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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Phazael wrote:
Had a big long rant from 14 years of built up nerd rage of every marine whine causing the army to be repeatedly nerfed, but let me sum this up in five thoughts:..... This should surprise me, but every book since the Eldar debuted has been a giant nerf loaded love letter to MEQ books.

Erm, just to correct this point, which others missed correcting you on.

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 4th edition Eldar, when it debuted, was a "nerf" ? One of the most fundamentally broken books of 4th edition, which exploited every single rule it could do (SMF, rending, skimmers LOS, glancing table) to create a nearly unkillable army was a nerf? Really?

Others have covered your other inaccuracies, however I could not let this one lie uncontested.

Yeah, 4th ed Eldar was insane. I swear that the Harlequins were designed solely to take advantage of the rending and the "consolidate into a new target" rules

And Falcons were nearly indestructible thanks to holofields.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Phazael wrote:
Had a big long rant from 14 years of built up nerd rage of every marine whine causing the army to be repeatedly nerfed, but let me sum this up in five thoughts:..... This should surprise me, but every book since the Eldar debuted has been a giant nerf loaded love letter to MEQ books.

Erm, just to correct this point, which others missed correcting you on.

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 4th edition Eldar, when it debuted, was a "nerf" ? One of the most fundamentally broken books of 4th edition, which exploited every single rule it could do (SMF, rending, skimmers LOS, glancing table) to create a nearly unkillable army was a nerf? Really?

Others have covered your other inaccuracies, however I could not let this one lie uncontested.

Yeah, 4th ed Eldar was insane. I swear that the Harlequins were designed solely to take advantage of the rending and the "consolidate into a new target" rules

And Falcons were nearly indestructible thanks to holofields.

Why, what did holofields do back then? I usually had to deal with wraithlords and harlequins.

thoughts are eldar realy dont get alot for 2000pts
dont like dire avenger exarchs and most exarch since they no longer help the squad and hate that you have to buy a character in order to get pathfinders.

but thats about my only gripes with the codex that and the gaurdins still only getting a 12" range gun

apart from that its an ok codex not the most powerful codex to date (which it should be considering eldar are one of the oldest and most advance) but I do like some of the nice touches like the spinners and sheilds on the war walker and realy like the return to epic with the wave serpent being able to launch its sheild as a weapon

first games tonight with the new codex against imperial gaurd so will be vastly out numbered

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Phazael wrote:
Had a big long rant from 14 years of built up nerd rage of every marine whine causing the army to be repeatedly nerfed, but let me sum this up in five thoughts:..... This should surprise me, but every book since the Eldar debuted has been a giant nerf loaded love letter to MEQ books.

Erm, just to correct this point, which others missed correcting you on.

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 4th edition Eldar, when it debuted, was a "nerf" ? One of the most fundamentally broken books of 4th edition, which exploited every single rule it could do (SMF, rending, skimmers LOS, glancing table) to create a nearly unkillable army was a nerf? Really?

Others have covered your other inaccuracies, however I could not let this one lie uncontested.

Yeah, 4th ed Eldar was insane. I swear that the Harlequins were designed solely to take advantage of the rending and the "consolidate into a new target" rules

And Falcons were nearly indestructible thanks to holofields.

Why, what did holofields do back then? I usually had to deal with wraithlords and harlequins.

Holofields forced you to roll 2D6 and to take the lowest when rolling on the damage chart. Skimmers moving fast didn't get cover saves, they downgraded penetrating hits to glancing hits. 1/36 per damage result to kill a Falcon or Wave Serpent was the result.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Phazael wrote:
Had a big long rant from 14 years of built up nerd rage of every marine whine causing the army to be repeatedly nerfed, but let me sum this up in five thoughts:..... This should surprise me, but every book since the Eldar debuted has been a giant nerf loaded love letter to MEQ books.

Erm, just to correct this point, which others missed correcting you on.

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 4th edition Eldar, when it debuted, was a "nerf" ? One of the most fundamentally broken books of 4th edition, which exploited every single rule it could do (SMF, rending, skimmers LOS, glancing table) to create a nearly unkillable army was a nerf? Really?

Others have covered your other inaccuracies, however I could not let this one lie uncontested.

Yeah, 4th ed Eldar was insane. I swear that the Harlequins were designed solely to take advantage of the rending and the "consolidate into a new target" rules

And Falcons were nearly indestructible thanks to holofields.

Why, what did holofields do back then? I usually had to deal with wraithlords and harlequins.

Holofields forced you to roll 2D6 and to take the lowest when rolling on the damage chart. Skimmers moving fast didn't get cover saves, they downgraded penetrating hits to glancing hits. 1/36 per damage result to kill a Falcon or Wave Serpent was the result.

Serpents were not that resilient since they had energy fields but no access to holofields.

That's why the Falcon/Fragon combo was so nasty. Those Fire Dragons WOULD get into range.

Honestly the best part of 4th Edition Eldar was the look on your opponents face when you used Alaitoc...and forced his non-Mechanized parts of his army to either be pinned, start in reserve or take fire before the game even started. Necrons wept tears of woe when I pushed the Rez Orb into reserves.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
That's why the Falcon/Fragon combo was so nasty. Those Fire Dragons WOULD get into range.

Honestly the best part of 4th Edition Eldar was the look on your opponents face when you used Alaitoc...and forced his non-Mechanized parts of his army to either be pinned, start in reserve or take fire before the game even started. Necrons wept tears of woe when I pushed the Rez Orb into reserves.

You mean the disruption table. It was pretty overpowered if you ask me.

Thought that was pre-4th ed book, with the rangers craftworld?

I had sort of covered the holofield abuse by mentioning the glancing table, but it was worth mentioning. Didnt mention the consolidate as I'd forgotten about it, but as noted it was horrific.

Entirely possible to do literally no damage to the eldar army throughout the entire game, until they decided there was enough damage done to you for the harlies to leap from combat to combat.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Phazael wrote:
Had a big long rant from 14 years of built up nerd rage of every marine whine causing the army to be repeatedly nerfed, but let me sum this up in five thoughts:..... This should surprise me, but every book since the Eldar debuted has been a giant nerf loaded love letter to MEQ books.

Erm, just to correct this point, which others missed correcting you on.

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 4th edition Eldar, when it debuted, was a "nerf" ? One of the most fundamentally broken books of 4th edition, which exploited every single rule it could do (SMF, rending, skimmers LOS, glancing table) to create a nearly unkillable army was a nerf? Really?

Others have covered your other inaccuracies, however I could not let this one lie uncontested.

Yeah, 4th ed Eldar was insane. I swear that the Harlequins were designed solely to take advantage of the rending and the "consolidate into a new target" rules

And Falcons were nearly indestructible thanks to holofields.

Why, what did holofields do back then? I usually had to deal with wraithlords and harlequins.

Holofields forced you to roll 2D6 and to take the lowest when rolling on the damage chart. Skimmers moving fast didn't get cover saves, they downgraded penetrating hits to glancing hits. 1/36 per damage result to kill a Falcon or Wave Serpent was the result.

Serpents were not that resilient since they had energy fields but no access to holofields.

Oops, right you are. Sorry about that.

I miss holo-fields on my Fire Prisms and being hit on 6's in melee :\ Those guys made the best mobile bunkers. /sad

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Thought that was pre-4th ed book, with the rangers craftworld?

I had sort of covered the holofield abuse by mentioning the glancing table, but it was worth mentioning. Didnt mention the consolidate as I'd forgotten about it, but as noted it was horrific.

Entirely possible to do literally no damage to the eldar army throughout the entire game, until they decided there was enough damage done to you for the harlies to leap from combat to combat.

It was the 3rd ed Craftworld Eldar book that had the ranger force of doom. I miss that army, so many tournament wins.

I understand that Farseers will probably be dropped from the metagame, but please please please someone say that the Staff of Ulthamar still works the same way that it used to. I want to watch Eldrad activate Death Mission, and then proceed to activate God Mode. Go on, sit down, do the math, tell me it wouldn't be fun. I'm also waiting to see the FAQ to see the rules on applying Horrify to an enemy warlord, and then Mind War.

EDIT: IT IS NOT THE STAFF OF ULTRAMAR I AM A DERP. Amazing what a difference one letter can make. :|

 Avakael wrote:
I understand that Farseers will probably be dropped from the metagame, but please please please someone say that the Staff of Ulthamar still works the same way that it used to. I want to watch Eldrad activate Death Mission, and then proceed to activate God Mode. Go on, sit down, do the math, tell me it wouldn't be fun.

Nope, its s: user, ap3, fleshbane, force now. Jury is still out on whether you can activate a Force weapon while under the affects of Death Mission.

Damn, AP3. So enough to murder a lot of monstrous creatures, but not your average warlord.

Yeah, with Fleshbane and Force, you're going to kill everthing dead, till they're EW or have a 2+

Assuming its also strike at user initiative, which must 7