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Brakes can be upgraded easily but definitely watch out how much weight you're adding.

Something that occured to me earlier today, pox - are you planning on adding more of a bracket to the outside of the ammo cans? It looks to me like they might be at risk of falling out when cornering at present.

You get bonus points if the exhaust output at engine idle is sufficient to make the rain caps flap instead of just sitting open.

Combo bonus if you mount the headlights in a skull on the front fork.

The exhaust stack would also make a good boss pole, if not for how hot they'll get.

 pox wrote:

Enigwolf wrote:I'm curious, have you thought as to adding more storage space? I'm trying to imagine you cramming a small suitcase for clothes and stuff and another bag of your gaming models onto that.

I will have more storage on the back, but really the bike is designed for day trips. I figure no more then 250 miles, and that would be pushing it. (and I would just need a change of cloths.) For further trips I'll use a bike trailer.

Then you need to make a suitably orky bike trailer when you're done too!

Just had a thought of running the exhausts through the ammoboxes (and exiting out the back) and diguising them as guns from the engine.

I like the ammo boxes! This thing is going to look great!

This is shaping up nicely. I cant wait to see this bike looking more orky. I trust a checkered paint scheme is in order?

Really looking forward to seeing this unfold, excellent job so far!
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 Muzzah wrote:
This is shaping up nicely. I cant wait to see this bike looking more orky. I trust a checkered paint scheme is in order?

Don't evrywon know, RED ones go fasta!

If you are going to be transporting armies in those ammo boxes, how hot are they going to get right over the exhaust pipes? It would be a shame if plastic/finecast minis turned to goo because of heat issues. Or whatever foam you use to pack them melts. No idea is this is an actual issue, but you don't want this to be the "gotcha" at the end of the project.

Looks awesome overall!

 Nevelon wrote:
If you are going to be transporting armies in those ammo boxes, how hot are they going to get right over the exhaust pipes? It would be a shame if plastic/finecast minis turned to goo because of heat issues. Or whatever foam you use to pack them melts. No idea is this is an actual issue, but you don't want this to be the "gotcha" at the end of the project.

Looks awesome overall!

Some heat resistant spray on the exhaust would help

I used to use this stuff to protect sensitive componets for turbo heat is cars

http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/ht-silicone-coating

Their wrap is money too

Put clothes in the one over the exhaust. Put army in the other one. Celebrate.

rigeld2 wrote:
Put clothes in the one over the exhaust. Put army in the other one. Celebrate.

Until your clothes catch fire

Using something heat resistant inside the ammo box shouldn't be too much of a problem though...

They won't get that hot.
Warm to be sure, but not burst into flames hot.

Brother Paen wrote:As an Ork player and motorcyclist I'm stoked about this build. Cant wait to see it done. May have to build me one and join your Mob.

That being said, remember to check your GVWR so as not to overload an axle, or overload brakes...and keep the balance on weight distribution so as not to destroy your handling. I'm no bike builder but confirming safety is a must. I'd hate to see something so cool go wrong.

Ride safe and Waagghh On! Paen Out.

Trust me, I got safety first. The bike has a stock weight limit of 400 pounds. I'm 260 on a bad day, so that leaves 140 for both add-ons and luggage. Before I paint anything I'll weigh the pieces to check total weight. I'm only using steel for framework, I'll skin it with high impact sheet styrene.

rigeld2 wrote:Brakes can be upgraded easily but definitely watch out how much weight you're adding.

See above. I don't really want to alter the brakes (aside from upgrading the shoes,) so I'll just make sure both the weight and distribution are within suggested parameters.

Dysartes wrote:Something that occured to me earlier today, pox - are you planning on adding more of a bracket to the outside of the ammo cans? It looks to me like they might be at risk of falling out when cornering at present.

Yes, the base frame is just for them to sit. I'll figure out straps to hold them in place proppa.

Nowlan wrote:You get bonus points if the exhaust output at engine idle is sufficient to make the rain caps flap instead of just sitting open.

Combo bonus if you mount the headlights in a skull on the front fork.

The exhaust stack would also make a good boss pole, if not for how hot they'll get.

Boss pole will go on the other side. Headlight will be mounted under the steel cowskull.

jimbolina25 wrote:Just had a thought of running the exhausts through the ammoboxes (and exiting out the back) and diguising them as guns from the engine.

That would make the boxes useless!

Muzzah wrote:This is shaping up nicely. I cant wait to see this bike looking more orky. I trust a checkered paint scheme is in order?

As the guy below you put it, Red. Also, with checkered patterns!

optimusprime14 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
If you are going to be transporting armies in those ammo boxes, how hot are they going to get right over the exhaust pipes? It would be a shame if plastic/finecast minis turned to goo because of heat issues. Or whatever foam you use to pack them melts. No idea is this is an actual issue, but you don't want this to be the "gotcha" at the end of the project.

Looks awesome overall!

Some heat resistant spray on the exhaust would help

I used to use this stuff to protect sensitive componets for turbo heat is cars

http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/ht-silicone-coating

Their wrap is money too

I already purchased 2" black wrap, and I plan on building heat sink tubes to go over the pipes. This will keep people from burning themselves, and make it look more like an Ork Warbike.

Update!

I found the perfect gas tank! a discontinued air compressor. It holds the same amount as the stock tank. (well, .1 gallons less!)



I start by pulling off the compressor.



Next i cut off un-needed bits and grind it smooth.



Smooth and ready to mount.



I check the mounting possibilities!





After checking my new drag bars, I realized I needed to mount the tank as close to the frame as possible. Sadly, the air surge box is just too high to make it work! After a few days of research, I figured out how to toss the part. (it will require re-jetting my carburetor, fun!) I order the parts, and went back to hunting.

I found a sweet gas cap from an old bus.





Thats all I have for the tank so far! I should get the new air kit this week, I need to mount it before I determine the final places for the cross-over fuel lines and the petcock. I also need to find a second gas cap for the other side. I have a lead on a warehouse that the owner may let me loot, so I hopefully I'll get the rest of the bits I need!

Wedding went great! good food, good booze, two nights in the French Quarter, and a trip "antiquing," where I found two motorcycle seat options. great week all-in-all.

Congratulation mate!

Bike is looking good, but I don't understand much of vehicles so I'm waiting the final result

With the angle of the gas tank, it looks like you are going to have to reposition the valve on the tank to the fuel line if you want to be able to use all the gas in the tank. Ensuring you can pull fuel from (and add fuel to) both of the tanks may be interesting too.

Good lord. Well, I'm done. I now feel substantially lower on the "40k fanatic table" then before. Good luck.

CptJake wrote:With the angle of the gas tank, it looks like you are going to have to reposition the valve on the tank to the fuel line if you want to be able to use all the gas in the tank. Ensuring you can pull fuel from (and add fuel to) both of the tanks may be interesting too.

I realized I wasn't quite clear on how the tanks will work. I'll be plumbing it like a classic cross over tank, none of the current bungs will be used. The petcock will go at the lowest point on te left tank. It will have two gas caps, at the top of each tank. Lastly, there will be a crossover tube at the lowest spot for each tank ensuring I get all the fuel. The petcock will be a basic on/off, so my reserve fuel will be a Jerry can mounted somewhere on the bike for emergencies.

I need to mount it before I can add any of that, and in order to do that I need to mount the seat and finish the max air kit to get rid of te surge box. I'll get a set of pictures to make it all more clear. While I wait for that to all come in, I'll just work on the front fender.

Woo Hoo, UPDTAES!

I started working on the front fender iron gob.

I start by cutting out templates from layout board, make sure they fit into the fender recesses, and then transfer the template to some sheet metal.



next I break out the plasma cutter and cut me some steel.



done and done.



I then bend the sides to shape and drill the mounting holes.



Here they are mounted.



Now that I have the base, I start on the structural work. The gob will have a base of steel, but all the detail will be plastic sheets.

I measure out all the pieces I need and cut more templates out of foam-core.



I again transfer the templates to steel.



I do the usual plasma cutting, grinding, and welding. Then I mount the sucker.







I got my Maxair kit in, so I'm gonna learn how a carburetor works! Hopefully I can get it finished this week, so I can start on the gas tank.

Is the Iron Gob going to cause any problems with changing the front tyre, pox?

 Dysartes wrote:
Is the Iron Gob going to cause any problems with changing the front tyre, pox?

Not at all, it uses the existing fender mounts so you just remove the iron gob before changing the tire.

Shame you and the UltraSmurf Dreadnought live on different continents, would love to see you two together.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/494831.page

 Squidbot wrote:
Shame you and the UltraSmurf Dreadnought live on different continents, would love to see you two together.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/494831.page

that would be awesome if we were!


UPDATE TIME!

To start with, I got my carburetor jet and filter kit.

Here's a pic of what I'm trying to get rid of.



As you can see, the surge box sits about five inches above the frame. I need to get rid of it to mount the new tank, so I have clearance for the drag bars.

Here's the kit that will fix all my problems. Now I just need to disassemble the carbs and re-jet them.



I read three books, watched some videos, carefully read the instructions, and hoped for the best. I've never done this before.

I was successful in removing the carbs without damaging anything important.



I had originally taken a bunch of pictures of each step and had planned to write up a full description. Over thirty pictures later, I realized that it would be really boring to both read and write out, and this isn't really the forum for it! If you really want to see how it's done, just google re-jetting dual carbs.

Here's the end result!



With a little modification, I was able to get the new tank to sit pretty.



I can now start figuring out how to mount the tank, and then how to plumb it.

In the mean time, I started working on the iron gob. I sat the bike upright, and decided the angle was off and the jaw didn't jut out enough, nor was it level. I fixed it.

I started by splitting the jaw, and reinforcing the joints.





I then cut some angle iron, cut it and fit it, and clamped it into place.





I tacked it into place, then pulled it and finished welding it. It's now ready for sheet styrene.



Up next, exhausts!

 pox wrote:
Up next, exhausts!

Errm - didn't you already do the exhausts, pox?

.....

I dont even...

I just need new pants...

Dysartes wrote:

 pox wrote:
Up next, exhausts!

Errm - didn't you already do the exhausts, pox?

I still needed to make the mounting brackets. and then when I fired it up to check and adjust the fuel/air mixture, I realized that the coupler I used to mount the pipes was leaking. On top of that, a co-worker pointed out the rain caps were backward! This meant I had cut the pipes wrong, I couldn't turn them around with the current layout. And lastly I need to wrap them.

Falhurk wrote:.....

I dont even...

I just need new pants...

interesting compliment!

OK! as I was telling Dysartes, a whole heap of problems cropped up with the exhausts. I was pondering how to fix it, when something magical happened. I friend of mine asked if I had ever seen the deep back of his warehouse while we were looking at the bike. I said no, and we went to take a look. five hours later, I had many more gubbins for the bike scavanged from mammoth engines and generators.

I found a perfect set of pipes to fix my silly mistake. hell even if I hadn't messed up, I would have mounted these I think.



before I can cut and weld these to the existing pipes, I needed brackets for final placement. I measure, cut, grind, and drill.



Here's the brackets mounted with a few exhaust clamps. way more sturdy then bailing wire, though I'll probably add some later for looks.



now that that's complete, I pull the exhausts and have a friend of mine weld the clamps to the new pipe. I only need to weld one side, making a proppa socket. I had the friend do it because it was zinc plated which can be tricky to weld, and it needed a full seal. I trust his 15 years of experience over my six months!



I then make sure it all works, measure my new pipes, and cut both them and the old ones. they barely just don't fit inside one another, so I grab a pipe expander and make 'em fit.

A little welding and good to go.



Next up is a fiberglass exhaust wrap. I leave a little pipe exposed for looks.



Lastly I re-assemble everything, and make a funky spacer bracket for the two pipes. Once I have the rear of the bike finished, I'll have one more set of brackets going from the pipes to the bike, both making it look Orky and reinforcing the pipes.







The exhausts are now 80% complete. all I need to do is add detail to the rain caps and mounts, and add a small cage around both pipes where people are most likely to bump into hot pipes.

Thanks for looking! I feel like I passed a huge hurdle with the carburetor finished and working, all that's left with the mechanical side of things is the gas tank. I'm hoping to start that this week along with more progress on the iron gob.

If the orky look is what you're going for with the welds on the exhaust, you nailed it.
Otherwise, grind that mess, son!

How come you went so high with the exhaust wrap? I understand under the ammo case but on the vertical part?

Instead of using thos clamps for the exhaust wrap, why not use something like this:

http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/stainless-steel-locking-ties

It's cheaper and smaller.

Nowlan wrote:If the orky look is what you're going for with the welds on the exhaust, you nailed it.
Otherwise, grind that mess, son!

You cant see in the photo of the mounted pipes, but they are ground down. I am not a good welder. (yet!) My welds are ugly, but functional.

optimusprime14 wrote:How come you went so high with the exhaust wrap? I understand under the ammo case but on the vertical part?

Instead of using thos clamps for the exhaust wrap, why not use something like this:

http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/stainless-steel-locking-ties

It's cheaper and smaller.

The vert wrap is for people bumping into the pipes, or un-knowing hands touching. (rider included!) I was given the advice to wrap the upper pipes from a co-worker whose friend rode a Screaming Eagle with high pipes, he and others would get singed all the time! I also plan on adding vent cages, both for looks and to keep burns down. As for the steel non-slip over the wraps, they're on there! I added the band ties for looks. (they match the crude exhaust hangers used in the mounting.)

Not really an update, more of a discussion and quasi-poll.

What should I use as a seat?

This John Deere tractor seat



or this saddle?



I was originally combing the back-woods swamp towns of louisiana for a john deer tractor seat, as these look great on rat-bikes. I found one in Ponchatoula, but they also had this saddle at a price I couldn't refuse. I' m leaning more towards the tractor seat, but the saddle matches my army. (heavy Snakebite influence on an Armageddon battle force.)

what do y'all think?