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So, ive always wondered, Why cant Tervigons spawn hormagaunts? Do you think the 2014 Tyranid Update should include this? or Would it be way too overpowered? I mostly see terms and horms as equal, Hormagaunts are my favoured unit personally but Terms have ranged and so balance the argument out. A lot of people I play with also see them as equals, so why can't tervigons spawn Hormies? However, I play Marines as my main army, and haven't had many games as tyranids, and I freaking suck at the current point in time with them, so if im being a complete noob by asking this, and im missing something, just tell me straight :L

P.S. Sorry if this has already been discussed, i'd imagine it has but I haven't come across it yet!!
Also, added the poll to make this fit better into YMDC.

I don't know if this is right for YMDC. There's not contest that a Tervigon can't spawn Hormies.

As far as proposed rules go though, that is one of the things I hope for the most next codex, because Hormagaunts are my favored unit in the Tyranid army. Unfortunately, I leave them behind for competitive purposes.

Ahh, sorry about that, still kinda new, wasn't sure where I should put this. But yeah, I think in the 2014 Tyranid update they should add this, id even be happy with paying a few extra points for the ability to spawn them with a tervigon, say a new bio that lets them spew out hormagaunts instead of termagants for an extra 20pts or so. Just a quick question, do you see Hormagaunts and Termagants as equally as good as eachother? or do you think point for point one of them is better? I haven't had many games yet, but for my style of play I much prefer the hormagaunts, Termagants ranged attacks are nice and all, but they seem to just be a meat shield for me, whereas hormagaunts are the same, a bullet blocker, but they can also shine if they get into CC. Ive killed full squads of marines with a group of 20 Hormagaunts before after getting the assault, cant say the same for Termagaunts. (never tried them with devourers though and everyone at my LGS and the friends I play with praise them so much with devourers.)


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Changed it up a bit to better suit YMDC, still doesn't fit so much but wasn't sure where to put it, now atleast theres a poll so people can make a call! haha

This should be in 40k discussions methinks

if anyone has the ability to put it in the 40k discussion please do and sorry for being a nuisance haha

Points for points, Termagants are far superior purely because of how ell they go with Tervigons. If you aren't taking those, then its much closer, but Id say gants still win out slightly due to being so much cheaper.

Considering fluff, there's no reason to add Hormagaunts to what a Tervigon can spawn.

Hormagaunts have their own method of reproduction (they actually lay eggs, which hatch and lay their own eggs). Hormagaunts should get something to represent this - maybe something like the old Forgeworld Brood Nest.

But adding them to the Tervigon? No. Tervigons were made specifically to have synergy with Termagants.

oooh, thanks Loki, learn something new every day well maybe we'll get something similar as you say, but thanks for the update on the fluff wasn't aware of that.

I'd just like to add, all those huge hormie talons would just rupture mama's baby sack, as full as it is

Looking at the model, I don't think the Tervigon is worried about that. Termagants already have to tear their way out.

No, because them GW won't be able to make a new kit for us.. The Horvigon.

Eldercaveman wrote:
No, because them GW won't be able to make a new kit for us.. The Horvigon.

Won't happen. Like, at all.

Most likely, nothing will be added to support Hormagaunts.

Not really for it because the tervigon concept itself is a bit daft for starters. Just because GW does something silly there is no need to compound it with more silliness, which seems to be the way so many trends germinate lately.

In fact we toned down our tervigons a bit (among a myriad of other tweaks) so they weren't such no-brainers.

 -Loki- wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
No, because them GW won't be able to make a new kit for us.. The Horvigon.

Won't happen. Like, at all.

Most likely, nothing will be added to support Hormagaunts.

Sorry, I think my sarcasm was lost in cyber space

 -Loki- wrote:
Considering fluff, there's no reason to add Hormagaunts to what a Tervigon can spawn.

Hormagaunts have their own method of reproduction (they actually lay eggs, which hatch and lay their own eggs). Hormagaunts should get something to represent this - maybe something like the old Forgeworld Brood Nest.

But adding them to the Tervigon? No. Tervigons were made specifically to have synergy with Termagants.

This was my thinking as well. However, id still be interested to see a way to spawn Horm's from something (like the brood nest). If not, a reduction in the cost of TS and AG on Hormagaunts (1pt for each upgrade) would be great!

Hormagaunts look awesome and menacing, while Termagaunts look stupid. So yes, Tervigon (Horvigon?) should be able to span them. (Spawning rates are a bit silly though, so those should be toned down for both types of gaunts.)

 Crimson wrote:
Hormagaunts look awesome and menacing, while Termagaunts look stupid. So yes, Tervigon (Horvigon?) should be able to span them. (Spawning rates are a bit silly though, so those should be toned down for both types of gaunts.)

A lot of things in the gant/gaunt/Tervie fluff say this can't and won't ever happen though. But, I would like to see a new unit that spawns them (maybe a brood nest of some sorts, a stationary unit that spawns Hormagaunts)

There should be only one thing: Tervigons spawning Tervigons. xD

Just give them without number like they had in 4th

Remove tervigon, better idea. Without Number did a far, far better job of fluff-rules translation and i dont have to deal with that abomination they call the tervigon. At least with the way things have been going now the 6th nid codex will nerf tervigons into nearly-unusable areas, which i can deal with.

Hormigaunts have layed eggs under ground for ages now. it made the swarm much, much harder to kill since all of a sudden new gaunts can pop up in places that the enemy thought were wiped clean.

Hmmm. I think hormagaunts would out run their tervigons and lose the brood buffs that they would get from mommy. i actually dont mind their not being able to spawn hormagaunts. tervigon x3 as troops list is pretty good. got me 3rd place in a tournament a few months ago. people that beat me were grey knights. so of course i lost to them. Id like to see the nid queen thats hinted at in the codex. being able to spawn carnifexes and tervigons. now that would be interesting.

could you possibly have made your point with a single exclimation mark? no? okay.

A tervigon shouldn't be able to spawn hormagaunts. Hormagaunts have their own life cycle, as do Termagaunts but Tervigons are supplementary to it and are clearly designed to complement the Termagaunt and nothing but the Termagaunt.

I would be open to a Hormagaunt spawning monstrous creature though, but it would need some changes from the Tervigon to better complement it's brood.

Rippers could also do with spawning units much like Necron Scarabs do with Spyders, which are so much better it's ridiculous.

Come to think of it, hordey Tyranid units in general should have at least one spawner type unit. Luckily only Gargoyles, Rippers, Termagaunts, and Hormagaunts would really fit that bill. Yes genestealers can also be deployed in big broods but the genestealer life cycle would make such a unit irrational and silly. Raveners, Shrikes, and Warriors would be a stretch to make spawnable and I'd honestly say no they shouldn't be unless the spawner was an apoc only gargantuan creature.

I'd be down with 4 MC's, each one with the power to spawn something, but only if the MC was just basically a big version of them that gives you more incentive to charge em down the enemy's throat rather than sit back and spawn.

Also i think hormagaunts are awesome but need to change one thing, give them the ability to run and assault. Then people would actually take them. I mean, i know i would

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
could you possibly have made your point with a single exclimation mark? no? okay.

Someone having a bad day? I was only after a bit of banter.. nice contribution to the post though, next time ill use less, just for you..

 -Loki- wrote:
Considering fluff, there's no reason to add Hormagaunts to what a Tervigon can spawn.

Hormagaunts have their own method of reproduction (they actually lay eggs, which hatch and lay their own eggs). Hormagaunts should get something to represent this - maybe something like the old Forgeworld Brood Nest.

But adding them to the Tervigon? No. Tervigons were made specifically to have synergy with Termagants.

I've seen you bring this up in other threads Loki, and every time I see it I like it a little more.

It would even be fairly simple to implement.

For each brood of Hormagaunts you take, you may also purchase one Brood Nest at (let's say) 60 points. A static "creature" with reasonable toughness and wounds, maybe Regenerate to represent the fact that it is living terrain and some interesting deployment rule (maybe anywhere inside the Tyranid deployment zone, or alternatively inside any terrain piece that is at least 6" from the enemy deployment zone?). Rules would be simple; if a Hormagaunt brood is destroyed (or reduced to 25% strength or less, at which point the Tyranid player may remove it) then an identical brood with a few fewer models is spawned from the Brood Nest at the start of the next Tyranid turn (in the same way a Tervigon spawns, allowing them to act normally). The Brood Nest might also confer Fearless/Rage etc on nearby Hormagaunts so they defend their hive.

It doesn't do anything offensive itself, but it allow you to respawn your Hormagaunts increasing that "without number" feel and would make for an interesting mechanic.

Termagaunts can shoot. Hormagaunts can not. GW has an enormous hard-on for making everything, including your bloodthirsty bugs, go shooty or go home.

So no, no Hormagaunts for you. If da boyz have to go shooty then so do you...

Can we all please stop saying Termagaunts! They are TermaGANTS.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Can we all please stop saying Termagaunts! They are TermaGANTS.

Ive never understand why they are hormaGAUNTS and termaGANTS, would have thought they would both be the same, always confuses me!
Anyone know why? is it something to do with grammar or am I just being naïve trying to make a connection between the two units when there shouldn't be one?

Ive never understand why they are hormaGAUNTS and termaGANTS, would have thought they would both be the same, always confuses me!
Anyone know why? is it something to do with grammar or am I just being naïve trying to make a connection between the two units when there shouldn't be one?

This confuses me too. I always pronounce the last syllable the same way.

Interestingly enough, IIRC the codex entry for termagants calls them "a strain of gaunt" or "a species of gaunt" or something to that effect.

To bring things back on topic a little though, I quite like this idea of a brood nest. Maybe even give it some basic weapons like a spod so it can defend itself?