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I know, khorne is the smashy face guy of the 4 who hates the fancy magic. But in 40k "magic" is psychic energy tied to the warp, and chaos gods are made from the warp it's like khorne is a self hater. You'd think he'd have crazy khorne shamans who bend the warp to make enemies go bloodthirsty and stuff like that. I mean if he hates this magic stuff so much then what are khorne magicky artifacts? Items infused with warp powers....kinda like psychers?

Khorne is okay with the use of Warp-spawned power to do stuff like summon Daemons, or to maintain a Daemon's hold on the materium.

He just finds psychic powers cowardly as a weapon used in battle, due to the fact that you are using power borrowed from somewhere else rather than your own.

I can kinda see that, but isn't bending the warp to your command doing something on your own? He's ok with using bolters and chainswords, and summoning deamons which are all weapons. This is one of the fluff pieces that just never made sense to me.

Travelling the warp or enchanting weapons is fine.

However, throwing warpfire at someone is cowardly and therefore unacceptable. Khorne is as much a god of honor as war.

But no one ever said honor made sense.

Yes. After all, pyschic powers are a weaponized version of the Warp and the human mind itself. Khorne should be pleased that a potentially innocent instrument is used to make people burst in flames or explode from the inside out.

The fluff usually depicts khorne followers as maddened brutes charging headfirst into the enemy but, while I think the God itself is nothing but the embodiment of man-made destruction, I've also chosen to believe its followers tend to know better than that. If khorne-devoted commanders make use of less "direct" methods such as long range artillery or battlefield intelligence, they should also acknowledge the value of psykers. After all, any means is good to achieve victory and all blood pleases the Blood God.

I think that Void__Dragon hit the (butcher's) nail, though. Using psychic powers means begging for a higher power to intervene on the psyker's behalf. When a psyker calls the Warp to fry an opponent's mind, he or she's not really in control, just acting as a conduit. That's probably why Khorne frowns upon it.


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BTW, isn't the Burning Brand a khornate artifact?

The funny thing is, he doesn't care for Sorcerers, yet there have been Khornate Librarians..

Also I consider Dawn of War canon, so thus Azariah Kyras The Khornate Chief Librarian still reminds me.

He seems to lose his psyker abilities after his ascension anyways, but it makes me think that if you can pull some sweet deaths off in the galaxy, even Khorne will find it awesome.

Though I believe that in some odder, older fluff, it was that they can worship Khorne, but at the same time they'll begin to lose their powers, only being able to direct it inwards through their body as they gain martial mastery.

Black Crusade actually depicts as much. A psyker can worship Khorne, but they can't use their psychic power.

Khornate: I smashed a guys face in!
Khorne: Cool! Here's a magic sword to smash even more face!
Good.

Khornate: Yo, Big-K, you mind zapping this guy for me? I'm a delicate flower who can't kill him myself.
Khorne: No way, man! That's like... totes not cool dude.
Bad.


By the way, Agent_Tremelo, Khorne would hate innocent things made bloody. He doesn't like killing or involving innocents because it's not honorable.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Khornate: I smashed a guys face in!
Khorne: Cool! Here's a magic sword to smash even more face!
Good.

Khornate: Yo, Big-K, you mind zapping this guy for me? I'm a delicate flower who can't kill him myself.
Khorne: No way, man! That's like... totes not cool dude.
Bad.


By the way, Agent_Tremelo, Khorne would hate innocent things made bloody. He doesn't like killing or involving innocents because it's not honorable.

Sometimes, at times he just prefers blood and skulls and doesn't care where it comes from. It's just the more worthy skulls gets his favor

Khorne's find with Psykers, he's not fine with using mind bullets to kill people directly. Notice how Kyras, whom many complain as unfluffy, never once used his powers to directly harm anyone.

Yeah, it's kinda weird. I mean if a psyker stabbed someone with his sword and made them explode in a fountain of blood, Khorne should be happy, right? Or if they made their enemy's skull expand until it tore their face off from the inside. Of course, maybe khorne does have psykers like these, but nobody ever talks about it.

That's like saying you're great at arm-wrestling because you stab your opponents with a knife beforehand.

Khorne doesn't like cheaters.

It's not enough to just kill. It has to be done properly.

 Biaz wrote:
Yeah, it's kinda weird. I mean if a psyker stabbed someone with his sword and made them explode in a fountain of blood, Khorne should be happy, right? Or if they made their enemy's skull expand until it tore their face off from the inside. Of course, maybe khorne does have psykers like these, but nobody ever talks about it.

Well there are Gore Mages.

He doesn't like them, but if they assist in the bloodshed, then he will tolerate them.

And by the way its psyker, not psycher.

No one ever said the the Dark Powers are intelligent, reasonable, or rational.

Read C S Goto, he thinks Khorne sorcerer are awesome...

Khorne just hates cowardice, as such while he approves of magic, it's only in the sense that it should make -you- more powerful, rather than weakening or harming others.

I could see the logic behind khorne daemons only being able to use blessings. However, since it would be overpowered to allow say, khorne units to only take blessings, meaning say, if they took biomancy, they could only ever get Ironarm and such, it seems they simply decided that khorne unit's would just have better base stats overall, as a way to represent that any magic they did use, is already present in their weapons, their armour, their bodies, e.x.

So yeah, a khorne psyker is plausable, if they used it purely for the sake of making themselves a better warrior. This is the same as shooting, khorne basically only uses shooting, if it is to root out cowards and force them to fight honorably, hence why the skull cannon has ignore cover, and allows unit's to assault into units in cover.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The funny thing is, he doesn't care for Sorcerers, yet there have been Khornate Librarians..

Also I consider Dawn of War canon, so thus Azariah Kyras The Khornate Chief Librarian still reminds me.

That's really the one canon derp that bugs me in the DoW games. My theory is that either Kyras was being manipulated by Tzeentch (and never really served Khorne at all), or Khorne chose him specifically to strip him of his psyker powers. After he exalts into a Daemon Prince, I don't think he does anything particularly psychic.

Bloodthirsty killers like Berserkers are often mistrusting of "magic". Its a common theme. World Eaters may have had librarians, but they have come to mistrust them and refuse to use them.

 Bludbaff wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The funny thing is, he doesn't care for Sorcerers, yet there have been Khornate Librarians..

Also I consider Dawn of War canon, so thus Azariah Kyras The Khornate Chief Librarian still reminds me.

That's really the one canon derp that bugs me in the DoW games. My theory is that either Kyras was being manipulated by Tzeentch (and never really served Khorne at all), or Khorne chose him specifically to strip him of his psyker powers. After he exalts into a Daemon Prince, I don't think he does anything particularly psychic.

Read the rest of the thread please, we have explained Kyras.

I figured that the big old red guy wouldn't mind say a Librarian increasing the blood lust and rage in, say, new recruits like cultists to inhibit any fear that may arise upon the battlefield.

The anti-Psyker slant never made sense to me. I thought "Khorne cares not from where the blood flows only that it flows!". I mean isn't Khorne nihilism at its core? Like if you used magic to make people explode, does it really matter?

King Pariah wrote:I figured that the big old red guy wouldn't mind say a Librarian increasing the blood lust and rage in, say, new recruits like cultists to inhibit any fear that may arise upon the battlefield.

Then its not real though.

That'd be like Tzeentch poisoning people to make them more hopeful. That'd be like wanting a true, genuine friend, so you decide to grow a clone of yourself in a laboratory and keep him as a pet.

The Chaos Gods are simple. Khorne is angry, and wants to inflict destruction as an (unsuccessful) outlet for his rage. Slaanesh is lustful, and wants to achieve pleasure. Tzeentch and Nurgle want to do both, but for different reasons. Nurgle lives as he pleases because death is just around the corner, and nothing he does will have any true consequences. Tzeentch lives as he pleases because the world is a bright place, growing brighter are the time, and what is it for if not living?

They recruit like minded followers. The follower's emotions empower them, making them stronger, and the followers can be used as vassals to kill their enemies's followers. To keep their minions's loyalty, they give them gifts, usually in the form of daemonic empowerment.

Inflicting an emotion on someone else means that they aren't really thinking; the librarian is thinking for them. The librarian already empowers the Gods, so the Gods aren't getting anything new if the librarian brainwashes something. Sure, the librarian gets something new, but that's different. That's between the librarian and his slaves, not the librarian and his gods.

Ye must take the skull by force for it to be accepted on the throne of Khorne, lest yer own skull take it's place. Khorne cares not whose skull adorned his throne, only that it be taken by martial force.

Honestly, 'noise' marines... Suck a chain axe Slanny.



On a more serious note, it's kind of similar to Greyjoy rules, 'By Iron' is OK. 'By Gold' is bad (gold in this example is roughly equivalent to warp/magic).

 Kain wrote:

 Bludbaff wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The funny thing is, he doesn't care for Sorcerers, yet there have been Khornate Librarians..

Also I consider Dawn of War canon, so thus Azariah Kyras The Khornate Chief Librarian still reminds me.

That's really the one canon derp that bugs me in the DoW games. My theory is that either Kyras was being manipulated by Tzeentch (and never really served Khorne at all), or Khorne chose him specifically to strip him of his psyker powers. After he exalts into a Daemon Prince, I don't think he does anything particularly psychic.

Read the rest of the thread please, we have explained Kyras.

uhh no, only your opinion/ theory was also stated on him. We does not equal you.

One of the latest Gaunt's Ghosts novels (I think it was Blood Pact) features a psyker who at least seems to worship Khorne, as the rest of the Blood Pact does. She never really uses her powers to directly harm anyone as far as I remember, just divination and messing with the weather.

You'd think you'd still need psykers for like, things like the Blood Tide.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You'd think you'd still need psykers for like, things like the Blood Tide.

Yeah, quite a valid point.

And what about that Blood pillar/geyser that the Red Prophet was preaching upon when the Emperor's Wolves (now Blood Disciples) cut him down? Not to mention that that all who were touched by that bloody geyser were instantly devoted to Khorne (hence the Emperor's Wolves going to chaos).

Psykers are the 40K equivalent of the Wizard.

Khorne hates wizards.

He might grant his followers psychic powers... if they use them, however, they earn the Blood God's great disfavor.

I don't think the Chaos Daemons Codex has been fixed yet.

Technically (i.e. RAW), you can still make a Khorne Daemon Prince Psyker if you're so inclined.

http://pinsofwar.com/khorne-psyker-prince/