Doom of Malantai, Cataclysm, Exploding Transport, Wounds gained?

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**BigJP**

So last night I played a game where my tyranids were pitted against my Traitor Guardsmen (a buddy is playing my armies against myself, I'm improving my lists a lot). At one point the Irishmin (Doom O'Malanti) podded in, sucked some souls and S6 blasted the side armor of a chimera causing a wreck (I don't know why people don't like cataclysm...). So his power cost him 2 wounds and then ratlings finished him off next round (I rolled 1,1,2,2 for 3++). But, in hindsight i was wondering.... When the transport exploded the occupants suffered 7 unsaved wounds. So, does doom o'malantel get those wounds since he was responsible for their occurrence or is the transport itself the source? I don't think this is just a one time situation; this could happen in many of my games. Nothing in FAQ. Thoughts?

**Happyjew**

I would say no, as the Doom did not directly cause the Wounds.

**Fragile**

The transport was the source of those wounds.

**rigeld2**

Happyjew wrote:
I would say no, as the Doom did not directly cause the Wounds.

Agreed. Absorb Life requires it to inflict wounds, not to cause something else to inflict wounds.

**BigJP**

Fair enough, I was reaching a bit I'm sure.

**Bloodhorror**

I'd disagree here.

The Dark Eldar requires a unit with Power from Pain to kill a unit to get a Pain Token. It was FAQ'd to say that if they blew a transport and killed the whole unit within, that's a pain token.

They aren't directly killing the unit inside, so i'd imagine doom would get those wounds as well.

**Iranna**

Bloodhorror wrote:
I'd disagree here.

The Dark Eldar requires a unit with Power from Pain to kill a unit to get a Pain Token. It was FAQ'd to say that if they blew a transport and killed the whole unit within, that's a pain token.

They aren't directly killing the unit inside, so i'd imagine doom would get those wounds as well.

I was about to quote this too.

Power from Pain will give a unit a pain token if they wipe a unit out directly or indirectly.

I think the Doom would work the same, depending on the wording in the codex of course.

Iranna.

**rigeld2**

Absorb Life requires Doom to inflict wounds.
How is Power from Pain worded?

**Gravmyr**

Power from Pain: "Whenever a Dark Eldar unit with this rule destroys a non-vehicle enemy unit, it immediately gains a 'pain token'."

Absorb Life: "... for every unsaved wound it inflicts."

Tough call but I would probably give the Doom the life based off the Dark Eldar FAQ.

**Iranna**

Here's the FAQ:

Q: If a unit with the Power from Pain special rule destroys an enemy unit, does it gain a pain token no matter how the unit was destroyed?
For example the resultant explosion from shooting at a vehicle wipes out an enemy unit. (p25)

A: Yes.

Iranna.

**rigeld2**

I see the similarity but I don't think it's similar enough to tie the two together, and the FAQ is very narrowly worded.

**Bloodhorror**

I'd say he is indirectly causing Wounds, just as the dark elder unit is indirectly killing a unit.

Also, as a bizzare scenario...

Doom casts enfeeble on a bike/jetbike unit. They fail a DT test and lose a wound from this. Does doom get a wound back?

**rigeld2**

If you give him wounds from an exploding vehicle, then yes he'd get one from any indirect action.

**Bloodhorror**

So it'd depend on whether him causing wounds via an indirect action is deemed right or wrong.

**Gravmyr**

Not quite the same thing. The wounds from a vehicle explosion are caused due to the attack. The dangerous terrain test isn't caused by enfeeble but by the choice of the owner moving the model.

**Iranna**

I'd say that, due to it being a grey area, you should probably just go with him getting wounds from direct attacks.

It'll most likely make your games go much smoother.

Iranna.

**Elric Greywolf**

Power from Pain: "Whenever a Dark Eldar unit with this rule destroys a non-vehicle enemy unit, it immediately gains a 'pain token'."

Absorb Life: "... for every unsaved wound it inflicts."

Q: If a unit with the Power from Pain special rule destroys an enemy unit, does it gain a pain token no matter how the unit was destroyed?
For example the resultant explosion from shooting at a vehicle wipes out an enemy unit. (p25)
A: Yes.

Power from Pain says "destroys a...unit," while Life Leech is a rule about the Doom ["it"] causing "unsaved wounds."
These two things do seem to be different. The DE did not cause unsaved wounds--the DE caused the unit to be destroyed due to unsaved wounds caused by the transport explosion.
In the same way, the Doom did not cause unsaved wounds--the transport caused unsaved wounds.

**DeathReaper**

From the wording of Absorb Life the Doom has to inflict the wounds in order to gain wounds.