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Depends how GW goes about it, last time GW sold the bundles to LGSs and you could get a further discount. With GWs current state of mind I imagine its all direct only.

Partially correct. Some bundle deals were available through independent sellers and some were not. Some of the bundle Apocalypse deals had their own special boxes for retailing and of those some were available from independent sellers. Some deals were only at GW stores. Still other deals were direct only because they were just loose sprues in a shipping box. In other words, these were direct only because they had no retail style packaging with photos on it, GW just packed the appropriate sprues when the deal was ordered in a plain brown shipping box and sent it to you or your local GW store if you had it delivered there.

The bundle deals GW has sold the past couple Decembers have had dedicated retail packaging (i.e., attractive boxes with photos showing the contents) so that they can sit on a shelf in stores. If they go that route some of the deals may be available through independent sellers too. That's assuming they have any Apocalypse bundle deals this time around. Apocalypse deals began in October 2007 with Apocalypse version one release and ran through much of 2008, but there hasn't been anything like that since then. Who knows what's coming or not in July.

Thankfully I bought a ton of bundle deals then that not only bulked out existing armies, but made it economical to start new ones with new model releases years later (e.g., Necrons, Tau). Otherwise, there are a lot of hobby projects I never would have touched at all or they'd be a lot smaller given current prices. Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180! I bought three Linebreaker deals and have a full Linebreaker squadron for my Chaos Mariines, Dark Angels and custom Space Marine chapter. There are photos of two of them in my Dakka Gallery.

Hooray for three more buildings that will resolutely stay with the Imperium's aesthetic. We don't need no stinking xenos terrain. [/sarcasm]

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180!

Yeah, same with the armored interdiction force for Tau, that same bundle would cost $180 today. Just ridiculous...

Thanks for the rumour posts, guess I dont need to worry about this 'massive' release this month.

I might be interested in the Wall O' Dead Cadians add-ons, but I somehow doubt that GW will price it in a way to make it alluring. Doesn't sound like a complete pass from the rumors at least.

I can safely live without the Khornemower and the big Monolith, so unless that terrain is really awesome (possible, since I"m a heavy Imperial player) or they come back with some good bundles like the original Apocalypse my wallet will once again be bored.

For the best really, it's still reeling from buying lots of other models from other companies...

I expect each of these kits will have a suitably eye-watering price tag, and I especially feel that way about the rumoured giant terrain pieces.

Now that we've got the first £70 kit for normal 40K (Wraithknight) could this even mean Apocalypse-only kits are likely to get a price hike?

 Krinsath wrote:
I might be interested in the Wall O' Dead Cadians add-ons, but I somehow doubt that GW will price it in a way to make it alluring. Doesn't sound like a complete pass from the rumors at least.

Could we perhaps finally get rules for the existing Wall of Martyrs pieces?

 Crimson wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
I might be interested in the Wall O' Dead Cadians add-ons, but I somehow doubt that GW will price it in a way to make it alluring. Doesn't sound like a complete pass from the rumors at least.

Could we perhaps finally get rules for the existing Wall of Martyrs pieces?

+1 to Cover Save for every 25 Skulls up to a Maximum of 2++

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Unless cadian then it's 1 save penalty per 25 skulls, they need fresh meat for the wall after all

Actually, I wonder if these will be Apocalypse Fortifications.

Yeah I would guess apoc based terrain like a super duper bunker or something.

At least I will have a big ass game to look forward to next month. Just as long as this time mine and everyone elses (at my area of the game) all infantry army doesnt get put up against titans, baneblades and a ton of vehicles.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Yeah I would guess apoc based terrain like a super duper bunker or something.

Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but...isn't that what the Fortress of Redemption is (or should be)?

If they release a gigantic Imperial fortress, I am so buying it.

And I will call it Greyskull.
Because you just know it will have a skull.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If they release a gigantic Imperial fortress, I am so buying it.

And I will call it Greyskull.
Because you just know it will have a skull.

Awesome. All you'd need is a suitably painted marauder statue out front and you'd be all set!

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Will there be some discount packages for multiple tanks etc? How is Apocalypse a big release if all they do is release 2 models and one book that tells people to make up their own rules?

That's what I'd like to know. The first release of Apocalypse only introduced the baneblade IIRC, but we got all the bundles to go with it (three tanks for $90, woo). If all we get this time around are two "big" kits and some "big" terrain kits that honestly sound like they might be too impractical for regular games (like the stupid fortress), then this release sounds like it's going to be pretty weak. Two whole armies actually get models to buy, holy gak.

They've got to do something to make an impact. The release date is no coincidence to me, as GW is obviously very much aware of much of their fanbase being diverted to other companies, PP's release of the Convergence of Cyriss is 3 days earlier. Apocalypse last time around was marketed towards the long-term fans of the game: "Look now you can use your whole collection". A good way to get a few good graces is to re-release those bundle deals from the first Apocalypse release IMO.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Will there be some discount packages for multiple tanks etc? How is Apocalypse a big release if all they do is release 2 models and one book that tells people to make up their own rules?

That's what I'd like to know. The first release of Apocalypse only introduced the baneblade IIRC, but we got all the bundles to go with it (three tanks for $90, woo). If all we get this time around are two "big" kits and some "big" terrain kits that honestly sound like they might be too impractical for regular games (like the stupid fortress), then this release sounds like it's going to be pretty weak. Two whole armies actually get models to buy, holy gak.

They've got to do something to make an impact. The release date is no coincidence to me, as GW is obviously very much aware of much of their fanbase being diverted to other companies, PP's release of the Convergence of Cyriss is 3 days earlier. Apocalypse last time around was marketed towards the long-term fans of the game: "Look now you can use your whole collection". A good way to get a few good graces is to re-release those bundle deals from the first Apocalypse release IMO.

I think you're reading far too much into the release date.
They've been doing the whole "preorders during the first week of a month, releases during the second week of a month" thing for long enough that it really should be well-known at this point.

The first Saturday of July is the 6th(rumored time for preorders) the second Saturday of July is the 13th(rumored release).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Will there be some discount packages for multiple tanks etc? How is Apocalypse a big release if all they do is release 2 models and one book that tells people to make up their own rules?

That's what I'd like to know. The first release of Apocalypse only introduced the baneblade IIRC, but we got all the bundles to go with it (three tanks for $90, woo). If all we get this time around are two "big" kits and some "big" terrain kits that honestly sound like they might be too impractical for regular games (like the stupid fortress), then this release sounds like it's going to be pretty weak. Two whole armies actually get models to buy, holy gak.

They've got to do something to make an impact. The release date is no coincidence to me, as GW is obviously very much aware of much of their fanbase being diverted to other companies, PP's release of the Convergence of Cyriss is 3 days earlier. Apocalypse last time around was marketed towards the long-term fans of the game: "Look now you can use your whole collection". A good way to get a few good graces is to re-release those bundle deals from the first Apocalypse release IMO.

I think you're reading far too much into the release date.
They've been doing the whole "preorders during the first week of a month, releases during the second week of a month" thing for long enough that it really should be well-known at this point.

The first Saturday of July is the 6th(rumored time for preorders) the second Saturday of July is the 13th(rumored release).

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 Kroothawk wrote:

BramGaunt over at Warseer wrote:So, a birdy just chirped in and told me what to expect next month.

1st: There is a new rulebook, if anyone still questioned that. Complete overhaul. The scale of additional shenanigans will be the same as with a regular rulebook, as well as limited items. Probably a collectors- and a gamers edition aswell (allthough I am only guessing that!).

2nd: The kits we have seen so far cover all the miniatures there will be for now (Khorne "Skulldozer" and Necron "Monolith of Doom + 2D6"). However, there are three new pieces of terrain, which apperantly are of apocalyptic size. A different source told me of a 'commad citadel' behind which the Wraithknight could easily hide.

3rd: Releasedate is the 13th of July, with Preorders starting the 29th (with the new WD, as usual). This is GW's big release this year.

Best_Pone over at Warseer wrote:Let's see now...
You've already seen the Chaos and Necron superheavies.
You'll also get some fortifications - giant gun/missile emplacements and the like. These are also designed to hook up with the Wall of Martyrs terrain.
As well as the Apocalypse rulebook, there's also a collector's edition and a gamer's edition.

Seems to be (strangely, for GW.) a 2 week preorder window (maybe also to cope with the 4th July weekend). I still say GW are acutely aware that companies like PP are siphoning there customer base. Apoc was marketed towards their older market last time around and I don't see how this aspect will change. What better to make some people who are on the fence to spend their budget on GW stuff rather than their biggest rival's (arguably) biggest release of the year so far?

 Sidstyler wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180!

Yeah, same with the armored interdiction force for Tau, that same bundle would cost $180 today. Just ridiculous...

Remember them Chaos Spawn boxes? 10 Spawn and 10 Chaos Marines for $110. I don't even want to concider the cost nowadays!

 DeffDred wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180!

Yeah, same with the armored interdiction force for Tau, that same bundle would cost $180 today. Just ridiculous...

Remember them Chaos Spawn boxes? 10 Spawn and 10 Chaos Marines for $110. I don't even want to concider the cost nowadays!

That box was awesome. The bits from it lasted (literally) for years.

GW, just redo the Tau box with the tons of Crisis suits and we'll talk.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If they release a gigantic Imperial fortress, I am so buying it.

And I will call it Greyskull.
Because you just know it will be a skull.

Fixed!

 Sidstyler wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180!

Yeah, same with the armored interdiction force for Tau, that same bundle would cost $180 today. Just ridiculous...

Totally inline with inflation because of minimum wage or something... this great news!

It is indeed a 2 week preorder period. They do it sometimes, for major rulebooks, starters, and some big terrain like the wall of martyrs.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If they release a gigantic Imperial fortress, I am so buying it.

And I will call it Greyskull.
Because you just know it will have a BAJILLION SKULLZZ.

Fixed that for ya.

-C6


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Opps, kinda ninja-ed by Azreal...

Lets just assume it will be a skull made out of smaller skulls and call it a draw?

 azreal13 wrote:
Lets just assume it will be a skull made out of smaller skulls and call it a draw?

This just in! I've found an image of the aforementioned terrain piece!

 Grimtuff wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Linebreakers (three Vindicators with both Imperial and Chaos hatch sprues) were $95 US. Three Vindicators now is nearly $180!

Yeah, same with the armored interdiction force for Tau, that same bundle would cost $180 today. Just ridiculous...

Remember them Chaos Spawn boxes? 10 Spawn and 10 Chaos Marines for $110. I don't even want to concider the cost nowadays!

That box was awesome. The bits from it lasted (literally) for years.

GW, just redo the Tau box with the tons of Crisis suits and we'll talk.

Edited due to misunderstanding, still more than double.

I think he means you got 10 Spawn and 10 Chaos Marines - not sets of them lol

Yeah, I got the Linebreaker squad back in the day. Don't regret it even a bit.

In fact, I regret not getting the Battle Company when I had the chance.

10 spawn and 10 marines is now $240, god I hope they do these deals again, GW might be shocked with the amount of money they could make by providing discounts.

Edit: Confused why no rumours have commented on this.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
10 spawn and 10 marines is now $240, god I hope they do these deals again, GW might be shocked with the amount of money they could make by providing discounts.

Edit: Confused why no rumours have commented on this.

Well, they've been doing squadrons of bikes and small vehicles recently as well. Right now you can get 3 bikes for $40 instead of $45, 3 Vypers or War Walkers for $75 instead of $90, and another deal or two here and there. Nothing quite on the scale of the old Apocalypse boxes, but hey, a deal's a deal.