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**Ravenous D**

Sasori wrote:
Hah, I just realized I've been playing the serpent shield wrong. I thought it was once, period. Not once per turn, haha. I already thought serpents were good, now they are even better in my eyes.

Oh the serpent shield is brutal, I look forward to using it myself. I know some guys that win tournaments fairly often and said that the 4+ cover save on tau vehicles made them very difficult to get rid of, so I can safely assume that applies for Eldar as well. No worries about the defensive side of things, unless you go second.

Side notes:

I think its worth allying with the baron for the 70% chance to go first.

Eldrads Warlord ability is great for suicidal players, launch yourself across the board for the 3+ cover save (Jink, holo, flatout), use Eldrads power and its now 2+ cover save(Jink, holo, flatout, stealth),.

**DarknessEternal**

evildrspock wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Hah, I just realized I've been playing the serpent shield wrong. I thought it was once, period. Not once per turn, haha. I already thought serpents were good, now they are even better in my eyes.

They are the best thing in the new codex. They pretty much wreck any target on the board. Well, most.

Wreck? Not hardly.

Also, they die pretty easily.

**Ailideon**

PsycicSpaceElf wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
Im still thinking reapers with illric would be an optimal choice. Lot to like there.

I've tried it in two games now. It worked well. Always lot's of tempting targets upon arrival. Side and rear armours for the Reapers while the snipers went a'snipin. Illic being able to move and shoot while picking different targets was nice. This came into play as my opponent reacted to my tactics and brought units to try and deal with them. Being able to move around to maintain optimal cover and play keep away while still being able to shoot was cool. In my last game I outflanked 6 reapers with Illic and then brought in 6 pathfinders and 6 rangers. Very expensive but I killed all but one of my friends sky firing units with this combo while my autarch delayed the arrival of my crimson hunter.

The rangers gave cover to the pathfinders and the reapers with illic were behind them. The rangers were just there for bubble wrap but managed to pin an assault squad. huzzah!

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Sasori wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
Im still thinking reapers with illric would be an optimal choice. Lot to like there.

I don't feel Illic in any list, is really "Optimal" It may work, but I think he is a far cry from optimal.

Pretty sure he was saying that deploying him with reapers and outflanking is an optimal use for that character, not for a list in general. I agree with you that there are HQs that do more for your army but outflanking shrouded reapers is sweet and would be a pain for any army to deal with given the range of their weapons. You show up, picking a place far away from any immediate enemy response, hit a bunch of side/rear armour while Illic tries to take out important models.

haha, well it's fun at any rate.

I ran Illic with reapers behind an Aegis Defense Line with a Icarus las cannon. I felt bad with how much damage I put out. We rolled for night fighting and he went first. During my turn Illic shot with the icarrus at the command barge, I also ran Illic as my HQ to take his warlod trait to split fire. He was able to ignore NF due to the DR and ithe jink save given. Because he has such a high BS (and prefered enemy necrons) he can reroll with a 2+/3+. I penetrated and nuked it. My DR shot at the necron players jet bike models (forget what they are called.) Because of Illic prefered enemy my unit got to reroll to hit and wounds of 1. I decimated his 5 man unit.

I will say he is amazing vs necrons but I really don't think I would play him verse anything else.

**Farseer Faenyin**

Ravenous D wrote:
Sasori wrote:

Side notes:

I think its worth allying with the baron for the 70% chance to go first.

I find that I actually want to go second most of the time for the ability to deal with enemy flyers and take late game objectives.

**Mushkilla**

Below is a report from my most recent game against the new eldar (with pictures):

BR26: The Black Buzzards VS Eldar Mech - 1500pts

Hope that's useful.

**Oaka**

Sasori wrote:
Hah, I just realized I've been playing the serpent shield wrong. I thought it was once, period. Not once per turn, haha. I already thought serpents were good, now they are even better in my eyes.

When the rumors had it as a 60" weapon, I thought surely they meant 6". Nope, and with a BS4 Scatter Laser hitting first to give the D6+1 Strength 7, BS4 shots twin-linked, it's a fantastic weapon.

**shamikebab**

It does make the vehicle far more vulnerable to return fire next turn though.

**Sasori**

shamikebab wrote:
It does make the vehicle far more vulnerable to return fire next turn though.

You still get your cover save, but you are of course right. The key is to discharge it either at key targets that threaten your serpents, or just keep it on. Knowing now, that the shield regenerates is pretty big, for me. I was playing as if it were permanently lost!

**Uriels_Flame**

Mushkilla wrote:
Below is a report from my most recent game against the new eldar (with pictures):

BR26: The Black Buzzards VS Eldar Mech - 1500pts

Hope that's useful.

Thanks for that! I am now convinced Fire Prism/Falcon is the lower HS choice. I have read too many times about how it misses or loses its shot to cover.

I'm much more convinced the Night Spinner is the better choice. So now I'm really vexed as I'm a Wraithlord man, but find myself wanting to field two Spinners and Reapers....

**Sasori**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
Mushkilla wrote:
Below is a report from my most recent game against the new eldar (with pictures):

BR26: The Black Buzzards VS Eldar Mech - 1500pts

Hope that's useful.

Thanks for that! I am now convinced Fire Prism/Falcon is the lower HS choice. I have read too many times about how it misses or loses its shot to cover.

I'm much more convinced the Night Spinner is the better choice. So now I'm really vexed as I'm a Wraithlord man, but find myself wanting to field two Spinners and Reapers....

Have you considered WarWalkers?

**Uriels_Flame**

Oh yeah, but I can't fit them in...

Basically 4 choices for 3 slots...

WL/WW/NS/Reaper...

**Iron Father Mac**

Sounds like a request to include Farseer Bel-annath in an army. 3 slots, no we have 4 hs slots.

**xlEternitylx**

Iron Father Mac wrote:
Sounds like a request to include Farseer Bel-annath in an army. 3 slots, no we have 4 hs slots.

I'd rather have twin farseer support than a single extra HS slot myself. 4 guides a turn over a few extra shots seems like the better choice.

**Uriels_Flame**

Faeit 212 has an editorial today that may be of some importance. I can't wait to actually read the battle report!

**Tarrasq**

I wonder if there is any merit to spamming Terrify/Horrify. Eldar have the mobility to trap units, but even taking a unit out of position and possibly useless for the following turn is very useful.

Just imagine killing a death star, just because you gave it nowhere to go and it has to make morale checks (possibly multiple morale checks) on LD 7 without fearless. Get a Hemlock within 12" and they have to reroll the successful tests (not to mention it gives you another source of terrify and a couple decent, although short ranged, blast weapons).

Maybe fit it into a dedicated Iyanden list?

**MandalorynOranj**

It's not nearly reliable enough to try. Even with the max 10 Warlocks, on average you're only going to roll up one or two of any one power.

**Ravenous D**

Tarrasq wrote:
I wonder if there is any merit to spamming Terrify/Horrify. Eldar have the mobility to trap units, but even taking a unit out of position and possibly useless for the following turn is very useful.

Just imagine killing a death star, just because you gave it nowhere to go and it has to make morale checks (possibly multiple morale checks) on LD 7 without fearless. Get a Hemlock within 12" and they have to reroll the successful tests (not to mention it gives you another source of terrify and a couple decent, although short ranged, blast weapons).

Maybe fit it into a dedicated Iyanden list?

Major problem with the hemlock is that it has to be on the table for a turn before it has a chance to use its boo power, and unless you deploy it right on top of someone you wont make use of the ghost pods. It wont be until turn 3 that you can even try to use it. Not bad for doubles with psyker battle squads though, it would be pretty funny watching a hive tyrant book it off the table.

**FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs**

I am definately getting a wraithfighter, and the warlock council sounds fun!

Everything else eldar is going to be rangers or pathfinders!

My firewarriors might even get pulse carbines for a change!

Pinning space marines then giving them cover ignoring plasma is going to be fun!

**Tarrasq**

MandalorynOranj wrote:
It's not nearly reliable enough to try. Even with the max 10 Warlocks, on average you're only going to roll up one or two of any one power.

Now throw in 5 spirit seers that can attempt to get horrify and terrify. You only really need one or two horrifies, terrify is the real workhorse here. Running units off the board or trapping them is a bonus. Taking away fearless and throwing in fear is great for forcing people to play those units as normal units. Wont help against marines, then again Eldar handle marines just fine.

**CKO**

Ravenous D wrote:

Major problem with the hemlock is that it has to be on the table for a turn before it has a chance to use its boo power, and unless you deploy it right on top of someone you wont make use of the ghost pods. It wont be until turn 3 that you can even try to use it. Not bad for doubles with psyker battle squads though, it would be pretty funny watching a hive tyrant book it off the table.

According to the faq you get to choose the order of blessings and reserves coming in doesn't this apply to maledictions also?

**Ravenous D**

I was confused by that too, its not a matter of rolling reserves and moving it on, its whether you roll reserves and then do the powers for units already on the table.

Plus in the psyker section it spells it out pretty clear "no powers can be cast from reserve" page 67 I believe.

**MandalorynOranj**

Tarrasq wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:
It's not nearly reliable enough to try. Even with the max 10 Warlocks, on average you're only going to roll up one or two of any one power.

Now throw in 5 spirit seers that can attempt to get horrify and terrify. You only really need one or two horrifies, terrify is the real workhorse here. Running units off the board or trapping them is a bonus. Taking away fearless and throwing in fear is great for forcing people to play those units as normal units. Wont help against marines, then again Eldar handle marines just fine.

That's a lot of points for what basically comes down to a gimmick. 5 Spirit Seers and 10 Warlocks is 700 points before any upgrades, and that's 700 points that's not scoring or killing, and not always doing what you want them to do. I'd be interested to hear how it works out, but I don't see myself ever taking that kind of gamble.

**Tarrasq**

I dont mind the Hemlock not being able to cast terrify the turn it comes in. It can still shoot two AP 2 blasts almost to the other side of the short length of the board. Not to mention affecting morale checks in the midfield for the shooting and assault phases on the turn it comes in. Once it comes in, thanks to vector dancer, it stays in.

That's a lot of points for what basically comes down to a gimmick. 5 Spirit Seers and 10 Warlocks is 700 points before any upgrades, and that's 700 points that's not scoring or killing, and not always doing what you want them to do. I'd be interested to hear how it works out, but I don't see myself ever taking that kind of gamble.

Like I said the Horrify power is helpful but not essential. So I wouldn't take all 10 warlocks. The 5 spirit seers all in on telepathy is not exactly a waste of points. Puppet master, Hallucination, Terrify, Invisibility, Psychic Shriek and even Dominate are all fantastic powers, especially if you can throw out -3 LD occasionally.

**MandalorynOranj**

On a different note: I know you can't infiltrate non-infiltrators with an infiltrating character (ie Illic with Wraithguard), but can you do it the other way around, an infiltrating unit with a non-infiltrating character (ie Farseer with Striking Scorpions)?

**Ravenous D**

Negative, its under the infiltrate rule that it cannot be conferred to characters without the rule.

**Gangrel767**

I think it works for outflank though, right? Almost Useless, but still..

**Uriels_Flame**

Is Illric still an available HQ choice in the Iyanden book?

I may run him with the Spiritseerer council. Seems to be more to like there.

**MandalorynOranj**

Ravenous D wrote:
Negative, its under the infiltrate rule that it cannot be conferred to characters without the rule.

Ok, thanks!

**Ravenous D**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
Is Illric still an available HQ choice in the Iyanden book?

I may run him with the Spiritseerer council. Seems to be more to like there.

I am pretty curious how allies will work with this supplement, because 5 spirit seers in Dark Eldar or Tau can go a long way.

**Uriels_Flame**

Most all allies lists I've seen have either been Tau or Dark Eldar. Seem to work pretty well with each other. Either bringing more to the fight, or gaining better shooting units.