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So this is an idea inspired by Asmodai Asmodean's "Mkoll versus Marbo" thread, where I thought why not make a thread in which we all talk about who would win in various match ups. I'll try to edit this first post with a list of which match starts on which page, as a kind of "contents" to stop confusion.

Contents:
Page one- Calgar vs Ghazghkull, Swarmlord vs Mephiston
Page two- Draigo vs Abaddon

So, first up, Marneus Calgar versus Ghazghkull Thraka- who would win and why?

Hijack! Swarmlord vs Ghazghkull!

Because everyone already knows Ghazghkull beats Calgar's face in.

Ghazgkull beats calgar in game. In fluff he still wins but it is closer.

They both have very strong armour, very good in close combat (Ghaz is stronger, but Calgar has two weapons), and with similar ranged capability (again, Ghaz is more powerful, but Calgar has two), and both are mastermind tacticians. I think Ghaz's rage mode and brute strength wins it, personally, but it is a close fought match.

Calgar beats Ghazghkuull by their actual showings, to be perfectly blunt.

Ghaz's only wins of note are against Yarrick and Belial.

Calgar ripped an Avatar of Khaine in half.

Calgar slaughters.

It's also worth noting that Ghazghkull could crush Calgar in a straight up battle between his orks and Calgar's marines, so yeah... there's that...

That statement has basically zero basis.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
That statement has basically zero basis.

Ghazghkull has stood up in a war of attrition against several of chapters of marines (I think it was around the 20 mark) and god knows how many regiments of guardsmen, with enough charisma for him to be a serious threat to the galaxy because he could be the warlord to unite all the orks, and it is said that that if all the orks did unite, they would overrun the entire imperium. AFAIK, the only ork to surpass him in the history of the universe is that one ridiculous ork who almost killed the emperor once.
So yes, his army could probably take one chapter of marines in a fight.

Oh, I assumed you were talking about Ghazghkuull's personal honor guard. I didn't assume you were going to be so irrelevant as to make this thread "Ghazghkuull's entire Waaagh! vs. 1,000 Marines". My mistake.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Oh, I assumed you were talking about Ghazghkuull's personal honor guard. I didn't assume you were going to be so irrelevant as to make this thread "Ghazghkuull's entire Waaagh! vs. 1,000 Marines". My mistake.

This is just a thread of various match ups, and I just mentioned that if this one were expanded to their respective armies, Ghaz would win. That was all. I wasn't trying to say anything other than that, just make an observation.

Sure, but it is kind of like making the observation that, if all of his bionics were torn off, Straken would have his head pushed down his neck by Harker. While technically true, it seems too much of a foregone conclusion of a point to be worth the time.

yeah, I was just saying, but point taken.

So, next matchup will be tomorrow.

So, new match up:
Mephiston vs The Swarmlord!

(Though I know rough information about them, I can't really make a call on this one).

The Swarmlord has never actually lost or even been drawed. It does however, seem to pick fights it knows it can win. And it did......

*Shades*

Cut Calgar down to size.

ÝYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Swarmlord, no question. In fluff, he both out-thought and out-fought Calgar, I'd say he can take Mephy, as his intense psychic presence will cut down on Mephistons main advantage of being a Librarian. In game, he wounds Mephiston once and auto kills him, game over.

Swarmlord. Mephy's only real protections are his toughness, which the Swarmlord easily handles w/ it's strength, and his psychic ability, which the Swarmlord counters w/ SitW. One swipe of the Boneswords & it's lights out Mephy.

~Vryce

Given that the Tyranids are gearing to invade Baal, we may just see them fight.

The swarmlord is allegedly going to octarius so i doubt he will be on baal.

Swarmy wins this.

Mephiston, probably.

The guys rips apart Carnifexes as though they were tissue paper, and he does it with his bare hands. He throttled M'kar, once more with his bare hands.

Swarmlord's defeat of Calgar, while backed up by its retinue of Tyranid Warriors and Tyrant Guard, isn't nearly as impressive.

BTW guys, this is based off the fluff rather than the rules- I know mephy would get served in a game

re-reading his unit entry, it looks like he is a serious contender to beat almost everyone, if it weren't for one little thing- that mephiston is thought to be a sliver of the primarch. I'm just speculating here, but it seems like there might be a reason fate didn't want him to die when he took that building to the face, so maybe some high power would help him beat the swarmlord.
overlooking such speculation, the swarmlord would probably beat him due to not giving a gak about psychic abilities, as Vryce reminded me.

Amoras wrote:
The swarmlord is allegedly going to octarius so i doubt he will be on baal.

Swarmy wins this.

A massive tendril of leviathan is angling for Baal, and the blood angels have called all their descendants home for their last stand. Anyone who can help is being contacted, and the hive fleets are about to slam into Baal with the same force that humiliated the Black Templars and fifteen other chapters simultaneously.

Shadow in the Warp does not automatically nullify psychic powers.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Shadow in the Warp does not automatically nullify psychic powers.

I thought it did background wise, or at least drastically smothers them.

I'm going to go with swarmlord, it has both brains and brawn.

Well, in the fluff Mephiston beats down Daemon Princes and returns from the dead, but the Swarmlord would probably beat him down in a fair fight.

Lucarikx

The Swarmlord has never won a "fair fight".

Ganging up on Marneus Calgar with your retinue of Tyranid Warriors and Tyrant Guard is not a "fair fight".

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Swarmlord has never won a "fair fight".

Ganging up on Marneus Calgar with your retinue of Tyranid Warriors and Tyrant Guard is not a "fair fight".

Its the smart thing to do, Fighting fair is fighting stupid.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Swarmlord has never won a "fair fight".

Ganging up on Marneus Calgar with your retinue of Tyranid Warriors and Tyrant Guard is not a "fair fight".

Don't be ridiculous by making it sound like it was at all 'unfair'. Its not like Calgar didn't have his honour guard, or a whole marine army by his side. The only reason it got that 'fair' was because of the genius of the Swarmlord to hibernate the Hormagaunts. Back to point, Swarmlord beats the sauce outa the blood sucker. The Swarmlord has more psychic power behind him, and has better wargear. Not really a challenge

No point fighting someone you can't beat

 Kain wrote:
Given that the Tyranids are gearing to invade Baal, we may just see them fight.

Where is this inferred?