash on the news.

**ProfessionalAmateur**

MrDwhitey wrote:
ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

Which is sad and yet completely expected.

I know, apparently the bloody EDL were planning a demonstration at the site at some point, don't know if that went ahead.

EDIT: Yup, that went ahead alright.

**uk_crow**

Here comes the EDL....

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/470240/20130522/woolwich-beheading-edl-police-clashes.htm

**Jihadin**

Besides if they tried that here in the USA with all our gun owners...you think they pose there for pics and salutations? Just be two more body bags to fill. Me personnaly...I knee cap the Hell out of them

**ProfessionalAmateur**

Oh bloody brilliant.

The irony is that the killers said they wanted to 'start a war in London' and the 'English Defence League' have done JUST what they wanted...

**unmercifulconker**

Oh yeah that is the best way to counter those terrorists, attack the very people who defend us. AARRRGGGHH some people....

edit: This is some civil society.

**Palindrome**

Jihadin wrote:
110% certain that it was a soldier that got opted out?

Its not been officially confirmed but the local MP has said that it is a soldier and it is right outside a barracks.

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Jihadin wrote:
Besides if they tried that here in the USA with all our gun owners...you think they pose there for pics and salutations? Just be two more body bags to fill. Me personnaly...I knee cap the Hell out of them

Nah, there would have been a massive shootout and there would be a lot more bodybags.

**unmercifulconker**

I imagine if this was in the US, the attackers would more than likely have used guns and caused more damage.

**Jihadin**

They done what the insurgents wouldn't do in Iraq and Afghanistan. Advertise on TV the killing of military personnel. Wonder how the Brits in Bastion/RC South Afghanistan going to handle it.

**Xenocidal Maniac**

ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

Removed.

**unmercifulconker**

The soldiers have turned into the Angry Marines I imagine.

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Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

Yeah, except, the unfortunate thing is, it's not just two lone individuals. It's thousands of them. Yes, I've read the Koran in its entirety and many of the Hadiths, and no, Islam is not a "religion of peace". Neither is Islam a race, before the inevitable cries of "racist" go up.

Time to take the blinders off, everyone. How long will it take? A 1400 year history of aggression. Thousands of Islamic terror attacks worldwide since 9/11. Riots in the streets over depictions of Mohammed. Theo van Gogh beheaded in front of his home for daring to criticize oppression of women in Islamic societies. And no condemnation of any of this from the Muslim world at large. It's plain as day. But everyone just wants to cover their ears and say "lalalalala".

But, hey, enjoy your Sharia Controlled Zones in London, I guess.

Yep, this religion allowed this to happen.

**Jihadin**

Boston Marathon Bomber eh

You would not have ten plus so many people standing around here in the US watching a soldier get opted out. Be a few that would Iphone it but I'm sure quite a few Americans would
1. Opted out both with gunfire (I go knee caps; less paperwork)
2. Dumptruck load of people have bats....crowbars...nice length of steel pipe....

**Breotan**

unmercifulconker wrote:
I imagine if this was in the US, the attackers would more than likely have used guns and caused more damage.

Quite possibly. Although non-citizens might find it a little difficult to get ahold of guns and ammo as most sellers tend to be unwilling to sell to people with foreign accents who can't pass the background check.

**Jihadin**

Non citizens are not allowed to own fire arms.

**Ouze**

What a horrid story :/

**Breotan**

ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
There's been a bit of racist backlash from this as well, people getting REALLY angry at the muslim and black communities over the actions of just two individuals.

It's interesting that "black muslims" in America are generally unwilling to perpetrate stuff like this even though their rhetoric seems pretty radicalized at times. It's almost always either crazy anti-government types or people with connection to foreign radical muslims.

**Palindrome**

Jihadin wrote:
Wonder how the Brits in Bastion/RC South Afghanistan going to handle it.

With professionalism.

**unmercifulconker**

Palindrome wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Wonder how the Brits in Bastion/RC South Afghanistan going to handle it.

With professionalism.

Yep, by killing just a few more terrorists each day.

**Jihadin**

Till you been then you would know what I'm refering to.

**Breotan**

Jihadin wrote:
Non citizens are not allowed to own fire arms.

Incorrect. As long as they are a legal resident with a resident work visa, green card, etc. and thus an Alien ID number, then they are OK to own firearms. They just have to go through some extra hoops to get the paperwork all correct and legal before they can purchase their firearms.

**Palindrome**

Do you have any idea how many gun threads there are on Dakka? Why do you want to make another one?

**unmercifulconker**

I know how well mine went.

**Jihadin**

http://www.vrolyk.org/guns/alien-laws.html

My fault. I got hung up on WA laws.

**Breotan**

Patrol: An armed soldier stands guard outside the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, south-east London

Oh, look. They got Samwell Tarly from Game of Thrones to stand guard.